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Hey I am almost rank 42!  Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

Hey wondering if I can make an edit to fix a few things in my post.  I made one slight typo in the hero description, and just realized that you can actually change the color of the hero banner. 

The Archaeologist

Gelena is all about adventure and shiny things. What she lacks in intelligence, she makes up for with bravery and optimism!  So what if she just broke the seal unleashing an ancient evil upon the world? That kinda stuff is common in Azeroth! It  will sort it's self out by tea time.

Gelena's whole focus is digging to the bottom of her deck as fast as possible to find the answers she needs. I understand having a class based around card draw is a dangerous design choice. So I have to key rules in mind for this class.

1: This is at it's core, a defensive class, focusing on surviving and winning with late game value and combos. Every card I make will attempt to deter aggro

2: I am going to avoid giving this class hard removal. Having a class with this much draw and strong removal options would be no fun to play against.

So what is going to encourage players to draw through their deck like madmen? That is where her new keyword comes into play.

And to verify, the bonus occurs when the card is played, not when the card is drawn. These cards will help Gelena win the value game against her opponent when both players trying to outdraw each other.

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Yeah, I was going to say something about the art as well...there's plenty of decent art featuring Rehgar out there, especially since he became a character in HoTs...the cartoony thing really doesn't fit very well.

I wouldnt rly say there is plenty of decent art out there. Only other two decent pics iv found r these

but the first one is more shaman-y than anything and the second one id like to save for DK card (if i get that far lol) :X To be honest, i dont even like the second one, but he at least looks (un)dead-ish there, so i can use it for something.

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Yeah, I was going to say something about the art as well...there's plenty of decent art featuring Rehgar out there, especially since he became a character in HoTs...the cartoony thing really doesn't fit very well.

I wouldnt rly say there is plenty of decent art out there. Only other two decent pics iv found r these

but the first one is more shaman-y than anything and the second one id like to save for DK card (if i get that far lol) :X To be honest, i dont even like the second one, but he at least looks (un)dead-ish there, so i can use it for something.

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Eager Defender: Pretty good, but is the +2/+2 buff permanent? If not, does it carry over to your enemies turn? I think you need to make that more clear. 

 

Im not gonna make too many weapons for this class, there will be like one per expansion. And also while i am goin to try and make some different Momentum cards that can give permanent effects or something like that, i will try to balance it out with the fact that u might not need to spend 2 mana for hero power every single turn. That being said, Momentum only works during your turn, and only on the turn your hero attacked, so some of those minions r much weaker during your opponents turn than during yours.

Parry: yeah, the effect would just "stay there" for the rest of the game, until an enemy would attack your hero. I know it might be a bit weird, if the opponent forgot about it or something, but even if they did, the downside for them is rather negligable, its "just" a "heal" for you, so not like its super punishing or anything. Its just a nice and flavorful way to give this class some defensive tools. And you draw a card on the turn you play it, that part is not tied to the blocking of attack. (Shiv, Flare)

Eager Defender: i have written its (and all other cards) description in a spoiler :P guess u havent look hard enough :/
Seemingly simple card with hidden complexity; on your opponent's turn its just a 5/5 taunt, but on your turn, if your hero attacked, its a 7/7 minion. The hidden complexity comes in the Health buff part, it acts as "heal" or a "dmg cushion", since the base Health is 5.
Imagine scenario: Your opponent pinged the minion and it ended up as 5/4. Your turn. You attack with your hero, Momentum activates and the minion goes to 7/6. You go face and end your turn. The Momentum deactivates and the +2/+2 buff disappears, but the base Health is 5 so ithe minions sits at 5/5. Hope it is clear how would this work ;-)

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 'Drawn with an effect' seems a little too vague. Does it include the Hero Power? If I were you I would change it to say: 'Gain a bonus effect when drawn by a Card or Hero Power'. I understand it does not look as clean, but it makes much more sense.

As for your Hero Power, it seems very powerful, especially considering how good your class cards are. In Warlock you usually don't use the card you draw right away, so considering that the 'can't use' aspect does not seem like a downside. I would change it to making it two turns, so making the wording: "Draw a card. You cannot use it for two turns" or something more clean if you can thing of it.

