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The current state of the game along with the recent unpopular decisions Blizzard has made recently has eroded the trust and goodwill from a lot of players. As a result everything Blizzard does will be seen through this lens of dissatisfaction. Every disappointment will be more disappointing. If something isn't good then it's automatically terrible. At this point Blizzard needs to be on the ball and Ungoro needs to be EXCEPTIONAL for a lot of people to start giving Blizzard the benefit of the doubt again and chilling out. 

 The rewards aren't about helping the players, it's about stemming the flow of people leaving the game and doing damage control. If it were it wouldn't be a limited time. 

And really, why would Blizzard bother when there are legions of fanboys who enjoy the wallet rape? Who would refuse free money gladly given? Blizzard might be pretty stupid about the game sometimes but that's just a silly game. They would never make a mistake like that about money. 

Shadowverse needs to do it because they don't have the same type of fanboys eating up everything they shit out. Why would Blizzard need to take action to keep improve the game or make it competitive when they already have legions of fanboys defending anything they do? That wouldn't make any business sense. 

You say you only play Control decks yet the only Control you play is Reno, the most cancerous of Control decks. Did you only start playing it when MSG came out too? 

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I wholeheartedly disagree. I'm a F2P player as well, and I always preferred large expansions over adventures. You tell us to look at LoE and the impact it had, but then I would like you to take a look at Karazhan and at how much it failed in filling the gap between WoG and MSG with new content. Those are 2800 gold right there that I regret ever spending, and even if I disenchanted all the cards from that adventure that I didn't need, I would have gotten more value from buying 28 packs. That's 140 cards, at least 28 of them rare or better. Take into account that some of them will be golden (giving you more dust), disenchant anything that you consider "filler" and you'll easily be able to create a new competitive deck for the class of your choice.

Besides, you're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say that there'll be 50/60% of "completely unplayable filler cards" and on the other hand you worry about not being able to accumulate more than a third of the card pool. Why would you want to if all of that is filler anyways? Just focus on the cards you need and ignore the rest. Even if there's cards you're missing, chances are that you can substitute them. There's plenty of common-rarity cards with a high power-level that don't require aggro play.

And if you think ~400 new cards is bad: In 2016 alone, Magic: the Gathering released ~950 cards for Standard play, with another 184 just a month ago. And that's a game where you can't disenchant/craft cards or get free packs here and there. Play M:tG for a year, and Hearthstone as a whole will seem like an act of charity to you.

But where is the fun of exploration, creating your own decks, trying out new cards and so on?  By the time I may have a couple of competitive decks, a new rotation cycle comes around. I realise that on these forums majority of players are several levels above casual and thus my concerns won't resonate with a lot of people who do have every card in the game or who are happy to sink 4-5 hours each day on a game. 

 You can still do that if you try. You wanna know with how many packs I started MSG? Eight. Six of them were from the expansion release quests, and two of them were from the measly 200 gold I had at the time. And I still had a blast. Any card I didn't have, I substituted with something from previous expansions, and I tried my best to work with what I had instead of just netdecking the new best deck like other people do. I barely had enough dust to craft one legendary as well, which forced me to really think about how to use my resources, and I still had no trouble reaching Rank 10 after two weeks into the release. If that kind of thought process is too much work for you, and you don't find enjoyment out of making the best out of what you have while also refusing to pay to obtain more, then maybe card games are simply not for you. Hearthstone is already generous as it is, and they're already going to give us adventure-like missions to help us obtain cards even further. Without any additional cost, I might add.

There is a point as a F2P player where you have to choose between focusing on competitive decks and ranking up, or simply letting things happen and play around/experimenting on a low rank. You can't expect to have both if you don't pay up. That's not how the world works. Also, OF COURSE people that spend more time on a game will draw more benefits. That's video games as a whole for you. No pain, no gain.

Just be glad that we have the standard rotation, otherwise the card pool would be even bigger and even more unattainable.

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Honestly, I love the change. Adventures bring a small amount of cards, and most of them are useless fillers. That means, after 4 months of waiting for a new expansion, we get almost nothing, and that makes the game even more boring a stale. That's why Karazhan is considered to be one of the worst expansions, if not the worst.  

