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I tried res priest, beat one and then barely lost two. Very tough to beat. 

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That fact the Lord J was once an OP meta card to the disgraced place he's in now just goes to show the insane amount of power creep Hearthstone has suffered.

This is one of my favourite cards and I did the legend lock climb back in the day he was good. Honestly, the issue isn't Lord J is bad, it's that paper creep and instant counters have been created to the enth degree, making him all but unplayable. While some cards need to get HoF to make room Jarax is on the other end of the scale.

The best way to fix him isn't buff him or "fix" the interaction. It's to balance power levels in new expansions better. Don't flood decks with discovery mechanics and RNG get of jail mechanics. I believe it's commonly agreed on that hero cards are OP and usually some what broken, these are the best examples of gone too far. Now because of 20+ damage combos from hand power creep, Jarax is just a liability at best.

I wish it weren't so, but I don't feel a change is necessary either. Guldan HC pretty much outvalues and has a better HP than Jaraxx will ever have in wild. And he could naturally rotate back into meta in standard as current expansions rotate out.

Just curious, what was a good LJ deck back in the day? I've been playing since about June 2016 and I don't remember a single time that Jaraxxus was ever in the meta...tbh I've hardly faced him at all in playing for 4 years.  Whereas every other Classic Legendary has been in meta at some point or another in my experience (Cenarius only recently with Quest Druid, but still).  

Shudderwock. Rot in hell. 

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I will and appreciate the suggestion. For me when I did hit legend it was via a crazy 5 game win streak at level 1 that somehow put me in the 800’s at Legend. I wonder if that is affects MMR now. 

 They didn't give specifics, but the MMR is based on a long history of playing the game. 

As for the ladder climb, it's always going to have bad stretches of getting stuck at a particular rank for awhile no matter how they set it up, same stuff happened in the old system. I've been legend multiple  times, but would be stuck at Rank 7 for hours. Combination of bad luck, bad matches, bad meta, etc. I'd come back later and winstreak to 5 out of nowhere. 

 

Which is where the system has serious flaws.  Like I said, I made legend on a flukey 5 game win streak at Rank 1 on one occasion, and I wasn't high legend or anything (800's).  This was over a year ago.  If historical ranks affect your current MMR than I think I have an inflated or artificially high MMR which is making the grind tougher and more challenging than ever.  Anyways...just gotta wait for the new expansion to drop tomorrow and focus on something else for a it.

Just curious as to why you've put in Al'ar in this deck...doesn't really seem to fit.

Gotta disagree here. The old grind was 25 stars (rank 5 to legend) the new system is technically 15 (Diamond 5 to legend), however more like 45 if you have 8 stars lr below due to the brutal, punishing MMR - Ie it’s very tough to go on 3 game win streaks.  I’ve said before and will say it again, this system is a steaming pile of dog shit. 

Gotta disagree here. The old grind was 25 stars (rank 5 to legend) the new system is technically 15 (Diamond 5 to legend), however more like 45 if you have 8 stars lr below due to the brutal, punishing MMR - Ie it’s very tough to go on 3 game win streaks.  I’ve said before and will say it again, this system is a steaming pile of dog shit. 

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an old interview on the MMR system

Let's suppose what you say is true - this would be the case for casual mode since conceding in legend lowers your MMR. The MMR in the new ladder system is lowered too after a concede since many people report they face easier opponents that way. And since Blizzard haven't stated otherwise explicitly in their FAQ (where they commented on MMR tanking from Season to Season) this pretty much means your MMR drops when you concede.

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Tried to ladder a bit today and was closer than ever to deleting the game. This is complete and utter shit. 

Just give it a break for some days and you'll be fine.

I will and appreciate the suggestion. For me when I did hit legend it was via a crazy 5 game win streak at level 1 that somehow put me in the 800’s at Legend. I wonder if that is affects MMR now. 

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Apart from this MMR debate - been playing for 5 days now and this is brutal. I have always fairly easily reached rank 5 previously and thought I would try to make legend for the classic legendary this season.

Raced up to gold 5 easily and thought this was great at first. Now stuck at Platinum 5 which already feels like the previous rank 5 to legend grind (ie one win, one loss and getting nowhere).  This could be due to this meta not being for me, or just not being great at any of the current top decks but as I’ve said I’ve never really had issues hitting 5 before (have hit legendary on one occasion). 

Not sure if I will continue playing ranked further as this has been an incredibly frustrating and boring experience pretty much as soon as I hit Platinum 5 and lost my stars. Frankly I think this new system is a steaming pile of dog shit. 

 Do you still have a star bonus? The new system is pretty clearly set up to cater to players who consistently hit rank 5 plus / have high enough mmr to get at least the plus 9 star bonus. If you don't have that it's essentially as grindy if not more so than the pre-2018 setup. So far as I can tell they're attempting to further incentivize players to spend more time playing relative to the prior ranking system, but the new system is needless to say relatively punishing for players who don't have particularly high mmr / have not achieved high rank in the season prior. 

No I started with a star bonus of 8, definitely finding it far, far more grindy and frustrating than the previous system.  Although I thought it would be faster to hit legend  (15 stars away from Diamond 5 vs the 25 from the old rank 5) but after losing my stars at Platinum 5 I’m having probably the worst experience I’ve ever had playing Hearthstone (been playing for almost 4 years now)  

Tried to ladder a bit today and was closer than ever to deleting the game. This is complete and utter shit. 

Apart from this MMR debate - been playing for 5 days now and this is brutal. I have always fairly easily reached rank 5 previously and thought I would try to make legend for the classic legendary this season.

Raced up to gold 5 easily and thought this was great at first. Now stuck at Platinum 5 which already feels like the previous rank 5 to legend grind (ie one win, one loss and getting nowhere).  This could be due to this meta not being for me, or just not being great at any of the current top decks but as I’ve said I’ve never really had issues hitting 5 before (have hit legendary on one occasion). 

Not sure if I will continue playing ranked further as this has been an incredibly frustrating and boring experience pretty much as soon as I hit Platinum 5 and lost my stars. Frankly I think this new system is a steaming pile of dog shit. 

Stablehand. Make it discover and then summon a beast. 

Of course I won this with my pre-order.  Sigh.  

Hmm I raced up to Platinum and now am facing the grind - don’t recall getting to rank being this long. Only hit legend once before and thought so would do it again for the classic legendary but this seems worse than the previous system. 

You guys did well.  I got 4 legendaries which is still good, posted by results in the mega-bundle thread but here they are again

Didn't count my epics but I seemed to get a LOT including the two Pally librams which I'm happy about

Legendaries:

Lady Vashj

Al'ar

Zixor, Apex Predator

Beastmaster Leoroxx

Was really hoping for one of the 5 I wanted but can't complain with 4 in 55 packs and pleased with the two hunter legendaries (won King Krush at last like a few days ago so the game reallly wants me playing hunter right now lol).  

So I did the regular pre-order (ie not the mega)

Didn't count my epics but I seemed to get a LOT including the two Pally librams which I'm happy about

Legendaries:

Lady Vashj

Al'ar

Zixor, Apex Predator

Beastmaster Leoroxx

Was really hoping for one of the 5 I wanted but can't complain with 4 in 55 packs and pleased with the two hunter legendaries (won King Krush at last like a few days ago so the game reallly wants me playing hunter right now lol).