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BGH reads: "If a minion has attack greater than 7 deal damage equal to its health"

I think this would be a great change to the card.

1) It addresses the problem Kibler pointed out, if Warlock gets giants out early you can still deal with them efficiently.

2) It will still kill most of the current annoying minions like Dr. Boom, Ragnaros, etc.

3) It allows for "shitty, unplayable cards" to at least have a chance.  Cards like Mogor, Thermaplugg, The beast, Majordomo to have a chance to be played and not auto-lose when they are dropped.

4) It allows future game design to be based around this card as well.  They can introduce bigger minions that will actually see play without fear of dying instantly and losing the game.  The cost will be the big minons have lower HP after getting BGH and since it's a 3 mana card they can use other cards to get rid of the creature - not just one 3 mana card that creates a HUGE tempo swing.

What do you guys think?  Is this legit?

EDIT: I fucked up...I meant "If a minion has attack greater than 7 deal damage equal to its health minus the difference between its attack and health"
 But this may be too confusing...I just wanted a way for some of the unplayable creatures to be played

Quote from Klavinoid »

I must be a complete idiot, but if you deal damage equal to somethings health... wouldn't that kill it?

I fucked up...I meant "If a minion has attack greater than 7 deal damage equal to its health minus the difference between its attack and health"
 But this may be too confusing...I just wnated a way for some of the unplayable creatures to be played

Original Blood Imp

maybe try mulligan hard for removal? SW:D? And light of naaru! sorry good luck!

No Problem! Good Luck! Added Heroic Emp Tharissan as well..also Priest!

Nice! I added the Priest I used for Emperor Thaurissan as well! Good Luck!

Bloodmage Thalnos hands down....Van Cleef doesn't always see play, thalnos ALWAYS sees play in Rogue...too good of a card for the class.

Quote from WoodDragon »

I have been playing Hearthstone since the beta and not once have I ever been compelled to search the web for a "netdeck" to help me cruise through the rankings. The point of a card game is to come up with your own unique combination of cards and play with them, that is how new decks get discovered and how the meta of these types of games improve. When you have the vast majority of players using clones of pro decks, however, you get a stagnant meta as we have now where people only play the "best deck" of that current ladder season. I don't get how these players gain any joy from what is essentially them being a professional players proxy at best, I mean really when you win with a deck some pro came up with, its almost like you aren't playing at all because so much of the game is how you structure your deck. I am sure some players are content playing whatever the pros do, but it just seems like a terrible idea to me. Your idea isn't winning, a pro's idea is winning for you. I hope this wakes up some of the better players here and gets them to try more innovative decks as I routinely do. This will help diversify the meta and give you an actual sense of accomplishment when you win with a deck you actually had to come up with. Crazy concept right ;)

The point of a game is to have fun.  If this is how people have fun then so be it.  Not everyone can be a great deck builder.  A lot of the pros work with people that help build decks for/with them.  The fact that they share their refined decks is up to them.  People are allowed to have fun however they want, and should be able to do so free of you whining about it.

I was a really huge fan of Miracle Rogue....

last one i tried it was Oil Rogue....i really hated that deck. i  mean i did awesome plays with it too and a lot of wins but it's really draw thing deck type that if you don't got what you really really need, you're dead already,

So you loved miracle, but hated oil rogue because if you don't get your draws you're dead?  You mean kinda like Gadgetzan Auctioneer?  Sorry, I'm just failing to understand how you loved miracle and hate oil rogue when they're basically the same conceptually.

Cool deck tho, like how you brought a newer control archetype!

Another push for Deathrattle Rogue?


Let's look at the card first:
-4/2 = 6 stats. Worth 2.5 mana (vanilla 5-drop has 11 Stats), so the effect has to be worth at least 2.5 mana to be fair which sadly isn't enough nowadays

-Discover a deathrattle minion. Would be ~1 mana ( Journey Below ), amazing as a 3 drop, fair as a 4-drop with just this.

-Choose 1 out of 3 deathrattles. Worth anything between -1 mana (classic minions with negative deathrattles, worst case scenario all 3 discovery options are of this type) and up to +6 mana (Silver Vanguard in a way has  Gather Your Party).
OFC Rogue has been getting their own deathrattles, notable are Cursed Castaway and Kobold Illusionist,Sherazin, Corpse Flower would be interesting.

(+)Potentially insane value. Very flexible.
(-) Occasional disastrous low-rolls and puts a dead card into your hand. Somewhat expensive, slow turn 5.

Where does she go?
A perfect fit for recruit/ big rogue (something like that one deck Dane is always playing). A nice flexible tool that also gives you reload.

It probably will not push the deathrattle rogue that Blizzards wants to make work. Roll the Bones is too inconsistent, Lesser Onyx Spellstone is difficult to upgrade. Blightnozzle Crawler seems to be a worse Vilespine Slayer. Maybe more card reveals will make this work?

I would be surprised if odd-rogue ran this, it's somewhat slow. 

Entitled much? The fact that YOU don't want it without the tag means nothing to them. 

They didn't "swap" card art - they very slightly altered it, which they've done multiple times in the past with other cards.

If you want to make an appeal to logic, it helps to not sound completely hysterical.

agreed. this meta is probably my favourite (that I played at least.. well obviously, LoL) due to the diversity of decks being played, and that all classes have something that works.

Usually there was at least one class each meta that sucked compared to the others. It doesn't seem to be that way now.

Cool little things like these actually show (alongside some good nerfs a while ago), that Blizz is seemingly taking Hearthstone a bit more seriously. I like that, tbh. 

Quote from SpAsM >>

"We have a balanced meta now, please dont count the few cards that came from the most recent set, or you'll notice how poor our planning was for this expansion. And whatever you do, DO NOT REALIZE that despite the lack of witchwood cards baku and genn will define and ruin your meta for the next 2 years. Thanks."

 This topic has been beaten like a dead horse. It's a GOOD THING that there aren't that many witchwood cards. If there were, that would mean that the expansion would have created an even more powerful meta, powerful enough to eclipse the K&C and KFT cards that are currently in so many decks. Look at the cards. The whole idea was to reset the powerlevel and set the foundation for new mechanics and decktypes. And that is exactly what we have.

Not to mention that Baku and Genn has created many new archteypes and made previously never played cards viable through the even/odd restriction. That's something few people expected and I think that's pretty cool.

IMO the game has been entirely balaned around BGH now with absurdly overbudget 7+ atk minions (now and in the future) that HAVE to compensate for the "danger" of just having too much atk. In this regard, BGH is absolutely the very basis of the entirety of HS's meta (until they shut the damn servers down, nerf it, or just power creep which would be even worse). 

But seeing as how the damage was done a long time ago, now the only thing i can't even remotely fathom is how in the actual f*** this card ended up with an mind-blowingly low 0.5 mana deficit (even if it is the HP) from a vanilla 3M 4/3 minion for a barely conditional assassinate that regularly kills things more than twice it's mana cost?

If BGH didn't exist, certain classes would definitely suffer (see the first sentence), but aggro would still do what it does, and control would either run another big minion to do what it did or have more early game, like they do now with the decks that don't run BGH. Beyond offering a bandaid in place of terrible class spells (development error), BGH mostly just succeeds in completely shutting down a lot of fun, interesting, lore-relevant cards that they spend time AND money making.

TL;DR: run Ironforge Rifleman instead of BGH and enjoy your new win rate (they're both dwarves, the comparison is legitimate)

Make sure you read the description before asking if a card that was trashed for this play style is a good option. ; )