And expansions bring a large amount of cards, and most of them are useless fillers. Instead of spending 3000ish gold for a dozen meta-relevant cards with adventures we can spend 3 or 4 times that with expansions to get the same result without the extra value of a simple story or challenge designs. 

Wow! What a deal!

You say Karazhan might be the worst expansion but despite that label it stilled allowed for decks like Secret Hunter, Beast Druid, Discolock, and Resurrect Priest to become viable. No need to mention what it did for shamans either. Over half the cards from Karazhan saw real play. 

Now compare that to Gadgetzan. 3 times the total cards released and did it achieve the same results as the worst adventure? Blizzard only has a certain amount of cards that are good with each release regardless if they release 30 cards or 130 cards. Adventures simply didn't make you gamble for them. 

 Wow that is short-sighted. Tell me which Karazhan cards are seeing widespread play now is it Beast Druid, Discolock, Secret Hunter or perhaps none of the above? Under the right circumstances Hand Buff decks are likely to become strong (when the next expansion releases), but I doubt Karazhan's impact will be long lasting and as such you can't talk as if the fact that a part of Karazhan's card saw play for a limited time is enough to consider it a success over MSG that currently has some unexplored archetypes in it. Besides as time passes and with experience I am expecting the cards they introduce to contain less fillers and better card quality, but the fact that not 100% are viable is ok. Would you want to have to buy/craft all the cards of every expansion?

"It's not as bad as the next guy" isn't a justification for something being bad. Just saying. 

What a bunch of lying hypocrites. They keep using "returning players" or "new players" as justification for their inaction on one hand but then they do something like remove adventures and classic cards. Those are the players that would get hit the hardest with those changes. The Whale has no problems since they'll just drop real money into the game until they get what they want and the hardcore player already has a strong foundation for each expansion with gold and dust saved up. 

When a new player joined the game they bought classic packs and adventures to get "caught up". Returning players focus on the adventures as well since they at least have a foundation from Classic cards. Now instead of a strong Classic set to prop them up and adventures to get reliably strong cards they can...? Spend real money to get 60 packs just to get a bunch of filler cards and a shitty legendary that doesn't see play?

Wow, that's such a great 'Welcome'!

I want more than 4 deck types seeing any real representation (pirate aggro, jade, kaz/reno, dragon), 5 if you include Miracle Rogue. And within that you have Paladin, Hunter, and Druid to a lesser extent seeing little play. In addition, the current archetypes are so strong that most classes only have one viable deck. You face a Rogue? It's Miracle. Face a priest? It's Dragon. Face Warlock? It's Reno. 

I find it ridiculous that I'm awaiting the new expansion not because I'm excited for new cards but because I want most of these decks to be rotated out. 

Yes I do mention that in my post, like 3 sentences in. Excercise your brain and read?

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Aggro is dull and boring. You play 6 to 7 turns and then get a meaningless win.

How about asking about a deck where you skill and thinking come into play to be able to outwit an opponent into a win where it actually means something. 

Aggro is for players who have no clue what to do so they just play whatever cheap card is in their hand. Hearthstone would be better without aggro,

 Actually, aggro does require a great amount of skill. There have been several pro players and caster saying that as well.

With aggro 1 misplay can instantly lead to defeat, with control 1 misplay doesn't have to mean as much. So you might not have as much decisions in a single game, but it is really punishing. trying to be top tier with aggro is way harder than trying to be top tier with control. And yes that does come from a aggro player. But still I believe its true.

Shudderwock Shaman for sure. Stalling all the game with multiple aoe, hex, healing rain, then hope to draw combo pieces in order to win. Even more irritating when they played that Keleseth turn 2. I don't know why people are still playing it since it's not good and must be so annoying to play 15 turns game when everything is decided if you draw your answer in time or just get overwhelmed by aggro. Volcano is too much of a punish and almost impossible to play around, doesn't matter if you have 2 big minions or 5 small, it's still a 5 mana full clear.

Shudderwock OTK... The most retarded brainless piece of crap ever released by Blizzard.

It might be because Wild is not competitively supported by Blizzard and the majority of people are instead interested in standard so the website makes content that appeals to the most amount of people.

