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Battletag: KitsuLeif#2138

Region: EU

Trade only: Yes, you go first

It's post-rotation, ~400 cards rotated out, only 135 new cards came in. Of course the Standard meta feels boring because of the lack of choices that more options in deckbuilding would give you.

That's why I don't play Standard that often until the next set comes out. I enjoy a diverse meta in Wild where I can play all cards from my collection I built over ~4 1/2 years. And for those who don't have such a huge collection: Most top tier Wild decks are cheaper in dust than the Tier 1 decks from Standard atm.

https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/standard/2019-04-18

This is the meta report I'm trusting... in the end I guess it's a combination of all of them.

https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Battlecry#Order_of_play

Battlecries occur after the minion enters play, and after 'whenever you play' triggered effects such as those of Illidan Stormrage and Hobgoblin.

Battletag: KitsuLeif#2138
Region: EU
Trade Only?: Yes, you go first.

EU and still got nothing. It's 9 in the morning here. So yeah, I guess they will pop up in 10 hours.

Well, it is day 2 in some countries and we didn't get another quest. So yeah, we keep asking...

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Per wing you'll get 3 packs as a reward and if you complete all of them, you'll get a golden classic pack.

Because Tree of Life never existed, huh?

I dismiss them because they are of no relevance to me. Like I am to you obviously. I don't watch those streamers. I get my data from tempostorm or hsreplay and of course, I netdeck, too. But I don't just copy a decklist. I talk with other people about those lists, together we make adjustments, share experiences and new ideas for those decks, try them out, rinse and repeat until we find the optimal list.

And you don't seem to be able to differ between examples of scenarios that I had in my games, and scenarios that you make up to make me look stupid.

Your whole argument structure is based on putting yourself above others with false quotes like "they have a bigger audience b-but they're wrong too sometimes". You want to make yourself look smarter and try to insult others, but I won't condescend to this niveau. From this point on, I won't answer to your offensive comments anymore, even though it is quite amusing how you try to make me look like an idiot with your examples. Consider yourself ignored. Have a nice day.

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 Yes. You deemed it inferior. That is your opinion on the matter. That 's okay. But do not try to tell me what advice I may give to others or not. Because in the end it is just that. An opinion. The data that is analyzed only shows that everyone netdecks the same list and no one thinks about it. Of course this data won't change if a majority continues to listen to streamers without adjusting the decks.

If I started streaming with this list and would prove multiple times that I can reach legend with it, the data would also shift, more people would play this version of the deck. But that doesn't necessarily mean the list is perfectly tuned. As it was said before: A few suboptimal cards don't matter in a deck for reaching legend. In my opinion, Heroic Strike is one of the suboptimal cards. Why? It is basically a spell that says 2 Mana 4 damage. It doesn't do anything to develop your board, it doesn't synergyze with any other card in the deck (it would with Sharkfin) and it is a one-time use.

 

What I'm trying to say is: We're discussing opinions here. Something that can not and should not be discussed.

You say card x is bad, I say card x is good. You "prove" it by just pointing to the data that doesn't say card x is bad, only that it isn't played often. That data is formed of deck lists which are shaped by opinions like yours. Of course you think that data supports your opinion, when it is in fact just a collection of opinions, but not a base for an argument.

In my eyes, I'm as much of a worthy person as any streamer is. I am not a John Doe to myself, those streamers are. I have my own opinions and the same right to speak as they do. Just because I am not as famous as them doesn't make my opinion less worthy than theirs. Of course, to you, my opinions isn't worth anything, because you may have forgotten that those streamers are just normal people, too. And of course, streamers are always right with their opinions. No streamer ever has made false predictions of cards that became meta relevant later, but they dismissed them as unplayable. *sarcasm*

I'm not inerrable. But neither are they.

Stop trying to play the victim because you're lesser known than the people above. That isn't the reason I disagree with your deck list. 

All you have done so far is painted a few scenarios in which Sharkfin is effective.

Let me do the same for Heroic strike: From turn 5 onwards, as a pirate warrior, do I want to draw a (at best) 2 mana 3/3? No. Do I want to draw 4 additional face damage that might very well win me the game? Yes.

