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Here's a comprehensive list of all the cards that are (or might be) affected by the update to the Discover and random card generation mechanics. I figured I'd take the time to sort through all the cards in case someone (like myself) wanted a sort of tactile reference. This has taken quite some time to sort through so I hope you like it!

Interesting notes:

• Mean Streets of Gadgetzan Tri-class cards are placed in the Neutral section and next to each-other regardless of cost
• Primalfin Lookout has been nerfed with this update and this also currently affects Battlegrounds
• Many of the Rogue cards listed are only affected in the Rogue vs. Rogue match-up for card texts that state "opponent's class" rather than "another class"
• I'm not 100% sure on cards like Steeldancer and Sneed's Old Shredder as they are summoning minions rather than generating actual cards
• Similarly with Arch-Villain Rafaam but he may have already excluded himself anyways, does anyone know?

Standard

Demon Hunter

(none)

Druid

Nature Studies, Emerald Explorer

Hunter

Primordial Explorer, Marked Shot

Mage

Arcane Breath, Evocation, Magic Trick, Tome of Intellect, Dune Sculptor, Messenger Raven, Azure Explorer, Jandice Barov, Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron

Paladin

Bronze Explorer, Lightforged Crusader

Priest

Disciple of Galakrond, Renew

Rogue

Steeldancer, Jandice Barov

Shaman

Underbelly Angler

Warlock

Twisted Knowledge, Arch-Villain Rafaam

Warrior

Sky Raider, Frightened Flunky, Steeldancer 

Neutral

Jar Dealer, Brightwing, King Phaoris

Wild

Druid

Raven Idol

Hunter

Jeweled Macaw, Webspinner, Ball of Spiders

Mage

Lesser Ruby Spellstone, Primordial Glyph, Blast Wave, Cabalist's Tome, Toki, Time-Tinker, Astromancer

Paladin

 Murloc Knight, Prince Liam

Priest

 Confessor Paletress

Rogue

Undercity Huckster, Pick Pocket, Blink Fox, Burgle, Face Collector, Shaku, the Collector, Academic Espionage, Gurubashi Hypemon

Shaman

 Finders Keepers, Menacing Nimbus, Haunting Visions

Warlock

(none)

Warrior

(none)

Neutral

Gravelsnout Knight, Grimestreet Informant, Kabal Courier, Lotus Agents, Primalfin Lookout, Stonehill Defender, Griftah, Spiteful Summoner (but who uses 6-cost spells with her anyways), Sneed's Old Shredder

A win condition against priest should be run them out of 'stuff' but right now with Galakrond and other steal/Mind Control effects it becomes a game of you vs. yourself with some of the best control cards sprinkled in to take any advantage away you may have had. Even if you play Archivist Elysiana there's a chance they can steal it with Thoughtsteal or something and ruin a large portion of your win condition.

Additionally, they have extreme importance in killing their minions due to the amount of buffs and win-more cards they have when ahead at all, just like Divine Spirit Inner Fire days, but less power spiky. Either give other classes more tools on the same power level or tone Priest down a little bit.

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Lightning Bloom to "Refresh two mana crystals" still with the Overload (2) that way the insane combos (I'm guessing it was intended for such) can still exist but not ramp much.
Argent Braggart to 3 mana
Sorcerer's Apprentice will read "Cards cannot be reduced to less than one (1)"
Hand of A'dal to "+2/+1"
Kael'thas Sunstrider to third spell costs (1)
Secret Passage to cost 2 or 3 or reduce amount of cards to 4

Or probably bring old cards back that were considered "problematic"
Spellbreaker

Or rotate some older expansions here and there similar to that event we had last year.

 I like the refresh take on Lightning Bloom. Apprentice is a new one and seems reasonable but maybe not necessary yet. Not sure if rogue is good enough to warrant a Secret Passage nerf right now, but it may 'limit design space' as Blizz would say. Spellbreaker can stay in HOF. If you wanna silence things play Priest, or now Demon Hunter I guess.

