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Quote from Leaga >>

To all those complaining about how few Witchwood cards are in these decks: 

First, one of these only runs one new card and yet is a completely new style of deck. Never have we been able to flood the board the way odd paladin does. One new card spawned an entire archetype and revived cards that haven't seen meta play since beta (ie Sword of Justice, Stormwind Champion). That's a much bigger impact than you are giving it credit for.

Second, of course mostly refined decks that only sub a few new cards are going to be top for the first weekend because, and lets see if you can track the logic on this, the decks are already mostly refined. Just because these are the best decks for the first few days does not mean they are the best decks. It means that they were the easiest to optimize. Which totally makes sense if you think critically for 5 freakin seconds. A deck with a lot of new cards needs a lot of experimenting and refinement before it will perform well. A deck without a lot of new cards doesn't. Shocker.

Third, lets look at some cards that haven't seen meta play in the last year and are in the above lists because of WW: Mindbreaker, (post-nerf) Bonemare, Psychic Scream in Spiteful Priest, Tortollan Shellraiser, Archmage Antonidas in a non-combo deck, Breath of Sindragosa, Ironbeak Owl, Blessing of Might, Light's Justice, and the aforementioned Sword of Justice and Stormwind Champion. Most of those aren't just in the lists because of rotation. They are meta calls adapting to the strengths of the new decks.

 

The above decks "only" containing 10 new cards is the worst measuring stick for the impact WItchwood has had over the last 4 days. Think critically for a minute and you might be able to figure that out for yourself.

Quote from YJHS2000 >>

Don't think this guy has even played in the first week of a new expansion before. Give it a week. Then watch the stale meta threads start. The longest shifting meta I can remember was Ungoro. In fact, all classes but warlock saw pretty regular/even play until KFT hit. There were even multiple archetypes in many classes. I don't see that happening here. Warrior is a joke. Druid is pretty much dead. Control Paladin is completely dead. Shaman has 1 meme deck. Pre-WW warlock, Paladin, priest, mage and Rogue decks (with some slight tweaks) are still better than anything new. Face hunter is always good in the first week when people are trying new decks, but then fades as it can't keep up with refinement. 

Quote from GGGodGiven >>

... I have a different question ... what happens if you are a rogue who steals and plays shudderwock and then you play tess ....

Does it actually create an infinite loop ? Because tess plays cards from different classes, so it plays shudderwock, who plays the battlecries you had which means that inlcudes tess, so the new battlecry of the shudderwocked tess goess off and plays shudderwock, who repeats the battlecries .... ugh I am confused. And OP's actual example might show why cards like shudderwock and tess (i know its not breaking the meta or anything but could still lead to ******** stuff) need to be carefully tested and designed :(

may read first post again...

what i find really interesting is, that you can tech really well atm if you have certain problems with decks. Mindbreaker and Big Game Hunter , so as Silence and weapon removal are all really solid options!

That is what makes deckbuilding really interesting - and it can help very well diversing average from good players, and thats always nice to have in a game like that

Quote from birmill_gnurgleuh >>

I agree I see of looot of different things. Very often I'm surprised by what the opponent plays. I see a Paladin and I'm like "oh probably Baku" and then no, neither Baku or Genn. I've started to see Odd Rogues yesterday and it was a surprise. I even saw quite a few Even Mages, some Baku non-quest Warrior... Anyway, lots of things, that's pretty cool. It feels way more diverse than the early days of previous expansions, and I feel like there's still a lot of undiscovered decks and everything I try seems at a decent powerlevel compared to other decks (since yesterday I play Elemental Shaman and I have a very good winrate with it around 500-1000 legend).

Two things : I'm disappointed that so many people are still playing Cubelock. I mean waw man there's so many possibilities, how can you play the exact same deck everyone was already playing for 4 months ? It's beyond me, and it's not like the deck is way OP, I've been destroying it with Hadronox Druid and Elemental Shaman ahah. People have absolutely 0 imagination and play this until they can see what deck is 53% winrate when every other deck is only at 50% to spam this deck like tards. Whatever, keep coming at me giving me free ranks and boring games...