 I don't play the victim, I'm defending my opinion against your oppressive behavior "please don't tell people to run Sharkfin fan in pirate warrior".

This is exactly one scenario you have painted there. And with a Cannon on board and an equipped weapon, a Sharkfin Fan on turn 5 is just as good as the Heroic Strike. Okay, no... it is even better, because it stays on board and also reduces the cost of Skycap'n Kragg. Cannon+Sharkfin is so much more effective. Would you play Heroic Strike in turn 2 if you've played a weapon in turn 1? No. Would you play Sharkfin? Of course.

Again, don't tell me, what to do, what advice I might give, or not. To me, you are just the John Doe that tries to hold me down.

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The problem is indeed that streamers influence the opinions of others in such a strong way that small changes in decklists are disposed as bad, when they're well thought out.

And I know that reaching Legend doesn't mean anything. Still, all the arguments were about people reaching Legend multiple times. So it has to mean something, right? Otherwise, those arguments are completely worthless.

What else is important then? The time in which you make it to Legend? I made it from 20 to 5 in about 8 hours of playing. Around 130 matches on three days. The occasional up and down from rank 7 to 6 and back was annoying but nothing new to me. It's always like that.

I don't really think that anything of this is important. OP wanted to have an answer were all the aggro decks are, because they enjoy playing them. And I just wanted to stop by and give my friendly advice to try wild. If you play Pirate Warrior with Heroic Strike or not is your business. I made the experience that I'm playing better without it. Maybe, you don't play Pirate Warrior at all and enjoy Shaman, Paladin or Rogue. That's fine, too. I have fun with my build, I don't want to keep you from having fun with yours. What I wanted to do is giving a bit of advice: Don't trust streamers, data or "professionals" blindly. Experiment with your deck. Try to fine-tune it. Make it better. Make it more fun for you to enjoy it.

 You seem way too fixated on ranks at this point. I care about the opinion of people who have proven themselves. Such as control (see one of my previous posts) and vS, people who analyse data of nearly all ranks week in week out. Not that of a few John/Jane does who reached legend with a different build once or twice.

You suggested someone in this thread to use a pirate warrior build which I deemed inferior, and I called you out for it because I don't like misinforming people. That is all.

 Yes. You deemed it inferior. That is your opinion on the matter. That 's okay. But do not try to tell me what advice I may give to others or not. Because in the end it is just that. An opinion. The data that is analyzed only shows that everyone netdecks the same list and no one thinks about it. Of course this data won't change if a majority continues to listen to streamers without adjusting the decks.

If I started streaming with this list and would prove multiple times that I can reach legend with it, the data would also shift, more people would play this version of the deck. But that doesn't necessarily mean the list is perfectly tuned. As it was said before: A few suboptimal cards don't matter in a deck for reaching legend. In my opinion, Heroic Strike is one of the suboptimal cards. Why? It is basically a spell that says 2 Mana 4 damage. It doesn't do anything to develop your board, it doesn't synergyze with any other card in the deck (it would with Sharkfin) and it is a one-time use.

What I'm trying to say is: We're discussing opinions here. Something that can not and should not be discussed.

You say card x is bad, I say card x is good. You "prove" it by just pointing to the data that doesn't say card x is bad, only that it isn't played often. That data is formed of deck lists which are shaped by opinions like yours. Of course you think that data supports your opinion, when it is in fact just a collection of opinions, but not a base for an argument.

In my eyes, I'm as much of a worthy person as any streamer is. I am not a John Doe to myself, those streamers are. I have my own opinions and the same right to speak as they do. Just because I am not as famous as them doesn't make my opinion less worthy than theirs. Of course, to you, my opinions isn't worth anything, because you may have forgotten that those streamers are just normal people, too. And of course, streamers are always right with their opinions. No streamer ever has made false predictions of cards that became meta relevant later, but they dismissed them as unplayable. *sarcasm*

I'm not inerrable. But neither are they.

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 your pirate warrior list seems pretty bad to be honest with ya

 Why? Because I named two cards that aren't played much in the lists you always see? I think this list is the optimized one. But I'm actually glad no one else plays it. Other Pirate Warriors with Heroic Strike are pretty easy to beat.

