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    posted a message on Free to play is bad for game/money experience.

    You could also just not be the best. People get so fixated on a goal like reaching legendary or getting all gold heroes. It's funny you dismiss Aggro, which is the best for winning, but still prioritize high ranking. I just love to play the game. If you aren't that type of person then you aren't a free-to-play person. Mind you, I bought Nax as well. I figured I should give them something and that was the most practical way to do it. I haven't sunk a dime in otherwise, nor have I had any urge to.

    TLDR: If you are casual then you don't need to pay. You just probably won't be the best. Which is fine, since you are casual.

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    posted a message on Edween Vancleef Should be "Pirate" type

    I think Booty Bay Bodyguard has a better argument to be a pirate. It's a damned pirate town!

    Otherwise I think "Bandits" are often lumped in with pirates. Several cards fit that role.

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    posted a message on annoy-o-tron ultra

    My only amendment is that that annoying sound never stops.

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    posted a message on Rogues need to go away now!
    Quote from iandakar »

    However, the idea is that in an F2P game, at least 50% of the community will never put a dime into the game.  Of the rest, I THINK I remember that 80% or so put in $40 or less.  It's a very VERY small community of 'whales' that ever put more than $100 in.  Note that this is a feature and the entire point of F2P systems: it's not so much fueled by making everyone want to pay so much as it is fed by a few very VERY deep pockets while the rest populate and fill up the game, provide the community and offer a LOT of free publicity.  

    The Arena estimate is based on Blizzard's numbers which mark that, again from memory, that about 10% of players hit 7 wins in Arena in any one run.  Thus the rest are running out of gold and, eventually, will be back to normal ranked runs.  

    The rest I admit is speculation: I can save because I picked up all of the cards I really REALLY 'need' a few months ago.  I saved dust because I don't trust my luck to packs and didn't want to end up with a mass of commons and nothing else.  I'm ok in arena, generally getting 5-7 wins but I have hit 12 wins before.  Still, I'm no Infinite player.  I'm also technically casual: I don't try for Legend because I know I won't play enough games to get there (and that's assuming I have the skill level, which is unknown).  Given that I'm one of those 'rare rare' folks I'm deeming I'm well above average and thus, most aren't in as good a spot as I am.  Thus most spent up to gvG still getting the cards they need to make something other than hunter/zoo.

    Unless they did the smart thing and stuck to hunter/zoo and started saving up RIGHT then.  But this thread is about complaining about how people are 'sticking to hunter/zoo' and not using other cards, isn't it?

     

    Thus the result: most players have no skill for arena, no money to spend, and very little in savings.  Thus they have the 3 packs for free and about 3-9 packs from either arena runs or buying packs outright.  If they managed to save dust, they aren't spending it now when everything is in flux and it's NOT going to be 100k dust.

    Again I can pull what data I can of all this if someone really wants it.  If someone has other data I'll gladly change my theory.  So long as it stands though, you'll need to wait a bit for everything to filter into the game.  As in A LOT longer than Naxx even with it's staggered release.

     

    I can argue a few things there, but it's irrelevant anyway. An bare few free to play players are playing many GVG  cards on the ladder right now. We are mostly in Arena or playing mostly classic cards. Time is our resource and there hasn't been any.

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    posted a message on Rogues need to go away now!
    Quote from Tiginator »
    Quote from iandakar »

    Rogue pirate is...interesting.  Cannon really helps speed up the deck.  Is it viable...maaayyybe.  It's probably the first deck you really see because most of the cards are in the Classic set.  You only need a rare and a common from GvG.  

    Remember that for all of the mass of 100+ pack openings, 50% of players in games like this spend $0 on the game and most of the payers put in about $20-40 through their entire play life.  A very VERY small % of people spend much more than that.  Also note that most players aren't good at arena either. 

    Most players didn't come into GvG with much gold/dust.  Most dust savers are probably like me: hoarding dust until viable decks show up so that the dust can go into good use.  Thus they don't have much.

    The result: probably about 80% of the playerbase has about 3-9 GvG packs.. that's it.  

