Hearthpwn

Quote from Zizka >>

Do you remember when the community “threw a fit” regarding the reward track when it was implemented? Do you remember who ended up benefiting from it? 


”I find it very intriguing that a person who supposedly likes a game would ever complain about having to play it more, that whole concept sounds counterintuitive to me.”

Speaking of counterintuitive: 

Overwatch 1 used to use a subscription service. Overwatch 2 moved to F2P. Does this strike you as a move from a company who doesn’t care if F2P players leave? (Overwatch is a game from Blizzard). Since, as you’ve said, companies exist to make money, isn’t the logical conclusion that F2P is a better business model? 

Based on your reasoning:

1. companies exist to make money 
2. Blizzard uses F2P as its business model.
3. Blizzard doesn’t care if F2P players leave.

Can you see how there’s something off in premises? If F2P are to turn into whales like you, they need to stick around long enough to do so. If they leave, do you not understand how it’s something they probably *do* care about? 

 F2P is a business model to get people engaged in a game without having to shell out $70 for it before they play. If they like the game and stick around the more they are engaged with the game results in them spending more over time and when people invest time into things they are less likely to leave.  All companies exist to make a profit because if they don’t they cease to exist. Maybe in the hearthpwn world people are zombies and do things for others because they feel the need to be rewarded with the hard work for the sake of hard work., huh. I know the hearthpwn world is basically a mirror of communist Russia and everyone is Stalin but there is something that exists called reality and it’s quite different in the Capitalist system.  If you don’t like it you don’t have participate because in the capitalist system you have a choice unlike the communist system we don’t kill you if you don’t agree with us. 

Im surprised anyone in the hearthpwn world even plays hearthstone tbh because it’s made by an evil greedy corporation out to suck the very life from your body. You all should be playing that marvel snap game made by that other guy. I hear that game is a gamers Utopia. You should check it out.

f2p can’t be whales bud because they don’t have the money to begin with or else they wouldn’t be whining about the stupid fking quest changes like they do. 

The day the players who actually quit hearthstone that say they are will be the day the  sun rises in the west.  Seeing as how complaining gets the company to change things you guys should start complaining about the pricing really loud and maybe they will just make it all free because that’s what the hearthpwn community wants…everything for free. 

it’s quite sickening to be honest.  Misery loves company ……that’s for sure. The comments are entertaining  and as a shareholder in the company I can assure you that we won’t miss the money you don’t spend.  We all bow before the almighty f2p who graces us with his majestic presence!! God knows if his presence was gone oh God what oh what would we all do to survive …..rotflmao.  There is another name for something that plays the game and doesn’t spend a dime to support it …we call them bots.   
 
btw blizzard gave me overwatch for free and I never even bothered to install it because It looked like another dumb shooter not worth playing even for free I guess Blizzard came to that conclusion as well because nobody was paying for it so hey no harm there.

when windows moves to subscription service I can’t wait to see all,of you migrate to Linux ….laughing my fucking ass off!

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Quote from lv426a11 >>

I don't really mind the one for ranked (though I don't agree with their stated reasoning for changing it), but if you're playing ranked with any regularity you'll probably win 15 games a week. 

But the one for Tavern Brawl, Arena or Battlegrounds.  What a joke!  I almost never play arena, I absolutely never play battlegrounds and I wont ever play at least 15 games of tavern brawl.  I have no idea if winning 15 games of battlegrounds is a lot, but it sounds like it might be.

This genuinely feels like the beginning of the end of Hearthstone.  I can see no good reason for this change except to force people to buy packs by limiting their gold, or to "encourage" people to pay to play arena.  Very cynical change imo.

 There are a lot of people who mostly play casual and don't like ranked, just the way you don't like battlegrounds. For them, 5 wins was annoying but doable. Asking those players to win 15 ranked games per week is just going to push them out of the game. These were not necessarily forever-free players, either. I'm sure there are plenty of paying customers who are primarily casual. Or were, until now.

So yeah, "beginning of the end" sums it up pretty well.

 It’s been the beginning of the end for the game since April of 2014. There is a world outside of the forums and rest assured it’s quite real and nothing like the Hearthpwn world. Hearthstone will still be here long after everyone who quits over this is gone my friend.

