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I mean you can play the victim all you want but your original post was pretty antagonistic and your general attitude is less curious and more critical, so it’s expected that people will react negatively.

If you want to know why people netdeck you can ask in far more productive ways. There’s the salt thread for salt.

I’m like you, net decking a tier 1 aggro list and playing it every day seems like it would be my own personal hell. 

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Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums. 

Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.

 There’s a lot of discussion to be had if the thread creator and many of those who agree with him dropped the holier than thou attitude and accepted that they just aren’t very good deck builders or deck pilots and stopped taking it out on people who are playing the game as Blizzard have actually designed it to be played.

Because that is what’s happening here. As broken as Hearthstone is it is still more than possible to reach legend with janky lists. The Super Duper Deck Architects in this thread are just bad though, hence they’re being rolled over by other bad players at Bronze to Diamond 5 and taking it out on an internet forum instead of taking the objectively more logical steps of either learning to be better at the game, or playing another game which is more forgiving to players who want to meme around.

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The meta slaves on this forum will disagree with you and give you hate but I totally agree with you. I will never understand people that spam stuff like odd pally secret mage and odd rogue on ladder. Like, how is that fun? And screw “not having the emotional intelligence to understand people disliking deckbuilding etc” that’s complete bs. People that netdeck and say that dont have the general intelligence to build their own deck so they let someone do it for them and then post their legend picture or brag about their rank on Reddit like they accomplished something. And then they get so sensitive when people hate on netdecking like deckbuilding isn’t sort of the point of the game, and yet they cannot for the lives of themselves construct a deck even in a 3 card tavern brawl. Sad imo, they’ll never get to truly experience hearthstone at its greatest, Full of whacky combos and interactions. Let them be content with playing their sad deck a stranger constructed for them that lets them drag and click on a portrait every turn, we can have all the actual fun. Smd meta dependents lmao

This is like playing a pool tournament and complaining that your opponent is potting their balls whilst you are trying to slam trick shots.

If you want to dick around in Hearthstone you will probably have to play casual games with friends. Or get really, REALLY good to the point where you can make meme lists work to a reasonable degree (this is possible, just very hard in Hearthstone). But playing on ladder and expecting your opponents to play janky shit that the game clearly isn’t balanced to cater is mind numbingly stupid.

If you want to play ranked games with janky decks then you’re going to have to find another game which caters to it.

 That’s a terrible comparison, a better one would be playing pool and complaining that my opponent has a robotic arm that sinks every shot for him. Y’all go on the internet and literally copy/paste a deck that someone else built. Might as well have them play the game for you. And yes everybody pilots decks differently and has a learning curve on decks but, watch a few videos by the person that made the deck and hey, that problem is gone. Youre not playing the game, youre mimicking the play pattern of somebody you found on the internet. My previous post was half joking but my point is all the same, deckbuilding is part of the game, why are you playing a CCG/TCG otherwise? At the end of the day i know netdecking is part of the game and I’ll accept it, but that doesn’t mean the people who netdeck aren’t annoying and bad at the game because they cant even comprehend forming their own coherent combination of two cards. They just want to play the best deck and win even though it’s a boring ass deck and because they’re obsessed with getting high ranks for little incentive; at the cost of “fun” in quotes cuz it’s “subjective”. The amount of fun one achieves from playing secret mage and odd rogue is not subjective however. Ppl who read this will get sensitive lmao idgaf, stay keeping yourselves closed off to the entire other half of the game.

 I don’t “go on the internet and literally copy/paste a deck that someone else built“, I play nothing other than homebrew meme decks. I can just recognise that the game isn’t designed around those decks being viable on ladder. Hence I went searching for other card games to find a one which is.

That’s the logical thing to do anyway.

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The meta slaves on this forum will disagree with you and give you hate but I totally agree with you. I will never understand people that spam stuff like odd pally secret mage and odd rogue on ladder. Like, how is that fun? And screw “not having the emotional intelligence to understand people disliking deckbuilding etc” that’s complete bs. People that netdeck and say that dont have the general intelligence to build their own deck so they let someone do it for them and then post their legend picture or brag about their rank on Reddit like they accomplished something. And then they get so sensitive when people hate on netdecking like deckbuilding isn’t sort of the point of the game, and yet they cannot for the lives of themselves construct a deck even in a 3 card tavern brawl. Sad imo, they’ll never get to truly experience hearthstone at its greatest, Full of whacky combos and interactions. Let them be content with playing their sad deck a stranger constructed for them that lets them drag and click on a portrait every turn, we can have all the actual fun. Smd meta dependents lmao

This is like playing a pool tournament and complaining that your opponent is potting their balls whilst you are trying to slam trick shots.

If you want to dick around in Hearthstone you will probably have to play casual games with friends. Or get really, REALLY good to the point where you can make meme lists work to a reasonable degree (this is possible, just very hard in Hearthstone). But playing on ladder and expecting your opponents to play janky shit that the game clearly isn’t balanced to cater is mind numbingly stupid.

If you want to play ranked games with janky decks then you’re going to have to find another game which caters to it.

Saying there us no skill involved is demonstrably false. It’s completely stupid and it’s cringey as fuck that people keep saying it. Playing the game consistently well enough the reach high legend takes a lot of skill, saying otherwise just makes you look bitter, weird and/or incredibly dumb.