Temple Guardian: This card works well with the class, and because of that I think 3 mana for a 5/5 seems too good. I think a 3 mana 5/4 would be more fair. 

Heart of Ice: I'm fine with the effect, but as someone mentioned above, the effect doesn't match the artwork and name. Change it to something that makes more sense.

Other than that I really enjoy this class, I will definitely vote for it when it goes up. Good luck!

 My reasoning behind the hero power is that while it is a direct upgrade to Warlock in most situations, you cannot draw at the start of your turn, making you lose some flexibility. I will still rethink the hero power though, especially if I get more feedback from others.

Temple Guardian I can agree with.

The hardest part of Heart of Ice was thinking of an item to represent the card, I thought of a heart because when squeezed it could emit a pulse, but it is kinda a stretch. Any ideas on what to swap it with?

Thanks for the feedback and support! Knowing I have at least one person that is going to vote for me is actually kinda motivating!

 I think you should stick with the current Hero Power then, the flavor is pretty awesome and I would hate for you to rework it to something else. In the form it is I do think it is powerful for the reason I stated before, but its probably not too powerful to be considered over powered. 

As for the Heart of Ice:

I think this makes a bit more sense, some sort of dug up weapon / bomb. I did change the expansion symbol since it no longer made sense as a KoT card.

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Ok, so this should be the final thing before submitting, there r some new cards in there and i will show the ones i think id like to showcase and rest will be in a spoiler, feel free to tell me your thoughts on the cards etc., thanks!

Gladiator

Rehgar was a gladiator and gladiator-slave owner in his early days. He even owned Valeera and Varian "Croc-bait" Wrynn for some time. Ultimately, he decided to retire from the gladiator business and became one of Thrall's advisers. But fear not! Rehgar is back in the action and ready to relive his glory days in the alternate universe of Hearthstone :)

New Keyword: Similar to Enrage, but the trigger is "if your hero attacked this turn". It is basically an "aura" effect, that is turned on by your hero attacking and turned off at the end of your turn. (The flavor is, you attack and create an opening for another action(s) > hence Momentum.)

Example:

For example, an existing card Silithid Swarmer would read

Class Identity:

• Strong Arena class
• Minion focus
• Extra advantages from being in board control / attacking with your weapon(s)
• Weak AOE
• Minimum life gain / protect mechanics

Cards for the Phase I submission:
(i would probably showcase Chef, but he is MSoG as well and i feel like Meanstreet Brute is a better card to show off :/)

Rest of the cards i have so far:

Notes to individual cards:

Basic set

• Clean Sweep: strictly worse Consecration, cause strong AOE is a main weakness for this class. But a solid arena card nonetheless, that would always be avaliable since its from Basic set.
• Parry: ok, the card is fixed now! Thanks to Teknician and Mewdrops for suggestions. I can move it to the Basic set as i originally intended and it will represent the basic way of protection for this class. Yay!

Classic set

• Throwing Knives: simple card that introduces how the new mechanic works.
• Centurion: simple card that shows the main focus and strength of the class, decent minion on its own, but gets an extra advantage from your hero attacks each turn. The effect ends at the end of your turn, so you have to attack again next turn to actiavte it once more.
  Additional exmplanation: The minion is a 4/8 on your opponent's turn, every time. The effect doesnt give any permanent (and/or stacking) buffs. its like an aura that turns on when your hero attacks and turns off with the end of your turn. Hope that explains why this card isnt OP as some thought that it is a permanent buff :)
  

Whispers of the Old Gods

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One Night in Karazhan

• Z-00 K33-P3R: im rly proud of this one, i think i managed to capture the flavor of menagerie cards while not making it a buff card. Btw thanks to Teknician again for the perfect name suggestion!
  

Mean Streets of Gadgetzan

• Meanstreet Brute: this will (most likely, like 95%) be the only card from all sets to have this effect. It is a quite unique one, given its the only other way to trigger Momentum other than by your hero attacking.
• Chef Gash'nul: well, the original idea was to make a MSoG card from a Grimy Goons family ... i wanted to go all in on the buff your minions thing, but it kinda ended up as a combo of The Mistcaller, Mukla's Champion and Grimestreet Enforcer. Not sure im too happy about how it ended up. You tell me, thanks!