Second thing Baku aggro decks. I feel like they are sooo overhyped right now. They are good at hunting unrefined combo/control decks with their face plan but that's it. They seem so weak to me. Odd hunter in particular is such a shitty deck I do't understand why people play this. Odd rogue the same, it's sooo bad it amazes me that people find these deck either strong or interesting. Baku Paladin is the only one that seem kind of strong but it loses so hard to any good control deck ; it loses very hard even to midrange decks if you don't draw level up.

I think a lot of decks have potential (Control Warrior, Midrange Shaman, Hadronox Druid) but people seem to only like Baku ******** face decks xD so sad. Hopefully I still find a lot of people trying new things but in a week or two ? We'll see.

Quote from GeneralMaximusDM >>

This is the worst meta ever, that's my opinion

Why ? The point of a rotation is to make the meta fresher

Right now near legend (Ranks 4-1 ) The only decks I face : Cubelock, Aggro Paladins ( Odd or Even) and Spiteful Decks

THE EXACT SAME META .

This rotation  was a failure

Boys and Grils!
I don't know what to say, but THANK YOU BLIZZARD! Afteer 1,5 years of very weird metas where only 3-5decks where really viable...

The Witchwood is sooo good as an expansion... Letz see what we got after 4 days of playtesting:

--> Classic Cards which havent been used since ages now see play again (Ironbeak Owl, Stormwind Champion, Raid Leader etc.)
--> I had never so much fun and actually think about how to tech my decks since 3 years... we see Mindbreaker, Big Game Hunter, Spellbreaker, The Black Knight, Harrison Jones, Acidic Swamp Ooze, Gluttonous Ooze, and much more stuff
--> Literally the Odd/Even design brought so many new and old cards back into the game, which is really cool, and it totally changes the way a game plays out imho
--> tested 8 out of 9 classes (only Mage missing) and really every class seems playable to a certain distinct, although it looks like Priest and Shaman get some Problems
--> But even them have something to go for - which was kinda missing in last expansions

--> We finally get the Golden CardGame Cycle going again: CONTROL Beats AGGRO beats COMBO beats CONTROL... and so on...
--> and even MIDRANGE somewhere in between will find its place , im sure!



What are your Opinions?

I really dont get tired of testing some new stuff, and it really looks like every "CANCER" can be countered  by another deck type - thats really cool!
Possible most consistent is Cubelock but hey, thats just because it has the most strongest cards for now - But rogue destroys even that :D

man the longer i play, the more i wanna add a second Big Game Hunter... so many spiteful and mountain giants.. i loose to nothing else (bad draw luck)

Ok Guys!

I changed the list also a little now - added the 2 x Hungry Ettin's and 2x Rotten Applebaum

also added  Harrison Jones and 1x Big Game Hunter to get sth vs Cubelock skull and Mountain Giant , as finisher i put in Cenarius, since hes super value with the buff and also can be a livesaver, far more viable then Ultimate Infestation

BGH is probably a tech spot, where you can add other stuff - but hes also really good vs Spiteful Summoner pulls and Edwin VanCleef gone wild or sth...

removed: 2x Grizzled Guardian, 2x Witchwood Grizzly, 1x Ultimate Infestation, 2x Astral Tiger

Add: 2x Rotten Applebaum, 2x Hungry Ettin, 1x Cenarius, 1x Big Game Hunter, 1x Harrison Jones

Gimme your Feedbacks Bois! :)

Why no Spirit Echo? Returns Frogs to hands!

i made some minor changes and it works fine - just added Armorsmith, 1 brawl

removed mountainfires and 1 slam

man either i draw really bad or my enemies topdecking as fuck... i have the feeling that we need more whirlwind and or armorsmith

ok so after some testing - the deck is really nice - but you have literally 0% chance to win vs Cubelock, which is probably not a good idea in the meta :-/

another question - have you tested Carnivorous Cube as a one of?

Why is there no Malfurion the Pestilent in the deck?