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What the !@#$$ is that?  Board after board after board and even if you remove every board they STILL end up with a full board of like 70/70 worth of stats that just blow through big taunts and whatever else.  C'mon.  Why are these cheap buff spells allowed to trigger twice?  Who green-lighted that?  When we can expect this to be properly nerfed?   They are so worried about priest or other decks that really arent this bad.  How did this escape the nerf hammer?

This is an OTK deck and Blizzard cals those UNfun so they've ruined all the other ones.  Time to get rid of this one.  It isnt aggro at all - its a pure OTK deck.  So stupid.  And as usual it takes zero thought.

Because they are assholes.  Its more broken than ever and they suck at the game.  Thats why. 

No doubt that face HunTARD is king.  Its braindead, simple, can be played by a proboscis monkey & wins games for you.  Its perfect for this mouth-breather meta.  Bear in mind though: Winning with face hunter doesnt mean you 're good at the game.  Not at all.  The deck wins for you. Fact.

Do face hunTARD players think they are good players?  God I hope not.  They are fucking invalids that defy human physiology.  How dumb and mentally slooooooooow can one person be?  Do face  HunTARD players have to use special keyboards to mitigate the drool? 

Its like here they are:

Quote from Torpedo007 >>

I got 3 words for you, Deathrattle Demon Hunter

 Yep - braindead and broken.  Perfect deck for the masses.  Its so ridiculous.  It has unlimited everything.  Easy wins and no thought required. 

Fucking joke.  Dont even bother if you have a brain.  Its so fucking stupid how obscenely powerful aggro has become.  Getting legend with aggro is the most worthless, stupid thing ever in the history of card games. 

Here is the average aggro player:

Can the  window-lickers that insist on playing Raza Priest please do the world a favor and go kill yourselves.  Any way you see fit is OK but please do it.  Thanks.

Oh and secret mage is a braindead deck requiring only a pulse to win with.  Its NOT the player that wins with it.  100% the deck.  Fact  Just want the vegetables that play that deck to know.  That is, if they can read & write.

Quote from emkarab >>

Everyone who believes in these conspiracy theories should just learn how to play. And learn mathematics. And stop thinking you are so special and you run into perfect counters all the time. What about players that run into you, huh?

And stop playing netdecks everyone knows how to play against. I made to legend with Stealer of Souls Warlock (in standard) this month and have no problem to reach it every season if I have time to play. Tournament level players or streamers also seem to have no problems about it. Only poor conspiracionists need to explain why they are just not good enough.

Quote from emkarab >>

Everyone who believes in these conspiracy theories should just learn how to play. And learn mathematics. And stop thinking you are so special and you run into perfect counters all the time. What about players that run into you, huh?

And stop playing netdecks everyone knows how to play against. I made to legend with Stealer of Souls Warlock (in standard) this month and have no problem to reach it every season if I have time to play. Tournament level players or streamers also seem to have no problems about it. Only poor conspiracionists need to explain why they are just not good enough.

 What  a load of crap.  You reach legend(allegedly) or shall we say the DECK did using broken shit that was even banned in wild.  You want props for this?  The game has no skill involved there, Spanky.  legend is just grinding broken decks.  Thats it.  Anyone that actually thinks  this game takes skill is dumber than probably already expected.  There are no conspiracies - theres just facts: This is a casino-level game with ridiculously Tier-0 decks that "get" people legend.  It means nothing.  Do it without a cancer deck and we'll talk but no one ever does.  Another fact. 

Quote from Saber_L >>

Take it slowly and easy because patience is key. Grind ,grind ,grind and grind. It can be frustrating but trust me - being persistent gets you there. Don't change decks too often, even if you lose - take a break and the return to the grind. Always play with a deck tracker which helps a lot. Use maximum of 2-3 decks which you play the best, make changes to your metagame, if you face mages add a secret eater, if you face demon hunters put in some low-cost removal, change your deck in a way to adress your  opponents. Have i told about being patient?

 That all sounds good but you are at the mercy of the matchups & draw.  Thats how it works.  Changing your deck is BS advice.  That NEVER works. As soon as you tech something in you'll never face whatever you teched for.  Ever.  Changing your deck is the same issue: It doesnt work.  