Journey to UnGoro

• Loremaster's Halberd: im quite happy with this one, nicely represents the strengths of the class in all main aspects. The name might be a bit weird for someone, but i took the art from the Loremaster Pooth artwork, so i just went with it. Who is to say that loremasters cant become gladiators or that gladiators cant get hands on their weapons? I think the flavor is there, given its an UnGoro card :)

Knights of the Frozen Throne

• Bone Horror: very simple minion, but very effective. Better stats and cheaper than Bloodworm, cause class minion and all that. But also no beast tag. This class will not have many ways to heal or defend itself, so this would be one of very few tools in its disposal. Mby i could make it 5/3, if it feels too strong, but that would weaken the card significantly, also dont rly want to do 4/4 tbh.
• Eager Defender: seemingly simple card with hidden complexity; on your opponent's turn its just a 5/5 taunt, but on your turn, if your hero attacked, its a 7/7 minion. The hidden complexity comes in the Health buff part, it acts as "heal" or a "dmg cushion", since the base Health is 5.
  Imagine scenario: Your opponent pinged the minion and it ended up as 5/4. Your turn. You attack with your hero, Momentum activates and the minion goes to 7/6. You go face and end your turn. The Momentum deactivates and the +2/+2 buff disappears, but the base Health is 5 so ithe minions sits at 5/5. Hope it is clear how would this work ;-)

Kobolds and Catacombs

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Alright, if anyone feels like givin me feedback, i would appreciate it. Leave a link to the post with your class, so i can return it, if i didnt do it previously (or you want some more)! ;-)

 

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I'm new here, never felt like posting before although I love this site, however I somewhat got interested by this year's CCC (I like the idea of challenges) and I thought i'd give it a go. So, well, as a great RPG lover I got my idea from a D&D/Pathfinder class that never got really popular despite it being based on a really cool concept: the Soulknife. Now, I still have to decide whether to keep the original name or to change it, probably the former though. For those who don't know him, a Soulknife is a fighter who's able to generate weapons with spiritual energy. His so called mind blade can be shaped in any form making him a versatile and adaptive warrior. So that's what I thought as a start, still working on the cards.

Tokens:

So, well, his Mind Blade is not really a blade, it can even become a bolt shaped projectile. But that was the name in the official class and that's one of the few things I want to keep together with the class name itself. The only thing here that has to be explained maybe is the mind dagger... the only important thing is that its power is not a deathrattle, and, if it's somehow buffed and destroys a weapon you'll still equip a new mind blade losing the old one together with its buffs (unless you've buffed it with Combine, read below). I'm also considering a mind shield:

However I'm not sure about it. It's basically a divine shield that can be removed with oozes, could give more survivability, but you lose the certainty to always trade small minions with your hero power... Still as the class is probably going to be based on weapons, this might become interesting if buffed.

Lastly I'll go with the keyword. Right now I have thought of 2 possibilities:

The first one might seem overcomplicated, but it's actually pretty simple: if a card has "Learn (2)(Spell): Draw 1 card", each time your opponent plays 2 spells you draw a card (each time the effect activates the counter resets). The requirement might be a card type as well as its cost or tribe, or there might even not be a restriction (in very few cases). It makes the Soulknife an adaptive fighter who "learns" from your opponent plays, punishing their repetitiveness while enhancing his own cards. Something like "A cheap trick like that only works once".

The second one is more obvious for such a weapon oriented class: when you have a weapon with "Combine" as a keyword you don't have to worry about it being destroyed when playing another one, as it will gain all of the remaining stats of the previous weapon, as well as its bonus effects (one sidenote though, I probably have to add "the other" before "effects", meaning that the new weapon won't gain the "Combine" effect (also to gain more design space)). This would make our Soulknife even more weapon oriented, with the ability of combining his weapons to enhance their stats and might either lead to a more aggressive playstyle (yeah I'm looking at you, Pirates, but I mostly hate those guys, so I'll have to find a way to prevent abusing this power) or control-ish with mechanics similar to Kingsbane rogue decks (but different under several aspects).