Quote from Sanglord >>

Also the more you win, the higher you climb in the ranked ladder which will make your win rate even lower. This will be the last battle pass I purchase, as I will likely struggle to reach the end of it now. Winning 5 ranked games per week already felt like a chore.

 The mmr system  matches you based on internal ranking ,ladder rank has nothing to do with how easy or hard it is to win.  The only difference is the better meta decks will progress farther because statistically they win more so they should but that is meaningless because you have achieved that rank anyway so your deck and your ability to play it is just the same.

I agree with you all and this is what Blizzard needs to do.

For everyone who paid for the battle pass under the assumption that they would be able to complete it by doing the 5 wins quest should either have the choice of receiving a refund or having their pass completed to 100 ,have all rewards granted and their season ended with no more quests or reward track to worry about anymore, you can all just go play the game to play the game.

Going forward we will have two reward tracks with only one choice as to which one you go with.

One will cost $50.00 and grant all rewards to 100 and that’s it.

One will cost $19.99 and remain the same as it stands today with the quest system and the ability to get everything plus an additional 150 packs for your choosing to play the quest structure.

Or you can always just ignore the reward track and just play the game how you like without spending a dime BUT there is nothing FREE on the reward track anymore….. awwweeee.

I’d love to see Blizzard implement this so all you players have more choices and don’t have to feel like hearthstone is a job instead of a game.

You all wouldn’t have to be so mad all the time then.

Quote from eddacris >>

It's the exact same way for those who only play BGs, they probably won't be able to finish 15 ranked wins or even 5

 Those who play BG all the time probably don’t care about a mode they don’t play.

I agree with you all and this is what Blizzard needs to do.

For everyone who paid for the battle pass under the assumption that they would be able to complete it by doing the 5 wins quest should either have the choice of receiving a refund or having their pass completed to 100 ,have all rewards granted and their season ended with no more quests or reward track to worry about anymore, you can all just go play the game to play the game.

Going forward we will have two reward tracks with only one choice as to which one you go with.

One will cost $50.00 and grant all rewards to 100 and that’s it.

One will cost $19.99 and remain the same as it stands today with the quest system and the ability to get everything plus an additional 150 packs for your choosing to play the quest structure.

Or you can always just ignore the reward track and just play the game how you like without spending a dime BUT there is nothing FREE on the reward track anymore….. awwweeee.

I’d love to see Blizzard implement this so all you players have more choices and don’t have to feel like hearthstone is a job instead of a game.

You all wouldn’t have to be so mad all the time then.

Quote from xskarma >>

I think their remark about sticker shock was to indicate that there had been so little communication about this and that no one expected what was ultimately pushed to live servers.

Honestly, I have no idea why communication about this was so bad as there has been a definite increase in trying to get ahead of messaging like this in the last year or 2.

Which means there's 2 options:

1) they legitimately didn;t think this was anything that would upset the playerbase too much. Which would be a HUGE lack of being in touch with your playerbase. Anyone with even a SLIGHT finger on the pulse would have seen this reaction coming. 

2) they knew it would be a shitstorm, and did it anyway, because the plan all along has been to throw it out there in unreasonable form so they can roll it back to something slightly less awful, which is still a good deal worse than the situation before, but maybe not enough to cause riots on the forums.

And it is very very possible that this was all done without properly checking with the people who would knwo the reaction of the community. 

It's all too easy given how things have gone with the game lately (increase in price of Diamond cards for a recent example) to imagine some suit with an MBA in the financial department of Blizz to go "Hey, you know how the players say they only play till their quests are done? what if we just TRIPLE the time it takes to get their quests done? THINK OF THE ENGAGEMENT NUMBERS!" and then they got patted on the back and given a raise for the brilliant idea, and they put a dev or 2 on it to implement it in time to take advantage for the rise in player numbers from the Anniversary.

But maybe I'm just jaded. =/

 As to your last comment about player engagement you are 100% correct.  The community has been conditioned to throw a fit and then have Blizzard respond by changing things to appease  the mob. As it stands now I’m just a collector and only engage the game with as little effort as possible to get the 200 packs from the track and that’s it.  Anything to do with BG’s is zero effort to complete. The quests before the change take me roughly 40-60 minutes per week to clear and that includes all 7 daily quests as well. Even with the 20% add on from purchasing the paid reward track you still have to complete the quests to eventually hit 400.  I could ignore the win 15 and I could probably still hit 400 with a week to spare but now with the added xp it will take a few days off my projected time to 400 at about 19-22 days before the season ends.

