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Ok so Deathknight's plagues have always been strong and very annoying. But with the removal of SteamCleaner, WHAT IS THE COUNTER PLAY? I play Reno decks and I just lose instantly. I've been thinking about instantly conceding because the stupidity of the balance team deciding that Plagues need to dominate the meta. Also, the plagues are definitely glitched/bugged. The amount of times ONE plague card is put in your deck and THE VERY NEXT TURN YOU TOP DECK THE PLAGUE IS LIKE HIGHER THAN 50%. It is such a high chance of drawing plagues, that it's obvious that the rng isn't fair. And that the numbers are skewed to draw plagues way more often than you should. BRING BACK STEAMCLEANER OR GIVE US SOME WAY TO COUNTER PLAGUES. IM TIRED OF DRAWING THE PLAGUE THAT INCREASES THE COST OF MY CARDS RUINING MY ENTIRE CURVE AND ENDING THE GAME. I AM ALWAYS TRYING TO SURVIVE UNTIL TURN 6,7,OR 8, AND WHEN I GET TO THE TURN I DRAW THE PLAGUE WHICH INCREASES THE COST OF MY CARDS BY 1. Like how is this still not either nerfed, or given a way to counter??? The second you run into death knight as a reno you just lost. I understand there are counter matchups but, atleast give me ONE CARD (Steam cleaner), that I can put in my deck to give me even A FIGHTING CHANCE. It isn't fair that I just insta lose to deathknight. PLEASE DO SOMETHING FFS!!!

Quote from Zelenyah >>

Objection! and Counterspell MUST say "When your opponent summon a minion/casts a spell that costs 3 or less, Counter it. otherwise it's just spectating some random guy playing Solitare. I know it's not the worst thing in the game atm, but imo something must be done

 I think we can leave the spells doing exactly what they do. Just make them both cost 4 mana. And nerf the minions that make the secrets cost 0, i'd be fine to reduce the costs of secrets, but to have them at 0 is too much. Remember if you have 10 mana, playing around counter spell and objection is a PIECE OF CAKE. The reason why counter spell and objection are so dominant right now. Is because they play minions that keep reducing secrets and adding more. So they are able to play 2 counter spells and 2 objections within like the first 6 turns and it's too devastating. You can't interact with the board because they counter everything. So we just need a little more mana to deal and interact with the two secrets. The way to solve it, is to make it so they can't play a million secrets in their first few turns. Simple fix. Idk why the balance team struggles so hard with this stuff. 

Quote from Alan3000 >>

Agreed

Symphony of Sins Literally murder 7 know cards below

• Tickatus Corrupted version
• Valdris Fergorge
• Keli'dan the Breaker
• Infernal
• The Dark Portal
• Dreadlich Tamsin
• Hellfire
• Drain Soul

So the changes should be

Symphony of Sins: Cost 6, each Movement cost 4:

• Movement of Wrath: Deal 5 to all characters
• Movement of Pride: Draw your Highest Cost Minion. Reduce its cost by (5)
• Movement of Greed: Draw 5 cards
• Movement of Gluttony: Give a minion in your hand, deck and battlefield +5/+5
• Movement of Envy: Remove the top 5 cards from your opponent's deck
• Movement of Desire: Lifesteal. Deal 5 damage to the enemy hero
• Movement of Sloth: Summon a 5/5 Demon with Taunt and Reborn

 Alan I agree with the thoughts but I don't think some of these are enough of nerfs. I do not think movement of pride should even reduce cost by 5. Even that is still too strong in standard. That would make Sargeras cost 4 which is still too dominant. I think Sargeras should be DEFAULT cost 10 mana, and that it should reduce him by (1) which would put him at 9. Essentially, if the Warlock makes it to turn 9, or 8 with a coin, they automatically win the game. Unless they nerf the taunt minions this is the only way. The fact of the matter is, the minions having taunt is too much defense for them each round on infinite value. Movement of Envy, removing 5 cards from your opponents deck for even 4 mana is really strong, I'd be fine with settling for 4 cards, but i'm inclined to say 3. 3 or 4 for sure should be going range. Otherwise, it's great to discuss with someone with an actual rational and reasonable changes. While we disagree on little, we agree on much. I just hope those in charge of the changes, are as competent as two random Hearthstone players on a forum are. Perhaps me and Alan3000 should be recruited to work for the balance team on Hearthstone? Because of recent it's been an absolute joke and a pathetic performance by their balance team. No wonder multiple people got fired, its time for some change. There must have been too much complatency there.

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Quote from Intelligentguy33 >>

But Warlock still has the most broken cards in the STANDARD meta as well! 