 Captain feels too inconsistent to pull. And that 2 mana 2/2 is only good if you have n'zoth's first mate on t1.

Reaching rank 5 doesn't suddenly make the deck optimized, pirate warrior is still a viable archetype after all. Even reaching Legend doesn't mean your deck is optimized or good.

 Cursed Blade on turn 1 is also an option. Or Upgrade. Those are 6 options to trigger Sharkfin on turn 2. And I've often summoned Kragg for 3 or less mana. Two times even for 1. This isn't inconsistent. He's good even for 4 or 5. If you don't have this boardstate in turn 5 and play in topdeck, then you can give up as well. But that is, what aggro decks are about.

In regards of Sharkfin. I often play Ship's Cannon first, before I play any other pirate. It's mostly Coin + Cannon, or T1 Weapon, T2 Cannon, T3 Sharkfin Fan + Southsea Deckhand. Given that I attacked with my Cursed Blade each turn, that results in 4 damage in turn 2. In turn 3, it just explodes. 8 damage through Cannon triggers (Fan, Patches, Deckhand and the 1/1 from Sharkfin), 2 damage for attacking with Cannon, another 2 from attacking with Southsea Deckhand and another 2 for attacking with the Blade. This means, by the end of turn 3 I've already dealt 18 damage.

Of course, the opponent's try to kill the Cannon first. But an unhandled Sharkfin Fan is at least as dangerous as an unhandled Cannon. With Southsea Captain, I always spawn a new 2/2 after attacking.

And don't forget the synergy between Sharkfin Fan and Frothing Berserker. More 1/1s that can trade into small minions that push his attack higher. And even after the last Death's Bite attack, I get another 1/1 that gets damaged (and sadly killed), but also pumps Berserker more.

Those synergies are all missing with a Heroic Strike that's simply just a 4 damage spell. And not even a good one.

The problem is indeed that streamers influence the opinions of others in such a strong way that small changes in decklists are disposed as bad, when they're well thought out.

And I know that reaching Legend doesn't mean anything. Still, all the arguments were about people reaching Legend multiple times. So it has to mean something, right? Otherwise, those arguments are completely worthless.

What else is important then? The time in which you make it to Legend? I made it from 20 to 5 in about 8 hours of playing. Around 130 matches on three days. The occasional up and down from rank 7 to 6 and back was annoying but nothing new to me. It's always like that.

I don't really think that anything of this is important. OP wanted to have an answer were all the aggro decks are, because they enjoy playing them. And I just wanted to stop by and give my friendly advice to try wild. If you play Pirate Warrior with Heroic Strike or not is your business. I made the experience that I'm playing better without it. Maybe, you don't play Pirate Warrior at all and enjoy Shaman, Paladin or Rogue. That's fine, too. I have fun with my build, I don't want to keep you from having fun with yours. What I wanted to do is giving a bit of advice: Don't trust streamers, data or "professionals" blindly. Experiment with your deck. Try to fine-tune it. Make it better. Make it more fun for you to enjoy it.

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I use the list that is recommended by professionals and data experts, yes. Why wouldn't I?

Funny you should link Control, as he is probably the best, most experienced pirate warrior player. One who has reached #1 legend with multiple variations of the deck, during different seasons. Meanwhile you're sharing a link of you reaching rank 5 with the deck. 

So yes, I will listen to the 'streamer' who is clearly far better and more experienced on this matter. Or do you go to a random homeless person on the street for advice on a new car, rather than a car salesman?

 Well, my list is from another forum, were users share their advice and experiences and point out why the streamers are not always right. No one is always right. Not me, not you, not the streamers, not the users in the forums. But two of those users made Legend with this list, too, so it can't be that bad.

I just don't like the grind to Legend (I made it once in November 2017 with Snowflipper Druid and since then never again). I just wanted to share my experience with aggro decks in Wild. Also, I made it to rank 3 with the deck, but I only had a picture available of me reaching my monthly goal. Because rank 3 isn't that special to me.

The thing is: If you have Sharkfin, why don't you test the deck with him? Are you so afraid that it could work better than a list that your precious streamer has provided you with?

I've tested it with Heroic Strike as well. And I think it is the suboptimal list.