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    posted a message on Am I taking crazy pills?
    Quote from RendInFriend >>

    No other class has been nerfed as much as priest. Priest is my favorite class, but blizz should just delete them. Players cried when there was a strong win condition, so they got rid of Raza. Then they cried about combo, so no more face damage with mind blast. Then they cried about Reno effects, so Velen got removed. Then they cried about resurrect spells, which were viable win conditions, so no more rez. Now they are crying because games take too long after nerfing or rotating every single win condition priest has ever had. This is getting ridiculous, especially as the healing, silence and removal portions of class identity get carved up to other classes. At this point, warlock and demon hunter look more like classic control priest decks than priest does now.

     I honestly think they wanted to nerf the class anyway to force people into the shadow priest wincon that’s coming next expansion. I don’t think the complaining alone is why all these cards got nerfed. People complain about lots of cards but Blizzard stands firm on not nerfing quite a few of them, like Tickatus. I think Blizzard finally realized that they painted themselves into a corner with priest & the discover shenanigans, so they finally had to act. The problem was likely to only get worse, seeing as we’re only in the first expansion of a new cycle & the discover was already out of control. Be thankful that palm reading wasn’t touched, because that card will almost certainly become an issue at some point down the line.

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    posted a message on At last a healthy meta!
    Quote from Maziskynet >>

    Those who complains about aggro decks or face hunters are usually those who play garbage greedy decks like Clown Druid, Tickatus Warlock or stuff like that.

    They basically want to do all the greedy stuff or reach combos with no opposition, well, news at 13:00, this is not a single player game. 

    Enjoy face hunter

     I'd rather face 100 face hunters back to back than one priest. 

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    posted a message on At least Standard is better now
    Quote from RomanKnight >>

    If shaman becomes a problem, people will just start running ooze and shaman is gone. 

     If you think running an ooze is going to stop that deck, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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    posted a message on At last a healthy meta!
    Quote from dirvenstylez >>

    I just hit 2243 legend with Priest (about 5 minutes ago) and beat almost all Hunters and Shamans. If you are really struggeling with aggro feel free to add me for the decklist. Dirvenstylez#2666

     It's more than likely the same streamer list every other control priest on ladder is playing, but congrats on legend. 

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    posted a message on Southsea Scoundrel??!!

    This card honestly should've never been printed. It's the epitome of toxic design & single handedly decides control matchups all by itself. Priests just hard mulligan for the card & raise dead it 100 times, making any control matchup a waste of time because you can no longer play for fatigue. It also makes running cthun useless a lot of times because they can just steal it from your deck while creating a board to soak up damage.

    You usually don't want to play certain cards against priests because they will just copy/steal it. Now you can't even have cards in your deck without them getting stolen. Terribly designed card.

    It's just another example of the copycat nature of this game. NO ONE was playing this card at all for the first month & a half of the expansion because people hardly ever experiment for themselves. Then a high level priest player/streamer started putting two copies of this in & TADAA! And people wonder why aggro is so popular... 

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    posted a message on Southsea Scoundrel

    Fuck this card. 

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    posted a message on At last a healthy meta!
    Quote from CaptKnucklez42 >>

    Amazing what shaman can do with a little card draw, some synergy, and an actual T1 play.

     I know right! Just equip a weapon & attack face each turn. Truly amazing!

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    posted a message on Group therapy! Need to blow off steam? Mega salty? Here is the place! V2

    Can Southsea Scoundrel be deleted from the game? The game would most certainly be better off without it. That single card is ruining ladder for me at the moment. 

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    posted a message on Face Hunter is Strongest Deck - Should I feel sad?
    Quote from 0SootSamus >>

     Dumpster legend means nothing. people play experimental trash decks.  Easy to win.

    People say this all the time, but it’s hardly ever the case.

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    posted a message on New Legendary Mutanus the Devourer

    Card looks pretty fun to me. I could care less if it’s “good” or “too slow.” I play this game for entertainment before anything else. I’ll be crafting this bad boy gold on day one & throwing it into my control warrior. If it ends up being trash, then oh well. The first time it eats a Yshaarj or Nzoth, it will have been worth it.

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    posted a message on I am now forced to admit a Blizz does not care about the meta

    A break would definitely do you some good. I’ve taken a few over the years & it does wonders for me personally. But I do have to say, if you actually think Blizzard cares about wild then I have a bridge to sell you.

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    posted a message on So they're not going to fix Mage then...????

    This is part of the reason I quit wild altogether, but standard isn’t too much better at the moment honestly. The game is just in a rough spot overall. If the mini-set doesn’t change things up a bit, it’ll probably be time for a break.

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    posted a message on What everyone's opinion about the Meta after the buffs and nerfs?
    Quote from Carlsberg >>
    Quote from Toribasher >>

    The meta has settled into a rather terrible place.  It cannot be fixed, either.

    Rogue often has turns playing 7 or 8 cards, and this is while they have 3 or 4 mana.

    How many cards a game does Priest discover?  They raise dead scorpion discovers and septic Veilweavers non-stop.  How many scorpions does a Priest play in a game?  6?  8?

    Druid sometimes has a full board first turn without a coin!  And if they aren't token Druid, they tend to do Guardian Animals when opponent has 4 mana.

    Warlocks, but how many times can you clear a board as Warlock, especially if you decide to run the 4 mana 5 damage to all minions spell Soul Rend?  And at Turn 9 you can Jaraxxus up and even Priest can't deal with it.