Hearthstone is like autotune, it can make everybody sound okay, but if they cannot actually sing they’re never going to be the next [insert pop reference here]. RNG and the advantage gained by playing on curve means that anybody can win if they netdeck a refined aggro list. But they’ll only make high legend if they put a lot of time into learning every aspect of the game and current meta.

I can only assume that those who claim the game takes no skill, even at the highest level, are the ones benefiting from Hearthstones autotune the most. As anyone who actually understands the game would have no problems seeing the clear divide between players who are truly good and those who aren’t.

The OP is a bit of a train wreck and insinuating negatives about people who netdeck is never going to lead to an interesting discussion. Especially given what Hearthstone is now.

I understand the overall gripe with the game however, but your best bet is probably just to move on. The Hearthstone devs have replaced the original method of balancing with a one which doesn’t really favour experimentation, at least not to the extent that your average HS player can experiment with much freedom.

Powerful cards now are released to fit narrow archetypes and anything that doesn’t fit those archetypes (or hard counters them) is going to struggle to keep up. Essentially Blizzard are heavily moulding the meta and the only way to compete is to netdeck what they want you to play.

That is Standard, but the effects of powercreep will hit Wild too, perhaps more so.

If you haven’t already then give Legends of Runeterra a try, there are obviously decks which stand in a league of their own, but given the nature of the game and how the cards are balanced across the board there is a lot of room for experimentation without feeling like you are playing a different game entirely to your opponent.

I downloaded the game wanting to hate it but after a few weeks I’m struggling to see how I could return back to HS.

Fear of your cards being burned is just something players really should get used to. It’s just an extra wincon and the more varied wincons are the better and more varied the game is.

The problem with Tickatus is that there’s just no interaction beyond playing a deck which can out tempo him.

People can argue about ‘how bad’ the card is all day long but it will never change the fact that many players (especially meme players and middling players at diamond and below) are feeling forced to play decks which they just don’t find fun. 

Make them 0/1 and let you choose (bring back wrath of air and get rid of searing).

Not knowing the cards is fine, the mechanic just needs to be costed ‘fairly’. But then they would need to cost everything else we see in meta decks fairly.

In short, if there’s an ‘overpowered’ mechanic in the game it’s usually for a reason. I hate card generation in HS for multiple reasons but classes who abuse it have to be able to do so or they wouldn’t be able to keep up with other classes who can outdraw them. Obviously they could just give those classes draw too but that’s a different story.

Hearthstone has become a very polarising game over the past few years, and not by accident. The new design team have pushed the game towards  more RNG, more generation, more card draw, huge swing turns and oppressive cards. Games are faster, less predictable and a lot more crazy. You’re either going to love it ir hate it.

I know nothing of either party but the concept of ruining innocent peoples lives in some attempt to even the scales is absurd to me.

If there’s no proof of any wrongdoing then people shouldn’t be punished in any way. That’s for the courts to decide.

It might be far from perfect but it’s a fuck tonne better than kangaroo courts run through Twitter.

I‘m really not seeing this crisis tbh, maybe I don’t visit enough but pointless salt threads are fairly rare and are usually locked pretty sharpish.

I see a fair amount of posts I feel are moronic but I’m not sure what can be done about that save heavy moderation and policing. HearthPwn is a well recognised forum for a game which attracts a younger audience and this is generally the result of that. I don’t know any large mainstream gaming forum where this doesn’t happen.

There are other HS communities out there which probably offer more of what you are after. Like I said CompetitiveHS fits the bill, I’m pretty sure nerf threads are against the rules.

That’s a great point actually. Tournament style formats with no (or little) barrier to entry would be pretty cool.

Duplicate threads (like Tick threads) and threads with no content other than salt being deleted seems fair (and from what I’ve seen the mods do a good job of this), but deleting threads because they are critical of the game seems a bit silly.

If you want to discuss strategies then r/CompetitiveHS is probably a better option.

When I say ‘tricked’ I’m just talking about how it ‘tricked’ me on the concept of how card games work.

I don’t feel like the game tricked me on it’s gameplay, it’s just that I never tried out other card games because the meme shit I love about HS is what I thought I loved about card games, but trying others out I’ve realised that isn’t the case. I do love meme shit, but I also really enjoy many more aspects of card games when it feels like my decisions have more weight. ‘Tempo’ strategies for example I’ve actually learned can be engaging.

I enjoy Hearthstone, and when I feel like playing crazy decks I’ll go to Hearthstone. I’m just glad I’ve realised that, instead of expecting the game to be something it’s not.

And as I’ve said I’m using the lanes idea just as an example. I wasn’t meaning to start a conversation of how the game should be changed or anything.

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Thats basically Artifact.

Elder Scrolls Legends also has it in a way.

HS is supposed to more simple straightforward, hence why its so successful, lanes would ruin its core gameplay

FWIW I’m not saying HS should use a lane system, it’s just an example of how the complexity could be increased.

D_Lord has written a lot of what I wanted to say probably in a better way. With Hearthstone the complexity comes at high ranks and over a large period of games because the goal is to maximise your winrate.