I don't see any sing of warlock being strong in the mini-set meta, so maybe you could kindly show us your OP warlock deck stats that you farm R1 legend with over9000 wr?

"I don't see any sign of Warlock being strong in the mini-set meta", Perhaps if you opened your eyes you would see it's staring at you in the face! Go to the standard forum I posted if you want to discuss that, this is for wild. And I don't buy for one second that you're being genuine in your request btw. I will be EXTREMELY blunt because we are tired of Warlock meta rn, and I represent the people. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume not that you lack intelligence, but that you are just simply ignorant of the matter. If you go to my forum, I pasted the wr of the most popular used Warlock deck in the standard meta, it has an outrageous 80% wr. 80%... If 80% isn't enough for you, then we can all assume that you've possibly been raised in a public school system or once again, are just ignorant, which is fine... There are actually people who know what they're talking about. Go to my forum on Warlock in the standard section. I show the historic WR%, and discuss my thoughts on the broken Warlock cards that have gone too far.

The link to my forum in Standard: 

https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-game-modes/standard-format/254947-warlock-is-also-the-best-class-in-standard-guess

This first youtube link is a live video of Ecore100, a well known as respected frequent top 100 player. I start the video at 1:29:20, so if it doesn't go there for you, go there now. And watch him rant on the stupidy of Warlock at this current time. He says what everyone has been feeling forever.

https://www.youtube.com/live/-StFFqODWlU?si=3yq9lUwp5kWQEsXD&t=5354

Ok this second link is the WR% of the most commonly and popular Warlock deck used in standard. Obviously it includes, Sargeras, Reverb, Symphony of Sins, etc... The WR never goes below 60%, and was actually at 70% for a while, and maxed out at 80%!!! DISGUSTING!!! Any deck above 60% is a huge problem. To hit 70% or 80%, deserves a riot.

https://hsreplay.net/decks/d8jLQEJ1VQdWVixxlnhkYe/#gameType=RANKED_STANDARD

No they are incompetent and lazy. They should hire someone who is in legend to give their professional thoughts on balance changes. They are clearly in over their head. The fact that any decks are at 70%-90% wr demonstrates that it was either inntentional or they are incompetent. Could be both unfortunately. The thing is, most people say, "Oh it's just wild who cares". But Warlock still has the most broken cards in the STANDARD meta as well! Symphony of Sins costs only FIVE mana, and each spell within costs ONLY THREE MANA, then they can draw their Sargeras and reduces its cost BY SIX MANA... These numbers are INSANE. Then they have a 3 mana, discard SIX of your opponents cards. I mean it's an absolute JOKE. Either the creator of the cards is bias, or completely in over his head! 

I think Symphony of sins need to be nerfed harder. I think it should cost 6, the other spells it gives you shoud all cost 4. The movement of pride card which draws your highest costing minion and reduces its cost by (6), needs to be changed. I'm fine with them drawing their highest cost minion. It should be reduce cost by 1. And Sargeras should be changed to 10 mana. Also movement of envy, discard SIX of your opponents cards is downright broken. 3 mana disard 6 of your opponents cards is DEVASTATING. That is WAYYY TOO STRONG. 

This first youtube link is a live video of Ecore100, a well known as respected frequent top 100 player. I start the video at 1:29:20, so if it doesn't go there for you, go there now. And watch him rant on the stupidy of Warlock at this current time. He says what everyone has been feeling forever. Symphony of Sins into Sargeras is essentially what shadow essence is for the Resurrect Priest in wild. It is a 6 mana card that summons a 5/5 copy of a minion from your deck. What makes this card strong is it gets out a powerful minion earlier than expected. Symphony of Sins into movement of Pride is essentially the same thing although perhaps even stronger. The Warlock knows that it is gaurenteed to hit Sargeras, whereas PRiest usually runs 1-2, or even 3 minions in Big Res Priest. We are tired of Symphony of Sins into Sargeras. Nerf both. It shouldn't reduce cost of the minion by (6), maybe by like (1) yeah sure... And the Movement of Envy, 3 mana discard 6 of your opponents cards is also broken. The Value is too much.

https://www.youtube.com/live/-StFFqODWlU?si=3yq9lUwp5kWQEsXD&t=5354

Ok this second link is the WR% of the most commonly and popular Warlock deck used in standard. Obviously it includes, Sargeras, Reverb, Symphony of Sins, etc... The WR never goes below 60%, and was actually at 70% for a while, and maxed out at 80%!!! DISGUSTING!!! Any deck above 60% is a huge problem. To hit 70% or 80%, deserves a riot.