Seeing as how I stack my quests and reroll until I can complete as many as I can concurrently the new win 15 a week will absolutely make me engage the game more. Instead of hitting casual and conceding on turn 6 for three games to clear 3600xp worth of daily play three games as x class I’ll actually go to one of many sites and copy paste the best deck for the class and actually play it in standard to add to the weekly win 15 total. Spending mana and playing minions quests will complete themselves just by doing this.

The amount of times I have heard people say “ oh no I’m quitting now” over the last 10+ years is astronomical but yet the game lives on. 
As a stockholder in Blizzard I can assure you that at the end of the day it does not care one iota if any player who spends little or nothing leaves because for every one that does you have 100’s  more that don’t. 

I find it very intriguing that a person who supposedly likes a game would ever complain about having to play it more, that whole concept sounds counterintuitive to me.

i understand people have limited time and other things to do but so does everyone else but you find the time for what is important to you.

Companies exist to make a profit and that is the only reason they exist.  People need to understand this has nothing to do with greed because in the end the players determine if a game succeeds or fails.

If you spend little to no money ,sad fact : Blizzard will not miss you.

Blizzard gives me $250 worth of packs for $19.99 I think that’s  more than fair.  Instead of buying extra packs I spend the money on all the cosmetics. If Blizzard didn’t have the cosmetics they would be losing out on that pack money completely and that’s not a good thing for long term sustainability.

The community needs to look at things from both sides instead of just melting down over everything and crying “greedy corporation”.

Think of ways to meet and defeat the new challenges instead of complaining and threatening to leave. The day the game dies is when it is no longer profitable to run but trust me the game will still be here whether you are or aren’t.

Good Luck everyone ! Things are not as bad as they seem.

Player since closed beta and I thought the mode was rather dumb. I never played it past whatever initial engagement they required for some reward . I equate duels with Warcraft rumble ….i played rumble to collect the cardback ,uninstalled it immediately after that and will never touch it again.  Mercs is a standalone game that people who don’t know any better still spend money on. It’s zero maintenance and that’s why it’s still around. If you want a completely stagnant duels mode that never changes they could have left it in but it must have been such a waste of space they removed it to keep the file size down.  They better do something with Twist or it’s going to end up the same way.

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Quote from BlueStripe >>

So, in order to progress in Whizbang's Workshop event to get your first standard pack, you have to PLAY a legendary minion! I'll be stuck forever in the first step, I won't craft Joymancer Jepetto just for the sake of the event.

A ripoff I tell you

 People should really examine the situation and think before opening their browser and typing things that reflect very poorly on them.  The only thing not having the card does is make it take more time to complete. I popped diamond joymancer into a play 3 quest class deck and hit play on casual. Too bad the other guy didn’t get credit for killing him as I did for playing him. I’m already over 2000 on the event and I don’t even try.  What you said makes zero sense.

Quote from Zizka >>

Interesting definition of fun.

 What’s not fun killing warriors from 30 health and 14 armor in one turn with my man Jenkins?   Come onnnnnnnn…..thats hilarious funny stuff! 

 Duuuuuuddeeeee I’m still dying laughing 🤣 on that one!!  This brawl makes watching paint dry exciting! The comments on this brawl ,over the years , elicit the utmost humor in absolute frustration! This brawl definitely belongs in the top 10 for “ pray for one and done or else hit head with hammer if you wish to continue”. 

I reserve brawls like this to complete when I’m focusing on something else and I just randomly play cards. Praise Yogg I had a one and done with this one or the iPad might have hit the wall…hahahahaha!

Quote from zmauls >>

Blizzard can take a regulation size Louisville Slugger right in the ass for this steaming pile of cockshit. 

I played to D5 in twist withsolid gold odd pally 80% winrate to collect the monthly packs that add to my stack. Waiting for those nerfs because I have multiples upon multiples of the nerfed cards for another pile of nerf dust. It was fun rolling leeroy for 40+ burst damage  while it lasted.  I’m just hitting those chill matches in BGs for that 400 reward track runout . I’m on level 60 right now.  Thank god the brawl today was one and done ….that one is death by boredom for sure!