First off - this isn't a salty "I lost" post so if your only answer is a link to the salt thread please go elsewhere.  I'm also really focusing on standard as that's what I mostly play.  There are two main points - OTK decks and Hall of Fame.

OTK

I feel like there's a lot of inconsistency in the design philosophy of the cards blizzard release when compared with previous statements, nerfs and hall-of-fames (HoF).  In the past the general message appeared to be that decks should be "fun and interactive".  Consequently mill and OTK decks which aim to stall and/or collect combo pieces were actively punished by nerfs and by having key cards rotated to HoF.  Decks like mill rogue, freeze mage, get-in-here warrior no longer exist as a direct result of this.  Yet the recent expansions have have introduced cards which appear aimed entirely at OTK decks (Time warp, Mecha'thun, Malygos shenanigans, Velen mind blast - there are too many to list!).  Now either Blizz doesn't foresee how these cards will end up being used (which is an unlikely and slightly terrifying prospect) or they've decided OTK is now OK (which seems more likely).  The argument that these decks are generally not competitive doesn't sit well with me as 1) they often are competitive and 2) losing a game because you've drawn against a OTK and you're playing control is terrible for the game.   The decisions made in the game should be as important as those going in to the decks  - after all, many people make no decisions about their decks and just copy the best ones off this site.

HoF  

The existence of the hall of fame has always bothered me.  The argument as I understand it is that some classic cards which will never rotate out are used in too many decks and limit the variability of the decks being built.  I think this is bull.  Cards only get used in too many decks when they're not properly balanced making them better than all alternatives.  Take Ragnaros - Lord of fire.  He was a staple in most control decks because he guaranteed 8 damage the turn he was played and was fairly immune to silence effects.   Would he see play today - maybe.  But the swarm nature of many of the decks would make him pretty ineffective in the current (and recent) meta.  Were he nerfed to say 0/8 with the same effect + gain 8 attack battlecry he would see even less play as silence is so prevalent.   Likewise azure drake would not feature in as many decks with a few tweaks.  Which begs the question - why move them to HoF?  Why do some cards get nerfed to oblivion (Warsong commander) while others get HoF? One argument which can't be made is that the HoF cards couldn't be nerfed without dramatically changing the essence of the card, as that's exactly what happened in the Warsong nerf.  So many of the cards which have been HoF could have provided useful tech options to some of the current meta decks (e.g. Sylvanus might have helped against Shudder and Cubelock decks, ice block definitely helps against some OTK, Coldlight oracle could be a useful tool against OTK decks) and after all isn't that part of what this game is about - seeing what cards are getting used regularly and tweaking decks to counter it?

TL/DR - Does Blizz have a design philosophy at all and why does the HoF exist when we have nerfs?  It feels to me like Blizz has no overarching ideology for how this game should play and is just making shit up as they go.  

Blizzard should think about convert some cards of each expansion into the classic set. Let say that they would do this from the Witchwood expansion foward, when WW rotated out they would know already the cards that would be healthier to be placed in the classic set and stay in standard. Instead of buying WW packs, those cards would now come in the classic pack.

It kills 2 birds with one stone. The classic set would not get smaller (because of the HoF) and player would keep some of their loved cards. 

Bring Dirty Rat back. Problem  solved. No more playing control and concede cause u realize ur opponent is playing a combo otk deck.

Blizzard listen!!! DIRTY RAT DIRTY RAT DIRTY RAT BRING IT BACK!!!!!!

You are not affected by the change cause you didn't craft her, but you run your mouth like you know everything. Well allow me to tell you that all your points are invalid.

The cards you get from the other class are 100% random, she just uses again that card. About 20% of the matches you'll get a board clear that kills your minions too (i.e. brawl) or a powerful spell will kills her (silence or polymorf), after nerf it's a bigger chance that you'll lose that 20% of the matches. That's a nerf, no question about that.

Activision already started to make changes to other games they publish without announcing the players (see Destiny 2 problems in the past year). Some players crafted the card with the dust they got for dezenchanting the cards they got with money, so I'd say the editors were nice enough, they could have said: blizzard steals from you. What do you want, for them to congratulate the team for doing such things.

I hope that you see you are wrong and hear my humble message: STFU BLIZZ FANBOY!