Quote from sanchogrande >>

It's just a simple simulation. None of the numbers in my post do anything other than illustrate two things:

1. Even if you are good at this game, getting from D5 to legend can take a ton of games.

2. Two equally good players can have very different experiences getting from D5 to legend. 

I could have just written those two points, but I think the numbers are illustrative. You can definitely calculate a standard deviation on average number of games required to get to legend. I took into account that you can't fall below D5. 

Finally, I never said "55% winrate skilled players", so you probably shouldn't put that in quotes.

 The amount of sheer variance, polarized matchups and incredible amount of luck really takes skill out of it completely.  Even once you to get to D5 Platinum.  There is NOTHING special at all about the play level of players from D5 versus P5 or even G5.  None.  Its the decks that do the work as you climb, not the players.  How do I know - because thats whats happening right in front of me game after game.  I use a Reno Hunter variant because I dont care to abuse the try-hard decks like most do.  Winning with clearly broken decks doesnt have as much satisfaction as doing it with something off beat. 

The problem is that from D5 down its split between 4-5 brutally ridiculous decks that are soaking with cancer.  Some form of recruit/divine shield Paladin, Secret Mage, Rez priest & Control Warlock.  Then, you'll get a mix of that fucking Druid deck that sets each player to 1 mana crystal , Some face hunter variant & an OTK mage.  Maybe a Kingsbane Rogue.  Of course, my deck has a very high win rate against a few of those but then has like a 0% win rate against others.  Games are over usually when they start.  I know how its going to go or I need to draw 1-2 key cards early to have a chance. Or its over.  Thats the decks & draws deciding games, not players. Cant play cards you dont have in hand.  Cant counter full boards of buffed minions if you dont have the cards to do so.  If your Dirty rat doesnt pull XXXXX card then you lose.  If your discover or their discover does or doesnt pull the right "out" or card then the game ends there.  Those are the facts.   Its just a casino.  Climbing at these ranks is simply just using one of the big 5(or a few select others) busted decks and grinding it out.  You'll luck your way there eventually, even each season. Doesnt mean you're better than anyone else at the game though. If you choose to try and do it without a busted deck its not going to go well. 

Its 100% luck at this stage, really even before that.  You either draw what you need or you dont.  Nothing you can do.  Roll dice, hope for the matchup wheel to bless you.  Hat to break it to ya..... but thats the truth.

This game takes zero skill and you'd have to be a fucking moron to think it does.  Thats all.

Quote from sanchogrande >>

Speaking of the grind, here's some info.

If you have a 55% win rate, on average it will take 117 games to climb from D5 to legend. 

BUT, the standard deviation on that is huge. A decent # of 55% win rate players will get there in 20 games, and about the same number of similarly skilled players will require over 400 games. So luck is the largest determining factor in the grind. Of course, those who get lucky and get there in 20 games will naturally believe that they are extremely skilled.

With a 51% win rate, the average goes up to 220 games, and the standard deviation is more than double.

 

 

 And there it is - its a joke to think there is any skill, like once you're past silver levels.  Its just a casino and grinding with a cancer deck.  Those are the facts.

Quote from NaweG >>

I wasn't sure if I should say anything further on this, but after the last two days I'm feeling like I should say something. Have played 43 games since I hit D1 and 2 stars. I am playing the same deck that got me up there. Out of those 43 games, I have lost 35. I have been up against folks using Legend backs 16 times, and have faced off mainly against Priests, Demon Hunters, and Shaman with a couple mirror and a couple Druids for "flavor". Only one Rogue, but unfortunately for me they were playing the Crystal quest and had the right pirate and spell to complete the quest on turn two.

Basically at this point I'm feeling like trying to make the climb was a huge mistake. I'm sure I'll be told I should just "get good", and perhaps I really was only lucky to get that far. But it does feel a little broken to put in that effort and see so few results from it.

FWIW I'm back to D4 and 3 stars, and still trying to make the climb, Just feeling like it's much less likely I will succeed.

In case anyone wonders if it's REALLY that hard to get to Legend. I would vote yes :-)

 

 Its ONLY hard because the Cancer decks are refined and in full blown BS mode.  Its not the players.  Nothing to do with it.  Its 100% based on matchup and early draws.  The games are so one-sided usually that they are over by turn 4-5, even in control games.  Conceding is usually a great time saver and probably increases your win rate.  Legend is a function of grinding a cancer deck.  Nothing more. 

What deck are you using?