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Ok so Deathknight's plagues have always been strong and very annoying. But with the removal of SteamCleaner, WHAT IS THE COUNTER PLAY? I play Reno decks and I just lose instantly. I've been thinking about instantly conceding because the stupidity of the balance team deciding that Plagues need to dominate the meta. Also, the plagues are definitely glitched/bugged. The amount of times ONE plague card is put in your deck and THE VERY NEXT TURN YOU TOP DECK THE PLAGUE IS LIKE HIGHER THAN 50%. It is such a high chance of drawing plagues, that it's obvious that the rng isn't fair. And that the numbers are skewed to draw plagues way more often than you should. BRING BACK STEAMCLEANER OR GIVE US SOME WAY TO COUNTER PLAGUES. IM TIRED OF DRAWING THE PLAGUE THAT INCREASES THE COST OF MY CARDS RUINING MY ENTIRE CURVE AND ENDING THE GAME. I AM ALWAYS TRYING TO SURVIVE UNTIL TURN 6,7,OR 8, AND WHEN I GET TO THE TURN I DRAW THE PLAGUE WHICH INCREASES THE COST OF MY CARDS BY 1. Like how is this still not either nerfed, or given a way to counter??? The second you run into death knight as a reno you just lost. I understand there are counter matchups but, atleast give me ONE CARD (Steam cleaner), that I can put in my deck to give me even A FIGHTING CHANCE. It isn't fair that I just insta lose to deathknight. PLEASE DO SOMETHING FFS!!!

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Agreed

Symphony of Sins Literally murder 7 know cards below

• Tickatus Corrupted version
• Valdris Fergorge
• Keli'dan the Breaker
• Infernal
• The Dark Portal
• Dreadlich Tamsin
• Hellfire
• Drain Soul

So the changes should be

Symphony of Sins: Cost 6, each Movement cost 4:

• Movement of Wrath: Deal 5 to all characters
• Movement of Pride: Draw your Highest Cost Minion. Reduce its cost by (5)
• Movement of Greed: Draw 5 cards
• Movement of Gluttony: Give a minion in your hand, deck and battlefield +5/+5
• Movement of Envy: Remove the top 5 cards from your opponent's deck
• Movement of Desire: Lifesteal. Deal 5 damage to the enemy hero
• Movement of Sloth: Summon a 5/5 Demon with Taunt and Reborn

 Alan I agree with the thoughts but I don't think some of these are enough of nerfs. I do not think movement of pride should even reduce cost by 5. Even that is still too strong in standard. That would make Sargeras cost 4 which is still too dominant. I think Sargeras should be DEFAULT cost 10 mana, and that it should reduce him by (1) which would put him at 9. Essentially, if the Warlock makes it to turn 9, or 8 with a coin, they automatically win the game. Unless they nerf the taunt minions this is the only way. The fact of the matter is, the minions having taunt is too much defense for them each round on infinite value. Movement of Envy, removing 5 cards from your opponents deck for even 4 mana is really strong, I'd be fine with settling for 4 cards, but i'm inclined to say 3. 3 or 4 for sure should be going range. Otherwise, it's great to discuss with someone with an actual rational and reasonable changes. While we disagree on little, we agree on much. I just hope those in charge of the changes, are as competent as two random Hearthstone players on a forum are. Perhaps me and Alan3000 should be recruited to work for the balance team on Hearthstone? Because of recent it's been an absolute joke and a pathetic performance by their balance team. No wonder multiple people got fired, its time for some change. There must have been too much complatency there.

No they are incompetent and lazy. They should hire someone who is in legend to give their professional thoughts on balance changes. They are clearly in over their head. The fact that any decks are at 70%-90% wr demonstrates that it was either inntentional or they are incompetent. Could be both unfortunately. The thing is, most people say, "Oh it's just wild who cares". But Warlock still has the most broken cards in the STANDARD meta as well! Symphony of Sins costs only FIVE mana, and each spell within costs ONLY THREE MANA, then they can draw their Sargeras and reduces its cost BY SIX MANA... These numbers are INSANE. Then they have a 3 mana, discard SIX of your opponents cards. I mean it's an absolute JOKE. Either the creator of the cards is bias, or completely in over his head! 