So that's all right now, I know my ideas are still quite confused and in the early stages, but I've actually started to think about this today. Any review for the current stuff will be gladly appreciated.

 

 

Ok second round, this time I'll focus more on Combine. If that doesn't work I'll bring back Learn in the following form (Learn (XXX): If your opponent plays two (XXX) cards, this card gains a bonus effect.). I feel like it could actually still have a chance.

If you want to read about the lore of the class read the old post above.

The Soulknife

 

Thanks GearOFF for your help with the keyword. I was wondering if saying "and other text" would be better, but I think this way it's clearer. Anyway let's go with the new tokens generated by the hero power.

So I changed them all to better work with the Combine mechanic and the weapon buffs that the class will get. I am unsure on 2 points: Mind Bolt, as the mechanic may seem a bit too much for an hero power, in that case I could just make it a 2/1 weapon like before; Mind dagger, as it's useless without buffs/combining (that's still the main theme of the class) and I'm also still not sure about the artwork, in case I could change it to lifesteal but I don't know if that's allowed on hero powers. That said I'll provide some example cards, this class will focus on combining normal weapons with energy made Mind Blades, I'm still missing most of the Weapons (there will be at least one for each set), but these cards will give you an idea of what kind of class I'm creating.

As of now a lot is missing:

Liquid Blade is just the basic card to learn the Combine mechanic.

Storm of Blades is Consecration, but instead of doing 2 damage to the enemy hero you get a weapon first (and you might even highroll spell damage).

Energy Channeller facilitates Combining weapons.

Gar'hal gives sure high-rolling (I know I know you're wondering what will the improved hero power be now that I can't copy shaman, well actually I already have the answer ready, but I'll be waiting for the TGT challenges to be posted before).

Mantis Warrior is what's left of a reactive class to your opponent's plays, there will be more like this card, and also more weapon buffs ofc.

Forging the Mind is useless with the cards shown right now, I'll be releasing more tomorrow though.

Also a couple of cards that still need tweaks and might change both in name and artwork (any idea is gladly accepted on those guys):

In particular I think the cost and stats might not be appropriate for both of them. Mireya might even be completely game breaking with her effect (although actually you just need a taunt to stop her), so maybe I should rise the cost to 8 and/or lower the base stats. The crystal guardian probably needs a better artwork, also maybe making it cost 9 or 10 might balance it more. Please let me know what you think about it.

Thanks in advice for any reply guys.

 

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I've tried to cook up something with the limited time currently on my hands (as usual). All the cards are not likely to be final versions, I just wanted to show the general idea of the class. I hope the cards and class identity are pretty self-explanatory, cause I'm off for bed now.

Engineer

The new keyword is Augment (any suggestions on the wording?).

 

  

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 'Drawn with an effect' seems a little too vague. Does it include the Hero Power? If I were you I would change it to say: 'Gain a bonus effect when drawn by a Card or Hero Power'. I understand it does not look as clean, but it makes much more sense.

As for your Hero Power, it seems very powerful, especially considering how good your class cards are. In Warlock you usually don't use the card you draw right away, so considering that the 'can't use' aspect does not seem like a downside. I would change it to making it two turns, so making the wording: "Draw a card. You cannot use it for two turns" or something more clean if you can thing of it.

Temple Guardian: This card works well with the class, and because of that I think 3 mana for a 5/5 seems too good. I think a 3 mana 5/4 would be more fair. 

Heart of Ice: I'm fine with the effect, but as someone mentioned above, the effect doesn't match the artwork and name. Change it to something that makes more sense.

Other than that I really enjoy this class, I will definitely vote for it when it goes up. Good luck!

Ok here is the second draft of my hero. The Archaeologist Class!  

This class is based around drawing through your deck as much as possible. But I want to class to lean more towards control and combo decks than aggro. So I made the hero power this

A nerfed version of the previous hero power. I am really curious how balanced this one is, and it's the first place I want feedback.