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You finding something boring is purely subjective and doesn't indicate anything is broken. What indicates whether something is broken or not is highlighted in win rates that are higher than they should be as well as a lack of counter to the cards or deck. There are decks that can counter druid nicely, it isn't broken. I expect they will want a slightly higher data sample to assess if it needs toning down a bit and the sample will indicate what it is that needs toning down. 

This community seems to have a real struggle with words and what they mean. Terms like broken and OP are used so often and so often I correctly that it just an inconsistent mess of various people complaining about something they personally find bad. You can't physically manage a business like that, you would be making changes daily as well as reverting changes because almost anytime you do change something, there will be happy people and there will be unhappy people. You need to weigh it up and go for the best solution for the masses. 

 Terms of broken and OP are used often because the game is indeed unbalanced, it's their new philosophy make everything broken to nerfs later, it is not news to anyone , we all know that.

People are right to complain.

 In the words of Kibler, why does everyone jump to the conclusion that new cards are needing nerfs rather than 'how can I beat this'. 

I think we need to spend more time making our own deck with our own ideas rather than net-decking the first week of every expansion and yelling "Uncle" when something starts winning more that you expected.

I wish we can just say we're disappointed in humanity. Every gaming community has some levels of toxicity that were never seen just a few years ago. Racism, while slowly fading, is still present and real. We're not keeping up with how our friends and families are doing and everyone's mental health is suffering because of it (even if not plainly noticeable). 

It's much harder to realize something is missing in comparison to something in the way unless you've been there before. (a pro gamer watching a novice would instantly see misplays or something small like positioning mistakes). The same way we struggle to have certain information available to clients in my line of work and a feeling of emptiness that you suddenly realize after so long not realizing it was there.

I'm going to try the best I can to bring positivism in every aspect of my life from now on, at work, home, or here in my free time. Hopefully it can spread, maybe starting with you, and with that, I hope you all have a good night and wake up well in the morning :)

 that's weird. You drew a 3 mana Secret after the Medivh's Valet. I wonder if the Forgotten Torch Shuffle messed up the Polkelt effect? or maybe 'Shuffle' in HS actually means 'reorder the cards in your deck'.

I want to say a variant of Miracle Rogue myself, but I wasn't around in the Patron Warrior days. YOu id say standard, so Trump made a good Control Warrior and I still like to experiment with Miracle Rogue and Whirlkick Master, but it's all up to you and your dust bank.

They had a fraction of the current design team at the time, so the creative capacity has expanded. Sure, it means you need to open more packs for all the cards, but the just made the most massive change ever by expanding the no-duplicates to all rarities. The person complaining about wanting dust up above? You got that dust previously from duplicate commons and rares, maybe an epic or two. 

Also, to anyone who thinks Hearthstone is expensive: you have never played a Mobile Hero RPG long enough to count. There's millionaires that are popular for playing those sorts of games. Poker players, business men, whatever, they still don't have the whole collection of heroes or whatever and they dump THOUSANDS of dollars a MONTH into those games. 

Enjoy Hearthstone for what it is, and what it's becoming. Not what you think it should be. Sure, you can join the development team and prove me wrong, but then why are you wasting time in a non-official form like this? Go to Twitter and talk to the Hearthstone team that's active there. Get your business or digital art degree, make something happen in the world of Hearthstone, then you can talk like you own the game.

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As a rogue player I will be happy to trade the awful Sprint for a half decent healing or mass removal...

Nicu, lets trade Sprint with Radiance

 Deal. Healing and Combo activation? I'll take it.

A lot of animations in the game could be sped up. Mostly shuffling animations for the Prime cards and Togwaggle's Scheme take the longest.

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I've been so interested in making Whirlkick Master work for the longest time. I enjoy this deck a lot.