    Think about what your first 6 GvG packs looked like.  Care to tell me what sort of deck can you make with that?

    Given that, what sort of meta change are you really expecting 2 days into the expansion?  

     

    yeah, because of course you'd know ALL about EXACTLY how many packs people buy. you must be working for blizzard, yes? 

     

    remember guys, no matter how many GvG cards you run into out there, they got them from 3-9 GvG packs, that's it.

    I think those were estimated numbers... And he isn't wrong. Most of this game is people that don't put much or any money into it. I get my cards from Arena. And I have a job/life. So I only have about 5-6 packs so far. The argument would be that people that don't spend money on HS probably aren't playing ladder right now.

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    posted a message on So i bought the wrong packs like an idiot...

    Even that sounds like a nuisance for the amount. I don't pretend to know how things work in the UK, but I lose money taking off work to fight a parking ticket. Not a perfect analogy, but the point is there. And for me, learning how to write a credible letter like that, then doing it... That would be a good chunk of time.

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    posted a message on So i bought the wrong packs like an idiot...
    Quote from Dr_Smash »

    Can blizzard legally decline to give a refund?      

    I don't know much about US/ international law, but I think in the UK there would be some sort of consumer protection regarding this sort of thing.   

    In the UK you have basic consumer rights (sales of goods act) that you cannot agree to lose. (i.e.  If a company has a clause like "no refunds" in the contract you sign, courts would throw it out.... if you act as a consumer).    

    There are all sort of things that may entitle you to a refund (e.g under some circumstances there are "cooling off periods", sometimes there are  remedies concerning mistake/intent,  if you purchased with credit card you may have additional legal options as well.... and so on...).

    Its a long time since I was a Law student.  But still I'd be surprised if there were literally 0 legal recourse for (unopened) packs bought by mistake,   

     

    edit:    I would emphasise the "unopened" part.     The moment you open the packs it could be argued that such behaviour indicates acceptance of the goods.  

    Would you bother to sue Blizzard for under $100? Morality ethics, and legality  aside, it would be a huge hassle to fight. 

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    posted a message on My Issue with Bloodmage Thalanos

    You play him right before a spell to charge it up. Then they need to waste a hero power or attack to kill him. Or you keep a spell boost on the board. He is pure "value." But if spellpower isn't useful to you at all then you might as well play Gnomish Inventor.

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    posted a message on Why do people think Bolvar is bad?

    It really seems like they wanted to give him Charge, but realized he would be broken. Which he would be. He probably should have +1/1 and taunt for an extra mana or something. He'd be more playable for sure.

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    posted a message on Why do people think Bolvar is bad?
    Quote from Metzelmax »

    Druid of the fang 7/7 for 5 mana, only requires a beast.

    7/7 Bolvar requires you to lose the entire early and mid game...

    Yeah! All you need is one of those many druid beast cards in play! Ya know... The one playable one. That card is awful.

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    posted a message on King of beasts card artwork

    I hadn't actually cared enough to notice before people complained, but it does look out of place. His face is a little doofy looking, and his arm seems almost human-like to me.

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    posted a message on Ancestors Call deck, looking for Feedback.

    I would take out windspeakers (could screw you over) and Fel Reaver for Feral Spirits (You need taunts for AlarmoBot) and  Ancestral spirits. Probably another lightning storm also. Reaver has bad effects for a late game deck. And it doesn't benefit from your theme.

    As long as this deck is for fun. I don't know how competitive it can be.

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    posted a message on New Card - Vitality Totem
    Quote from Nikos_the_great »

    Why does something that heals looks so angry?

    He IS on fire.

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    posted a message on Echo of Medivh

    Think this works for multiples if you have two of the same minion on the field? It reads like it does.

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    posted a message on When you use the term "Huntard"

    What I think people misunderstand is that I am not offended for Hunters. I don't care about that. I literally just think of bad news and tabloids when I see people change the letters in a name to make it "insulting." Just seeing if anyone else had the same reaction.

    I did actually play Wow also. I also played a Hunter. But I just played through for the plot so my inexperience didn't really have an effect on anyone.

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