Here is an example of a card locked by the Excavate Effect (Particles will be reworked in the future)

(sorry Millhouse, you gotta wait a turn.)

To promote card draw I have given the class the following keyword.

And here is my new batch of cards for the class. I am curious if the basic set meets the requirement for tour de azeroth.

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Hey I have two questions. So my cards cannot produce tokens, but what about art changes? I have a card in my head where the art changes based on how buffed it is (kinda like what Jade Golems do.) 

And am I allowed to show off my quest? That requires its own token card, so I want to know if it's fair game.

 Currently you cannot show off your Quest, as it would presumably create a unique Token card and we don't want those for Phase 1. You can hold onto the idea for a later Phase, though.

In a similar vein, I'd chill with the art changes for now: they don't affect gameplay, and while potentially interesting they're not really anything more than simple flash. You should devote your time and energy toward creating a good first impression that doesn't rely on such things, you know?

Hey I have two questions. So my cards cannot produce tokens, but what about art changes? I have a card in my head where the art changes based on how buffed it is (kinda like what Jade Golems do.) 

And am I allowed to show off my quest? That requires its own token card, so I want to know if it's fair game.

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Current ideas!

New Keyword: Tome. This shows up like a secret but visible to both players. They are buffs to your hero that will cancel under a certain condition. Makes deck building really interesting especially the more you try to have active at once.


Class Focus: Spell Heavy, tomes, for the rest of the turn style effects, some self damage with lots of cards that deal damage multiple times (maybe), multiplet tribe synergies to further boost archetypes made possible by the hero power.

What do you guys think?

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Behold everyone! The first concept for my class is complete. I introduce you to Gelena Runeseeker the Archaeologist!

 Gelena's whole focus is digging to the bottom of her deck as fast as possible to find the answers she needs! I understand having a class based around card draw is a dangerous design choice. So I have to key rules in mind for this class.

1: This is at it's core, a defensive class, focusing on surviving and winning with late game value and combos. Every card I make will attempt to deter aggro

2: I am going to avoid giving this class hard removal. Having a class with this much draw and strong removal options would be no fun to play against.

So what is going to encourage players to draw through their deck like madmen? That is where her new keyword comes into play.

This effect is still a work in progress, as the class originally did not have a new keyword. But I wanted something to push the card draw theme of this class. 

 

 

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 The class looks promising, I liked many of the cards, my favorite might be the Temple Guardian, stuff that keeps you away from drawing cards sounds counter-intuitive for your class, but perhaps that is what makes it that daring and also key as tech stuff against mills and so. In fact, I can't but think this has a lot of uses, maybe even allow a sort of aggro/midrange/tempo deck to happen.

The hero power, however, might be a bit over the top. You basically force players to keep killing soft taunts because at the moment someone puts two workers and you can't kill them quick you have almost won. Also, I think Saftey Inspector is written wrong (safety), and inmune is a keyword.

Just out of curiosity, if I get to fatigue, take 1 damage fatigue, then draw and take 2 damage fatigue, do I have a Voxrul with 9 or 10 Attack?

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@HenryXLII

Not too sure what to do with the hero power. It just seems too strong even as a 0/1, Slightly weaker than Mana Tide Totem for cheaper without a card. Might need reworked a bit.

 So I have come up with some potential reworks for the hero power. None of these are final, but they are potential directions to go.

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 The class looks promising, I liked many of the cards, my favorite might be the Temple Guardian, stuff that keeps you away from drawing cards sounds counter-intuitive for your class, but perhaps that is what makes it that daring and also key as tech stuff against mills and so. In fact, I can't but think this has a lot of uses, maybe even allow a sort of aggro/midrange/tempo deck to happen.

The hero power, however, might be a bit over the top. You basically force players to keep killing soft taunts because at the moment someone puts two workers and you can't kill them quick you have almost won. Also, I think Saftey Inspector is written wrong (safety), and inmune is a keyword.

Just out of curiosity, if I get to fatigue, take 1 damage fatigue, then draw and take 2 damage fatigue, do I have a Voxrul with 9 or 10 Attack?