https://hsreplay.net/decks/d8jLQEJ1VQdWVixxlnhkYe/#gameType=RANKED_STANDARD

Once again, win %, and various statistics obviously don't logically result in necessary conclusions. But CLEARLY, a deck that is far above 67% is a VERY VERY strong deck. Well it hovered around 70% for a few days, then sky rocketed to an unfathomable 80% wr for a few days. Anyone who says Sargeras, Symphony of Sins, Reverberations, and Forge of Wills do not need massive nerfs are LIARS. Or ignorant some would say, but I don't buy it. They are the very people abusing these decks and they just finally want to feel like they are in controll and actually good at the game and not just the fact that they are simply abusing over powered and broken cards. All of my friends are complaining about Warlock, how come they are the best in all formats? In Standard, they have the best Titan, which is 99/100 game over the SECOND they get it onto the field. Which I actually DON'T have a problem with. It's just the fact that they can get it discounted so frequently and PLAY IT FOR 3 MANA. Yeah that's completely broken! The Symphony of sins cards also need huge nerfs, movement of pride should draw your highest cost minion, and maybe reduce cost by (1). No more than that. Movement of Envy needs to be DRAMATICALLY NERFED, discarding SIX cards from your opponent is BROKEN. It should be reduced to THREE cards discarded. EVEN THREE is too much. WHO DECIDED THAT SiX CARDS WAS A GOOD IDEA?? Warlock gets the best titan in the game, the fastest way to get it, they also become a mill class, and they also use reverberations to take your titan as well? Yeah, I've clearly dominated any pathetic attempt of rebuttal. Any attempt to rebuttle any of my points above, all of us will just assume you are a Warlock abusing main and don't want to lose your power.  Warlocks, not only do they get the best titan in the game, they get reverberations! So they have the best Titan in the game, then they GET TO PLAY YOUR TITAN AS WELL!!! Wow, who decided that the Warlock should get a priest spell, and made it an epic so they can run two of them! Please don't make it too obvious that the very people in charge of balancing the game have the biggest bias to Warlocks and demons. Interesting fact, on the 26th (yesterday), the deck hit a 66.6% wr. Wouldn't be surprised if Demons were possesing the balance team at this point! 

https://hsreplay.net/decks/QjFDtbWpKPpCrLRrnLv3Sd/#gameType=RANKED_WILD

I know win % and satistics are not the end all be all. But you can definitely derive from these statistics, and make a inductive conclusion that, Discard or "disco" Warlock, not only is the best deck in wild, it is the best deck to ever grace the game past, present, and future. We know that a 60% wr for decks is good, around 60%-67% is very good. Discard Warlock has maintained a whopping 80% WR, and there were even some days where it hit 90%!!! 90%!?!?!?!? This screams at the laziness, and incompetency of whoever's job it is to balance the game. And I know this is just wild, but still. Enough is ENOUGH, BALANCE DISCARD WARLOCK ALREADY! 

This was posted sept 15. AND THEY STILL have not nerfed Sargeras OR discard Warlock. Anyone saying that these are NOT the two strongest decks in wild and standard, are just the exact losers playing these decks to hit legend for the first time in their miserable lives! And it's disgusting! Discard warlock has had a 80% freaking winrate this past week, last time I checked, a deck to have between 60%-67% was on God like status. 80% is just downright the best deck in Hearthstone history, broken beyond recognition. So unfair and advantageous of a deck, that it's a joke and they are a joke to not fix it! And in standard, by far, not EVEN CLOSE, Sargeras is the best card in the entire game. I have conceded 100% of the time after it's played because I have lost hundreds of times and know that a infinite value card played on turn like 3 or 4 is just too broken. The amount of times they play Symphony of sins and get Sargeras at 3 mana is BAFFLING. Both Symphony of Sins and Sargeras don't just need minor nerfs, they need HUGE NERFS. Symphony should cost 7 mana, Sargeras should cost 10 mana, and when they draw their highest cost minion, it should not be reduced in cost, AT ALL. They should be forced to play it at 10 mana, because if they play it at 10 mana they win the game. Also reverberations is broken, the Warlock really needs a priest spell as well? They not only get the strongest titan in the game, they also reverberations YOUR TITAN and get to play BOTH TITANS. Yeah what a joke, please tell me who ever is in controll of making, nerfing, and buffing the cards is not the BIGGEST WARLOCK fan. Huge bias, Warlock is the best class to ever grace this game and I don't even concede after seeing Sargeras or Disco Warlock anymore, I concede to all Warlocks the second I see that I am playing vs a Warlock. Take your free wins you pathetic cowards. Abusing the strongest class, hope you feel good making it to legend with no skill.