    Demon Hunter can Lifesteal OTK on 7 mana from hand with no minions on board while they destroyed your board every turn all game.

    The meta has a great number of severe problems, so you have to reach for the quickest deck.

    I'm actually playing Aggro Paladin now because it is the only deck that clears Rogues minion vomit and pressures Druid severely.

    I am starting to realize that if they nuked Mage, Rogue would just roll over most classes.

    4 mana feels like late game turns.  This isn't the worst meta ever -- maybe not even one of the worst --- but worse than how hard and fast your deck needs to hit, how are they going to do expansions with meanful cards when most viable decks are so aggressive and fast?

     That's Priest win con though, discover a way to win. Untill the actually know WTF they want to do with Priest in regards to winning games expect that to be the way.

    Shaman the other class i tend to play is just horrible. No healing, No Card Draw, No Win Condition, Hero Power is useless, Bring back Shudderwock and battlecrys as their thing...

     Yeah Blizzard has really painted themselves into a corner with priest at this point. The discover is just way out of control right now. It’s just too much with Raise Dead into Sethekks & Scorpids. Priests can consistently discover 20+ cards a game in control matches. As it stands right now, the class is flat out unbearable to play against with these new builds running scoundrels & eleks. I didn’t think anything could be worse than queueing into Mage, but Priest is really starting to wear on me. I honestly think raise dead should cost mana. It probably wouldn’t drastically change things, but it’s a start.

    I’m really hoping the mini-set will shake things up a bit, but I honestly don’t even know what they could print to fix this meta. Those 35 cards are really gonna need to be on point for things to really change. Nevertheless, I remain cautiously optimistic.

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    posted a message on Honestly I don't understand why people play this game anymore.
    Quote from BravoTeam >>
    Quote from JoeByeDon >>

    Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums. 

    Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.

     The thing I wish people would understand is this: the "I want to win games by any means necessary" people aren't some sort of emotionless robot. There's people for whom trying to maximize winrate at all costs is the fun of the game. They're not sat there grinding Face Hunter for four hours a day for an entire season and miserable about it. The same way tinkerers enjoy trying to find a way to OTK their opponent with Oil Rig Ambushers or whatever and find the idea of playing Face Hunter boring, power players enjoy playing the best deck and squeezing every single percentage point and find spending time perfecting Oil Rig Ambusher OTK Rogue boring. People aren't sacrificing their own fun to try to win - these are people just like you trying to have as much fun playing a videogame as they can, they're not weird robots who are willingly avoiding fun in their free time to make the ladder a worse place for you. I find this perception of "there's people who want to have fun, and then there's people who want to win" really bizarre and also really annoying. It's like somehow the way of playing the game that the game's structure actively disincentivizes - playing with sub-optimal decks when the game pushes you to maximize your winrate - is seen as the "correct" way by a lot of people. It's not, and neither is trying to win at all costs. Let people play the way they want, and don't expect people to change the way they play just so you can play the way you want.

     So..I guess we agree then? You kind of came full circle there at the end & basically reiterated my point. When I said “Everyone will feel how they feel”, that was essentially saying that there’s no right answer & everyone will never see eye to eye on this topic, which is fine. I never called anyone on either side a robot, so I’m going to assume that was directed at another poster. The two group labels I said were simply off the top of the head extremes, not the end all be all. It sounds like you fall somewhere in between, just like me. I can understand the mentality of both groups, but I don’t necessarily agree with either. Let me give an example.

    For the last two years, I played nothing but highlander mage. During that time, the deck spent time in tier 1, tier 4, & everywhere in between. Where the deck ranked on tier lists was never important to me because it was the one I enjoyed playing the most. The fun I experienced playing negated any other factors for me. I was fine with losing more games. I guess you can say I was in the “I play for fun & nothing more” crowd. I made a write-up on the deck about a year ago, during the dragon hunter era. Half the comments in that post were people telling me how stupid I was for playing the deck in that meta, since hunter was popular. People said I’d be better off switching to something that counters hunter. The whole time I’m just sitting there thinking, “But this is the deck I like playing, I don’t want to switch.” They were basically telling me that whatever I find fun should come secondary to what wins the most games. I simply did not understand that way of thinking, but it didn’t surprise me, because there’s always a group of people who feel that way, which is fine.

    On the flip side, when highlander mage was the best deck in the game for awhile & every other match on ladder was a mirror, people probably thought I was simply following the current trend & more than likely placed me in the “win by any means” group, even though I had already been playing the deck before it got popular. I still continued to play the deck, even though it was incredibly broken for a period of time. I was essentially taking the path of least resistance by laddering with the best deck, which led to numerous “friend” requests after matches. I got called a “meta whore”, “try hard” & a few other things. In their minds, I was that guy who a few in this thread have come to despise. I was the guy jamming the broken tier 1, flavor of the month netdeck. In my mind, I was doing nothing wrong & perfectly fine with it, because I was having a great time. 

    So long story short, I can understand the arguments of both sides. I’ve been on both ends of the spectrum & never felt bad about anything. I still don’t think players are ever going to agree on this topic, which was the point of my original post. There are people who just flat out despise anything popular & those who play it, as well as people who think the only way to play is to min/max. That’s just the way it’s always going to be with most games. I played a guy on ladder the other day who was playing a Nzoth/Cthun Rogue. You gotta respect it. The game was pretty fun because it was so random & unexpected, but at the same time I’m wondering “Why the hell is he playing this?” So like I said, I’m somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.

     

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    posted a message on Honestly I don't understand why people play this game anymore.

    Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums. 

    Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.

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