I think Symphony of sins need to be nerfed harder. I think it should cost 6, the other spells it gives you shoud all cost 4. The movement of pride card which draws your highest costing minion and reduces its cost by (6), needs to be changed. I'm fine with them drawing their highest cost minion. It should be reduce cost by 1. And Sargeras should be changed to 10 mana. Also movement of envy, discard SIX of your opponents cards is downright broken. 3 mana disard 6 of your opponents cards is DEVASTATING. That is WAYYY TOO STRONG. 

This was posted sept 15. AND THEY STILL have not nerfed Sargeras OR discard Warlock. Anyone saying that these are NOT the two strongest decks in wild and standard, are just the exact losers playing these decks to hit legend for the first time in their miserable lives! And it's disgusting! Discard warlock has had a 80% freaking winrate this past week, last time I checked, a deck to have between 60%-67% was on God like status. 80% is just downright the best deck in Hearthstone history, broken beyond recognition. So unfair and advantageous of a deck, that it's a joke and they are a joke to not fix it! And in standard, by far, not EVEN CLOSE, Sargeras is the best card in the entire game. I have conceded 100% of the time after it's played because I have lost hundreds of times and know that a infinite value card played on turn like 3 or 4 is just too broken. The amount of times they play Symphony of sins and get Sargeras at 3 mana is BAFFLING. Both Symphony of Sins and Sargeras don't just need minor nerfs, they need HUGE NERFS. Symphony should cost 7 mana, Sargeras should cost 10 mana, and when they draw their highest cost minion, it should not be reduced in cost, AT ALL. They should be forced to play it at 10 mana, because if they play it at 10 mana they win the game. Also reverberations is broken, the Warlock really needs a priest spell as well? They not only get the strongest titan in the game, they also reverberations YOUR TITAN and get to play BOTH TITANS. Yeah what a joke, please tell me who ever is in controll of making, nerfing, and buffing the cards is not the BIGGEST WARLOCK fan. Huge bias, Warlock is the best class to ever grace this game and I don't even concede after seeing Sargeras or Disco Warlock anymore, I concede to all Warlocks the second I see that I am playing vs a Warlock. Take your free wins you pathetic cowards. Abusing the strongest class, hope you feel good making it to legend with no skill.

They listened to you!

Objection! and Counterspell MUST say "When your opponent summon a minion/casts a spell that costs 3 or less, Counter it. otherwise it's just spectating some random guy playing Solitare. I know it's not the worst thing in the game atm, but imo something must be done

80% ?? hahah.. What if I told you I have 97% with Discolock right now, with an absurd 58W/2L ? I play hearthstone since launch, and this is without a doubt the most OP deck to ever existed in this game, not only it wins against everyone, it does very efficiently, with a lot of my games ending on TURN 3!! lol

80% overall winrate ? How is that even possible ?

I thought the game balance was supposed to break when decks get over 55% win rate. There is a serious problem if what you say is true because we're supposed to get panic balance changes whenever we hit the 55-60% ceiling, are you telling me they officially stopped giving a shit about Hearthstone ?

But hey this is what happens when you print a top 10 cards of all time and buff 2 insanely good cards in a deck that already has over 50% winrate in an already broken metagame.

It’s Tuesday. Where is the balance patch? Isn’t this the day they usually push patches?

Not just discarding cards, but CHOOSING the card to be discarded. It kinda goes against the whole shtick of discard. Previously it was "lowest / highest cost card" which you still had to be mindful of just what was in your hand you could toss a Soulfire instead of some other 1 cost card, for example.

In before they change the warlock location to 2 charges and think that'll balance it. Card would still be extremely good at draw 1 with 2 charges, because discarding cards is an UPSIDE.

You can change the title in : when Warlock will be fixed in standard AND in twist And in Wild