Murlocs really need to get toned down, every lobby now is literally who can get more/ better murlocs and just roll everyone else. It can go 2 ways: either like 5-6 people has murlocs so none of them get a good build rolling and end up getting knocked early or there are a lot of murloc builds but one dude lucks out and gets a bunch of good murlocs and a brann and ends up crushing the lobby.

I would also like if they somehow fix the match making while on games. What I mean is that there have been times where I face a strong dude like 2 times in 3-4 games and end up taking insane damage. I think it would overall be a healthier game mode if the top 4 guys kept facing each other and the bottom 4 did the same and maybe every 2 or 3 turns you can get a random battle against anyone or something like that, cause I've been in the gutter, one of those games where you can't really find a good build and I just keep getting the top guys which just makes me take more and more damage but I understand that change will probably never come. I do think that the match making issue should definitely get fixed tho.

Just use Lorekeeper Polkelt and then Far Sight, instant 6 mana Maly :D

If Lady Vashj has died, then Vashj Prime is your next draw. 

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Quote from Likafoss >>

A win condition against priest should be run them out of 'stuff' but right now with Galakrond and other steal/Mind Control effects it becomes a game of you vs. yourself with some of the best control cards sprinkled in to take any advantage away you may have had. Even if you play Archivist Elysiana there's a chance they can steal it with Thoughtsteal or something and ruin a large portion of your win condition.

Additionally, they have extreme importance in killing their minions due to the amount of buffs and win-more cards they have when ahead at all, just like Divine Spirit Inner Fire days, but less power spiky. Either give other classes more tools on the same power level or tone Priest down a little bit.

 You want to give other classes the tools to go late game with a priest when that is literally all that priest has, The worst class if you want to play the aggro game, A subpar paladin if you want to play the buff midrange game, As a priest main i actually hate the way priest is right now where your win condition is to literally steal your opponents cards or out value them purely with Galakrond, The class seems to have one indetity right now and that is to just frustrate every opponent and nothing else, It is'nt a aggro class, It is'nt a midrange class, Hell its not even a late game class it is literally a steal class with a RNG Galakrond thrown in to make sure you win the value game.

Even the dual class cards printed show that perfectly, Warlock/Priest......No its Warlock cards that priests can play it just feels like cards stolen from a warlock they were not designed for both classes they were designed for Warlocks, Paladin/Priest again no not at all they are Paladin cards that priest just happens to have access to but cards that are clearly designed to fit into paladin decks and not priests, Even when not stealing cards it feels like just using cards stolen from warlocks and paladins.

As a priest player when i'm making a deck i always find myself wondering "What is my win condition" its a easy question for all other classes/decks but when it comes to priest each and every time the answer remains the same........Survive, That is all priest can do is survive to win its not fun to play and its not fun to play against but that is where priest is right now but as a priest main i still play it because thats my class.

That being said priest Galakronds infinite value game is a mistake you would have thought Blizzard would have learned their lesson from Rexxar and Dr Boom but they went and did the exact same thing again, Hopefully its the last time we Blizzard make that same stupid mistake but i would'nt bet on it.

''Discover cards can no longer Discover themselves.'' This has been long over due. Glad it's finally happened. Helps control the cancer RNG.

Dudes, I've played A LOT with token mage (Vex Crow's sutffs) using more than 2 Magic Tricks per match. This wasn't any fair, even the deck being a true s*** and trash meme. That combo with Mana Cyclone, already mentioned here, was strong sometimes in this deck.
I was using Pirate "Cancer" Warrior with that machine "Ship's Cannon" gun, or Skybarge, with more than 2 Sky Raiders per match. I was like "Why am I cleanning up the board with a aggro deck? WHY!?", truly unfair. I got, more than twice, 3 extras, yes, !-T-H-R-E-E- -E-X-T-R-A-S-!, Sky Raiders in ONE turn.

I'm TRULY glad this hotfix came out, my sincerest thanks, Blizz.

Er sure, we are mourning it...

Where did I put the champagne?