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LMAO. You're gonna want to nerf the only actual fun deck to play?

 

Highlander priest is just a 30 cards bin with all the draw cards of the game, i don't see what is funny in there. Mage and warlock with the dks are 100x more funny to play than this shit 

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 My point was that the counter that you are asking for DOES exist. Just pick a decent aggro deck "et voila"! You have a counter to Priest which works pretty well without being so overpowered as to beating everything else as well.

 TBH the only aggro decks 'countering' Priest are teched Rogue and Pirate Warrior.

But there are still decks like Quest Mage, Big Drood and Dragon Priests and they are really good as a counters.

Face Hunter is very good against Priest right now. Mostly due to the deathrattle beasts causing a problem with the Priest board clears.
It counters Priest very well, but falls to other more conventional Control decks (which is as it should be, I guess).
Pirate Warrior (while much less used these days except for the small few desperate to still play it) also seems to have a pretty good matchup against it.

Basically anything that aims to kill you by about turn 7, really, before the Priest can stabilise and start the draw mechanics of Lyra, et al.

 

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 Control Warrior was a good deck in its own right. And wasn't built as a pure counter to Freeze Mage.
If you want a good deck that often wins against priest though, choose pretty much any aggro deck. Priest often can't handle it unless they draw the nuts early on.
Fortunately other control decks can beat aggro easily - and that is how it should be.

Think about it objectively for a moment : If you had one deck that could solidly always beat priest. AND it didn't lose to other decks. Then it would basically be unstoppable and would destroy the game. You would have the Pirate Warrior problem on steroids. 
This is not a good thing. 

 I dont want that deck to beat other decks. I just want it exists so it will keep priest in check.

 My point was that the counter that you are asking for DOES exist. Just pick a decent aggro deck "et voila"! You have a counter to Priest which works pretty well without being so overpowered as to beating everything else as well.

 TBH the only aggro decks 'countering' Priest are teched Rogue and Pirate Warrior.

But there are still decks like Quest Mage, Big Drood and Dragon Priests and they are really good as a counters.

 1. Sorry about the mash up of posts earlier. Two different people both kinda tossing the same thing out at once, and it got confusing there. My apologies. 

2. I get the initial "knee jerk" reaction when someone says "but my experience in "xx" games =/= the VS report". I had actually written a pretty lengthy post last night trying to give some specific arguments why we should not take VS reports as "Gospel" in this game. I really don't want to try to recreate that post (that wen't "poof" when Chrome decided to take a crap on me), so I will paraphrase pretty extensively. 

VS data is gathered from a very specific subset of players ... those that are willing to run the client for the data to be gathered. And the vast majority of those players are of a significantly above "average" skill level. I realize VS breaks data down into categories based on rank, but we all know that not every Legend level player pushes to Legend every month. So while they may be presenting data from across the rank spectrum, the majority of that data is coming from Legend level players, or those close to it. This does skew that data enough that it cannot be presented as "fact", at least not as it relates to the game community as a whole. 

While my little sample size may only be 54 games, I believe it is possibly a better representation of the "real" players meta. I am nothing special in this game. I do not sail through the ladder to Legend every month. In fact I tend to struggle at every rank floor, and I grind out every star, every game. I have finally gotten pretty consistent at landing around Rank 6, but also tend to yo-yo back and forth between 6 and 10 for a good part of the season. This seems to be a very common thing when you start to interact with a larger group of "Average Joe's" in the game. Most will spend the majority of a season either bouncing around 10-6, or 15-11. 

And, now with scorpyon, it is the same response ... "only aggro decks countering' Priest are teched Rogue and Pirate Warrior." This just isn't the case. You don't have to believe my 42-12 sample to see this ... just apply some common sense and logic. The deck is, for the most part, a face race, just like Exodia Mage. The best "counter" to it (with the exception of Big Druid), is going to be to kill it off before Turn 8 if possible. This is just forcing people to play decks that otherwise would be more of a tempo deck in an aggro fashion, or switch to outright aggro decks, to counter it. 

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 Control Warrior was a good deck in its own right. And wasn't built as a pure counter to Freeze Mage.
If you want a good deck that often wins against priest though, choose pretty much any aggro deck. Priest often can't handle it unless they draw the nuts early on.
Fortunately other control decks can beat aggro easily - and that is how it should be.

Think about it objectively for a moment : If you had one deck that could solidly always beat priest. AND it didn't lose to other decks. Then it would basically be unstoppable and would destroy the game. You would have the Pirate Warrior problem on steroids. 
This is not a good thing. 

 I dont want that deck to beat other decks. I just want it exists so it will keep priest in check.

 My point was that the counter that you are asking for DOES exist. Just pick a decent aggro deck "et voila"! You have a counter to Priest which works pretty well without being so overpowered as to beating everything else as well.

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Razakus is a no-brainer deck and has no real counters in standart. If you try to tech against it , you will lose to all other decks out there.

There's loads of counters to Razakus.
Jade Druid
Face Hunter
Frost Lich Mage
Pirate Warrior
Tempo Rogue

The list goes on... yuo just need to have a strategy on how to beat him and not panic. It won't always work, but that's the nature of Hearthstone... no deck is infallible.

And what you described is exactly how counter-decks are SUPPOSED to work. They aren't supposed to counter everything! Otherwise they would be OP and pointless.

 It would be nice if we had a perfect counter to keep it in check though.

 You could say that about any deck - and thus cause that deck to never be played anymore.
Which would be detrimental to the health of the game.

 Not rly, control warrior was the perfect counter for freeze mage. Both decks were played a lot.

 Control Warrior was a good deck in its own right. And wasn't built as a pure counter to Freeze Mage.
If you want a good deck that often wins against priest though, choose pretty much any aggro deck. Priest often can't handle it unless they draw the nuts early on.
Fortunately other control decks can beat aggro easily - and that is how it should be.

Think about it objectively for a moment : If you had one deck that could solidly always beat priest. AND it didn't lose to other decks. Then it would basically be unstoppable and would destroy the game. You would have the Pirate Warrior problem on steroids. 
This is not a good thing. 

 I dont want that deck to beat other decks. I just want it exists so it will keep priest in check.

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Razakus is a no-brainer deck and has no real counters in standart. If you try to tech against it , you will lose to all other decks out there.

There's loads of counters to Razakus.
Jade Druid
Face Hunter
Frost Lich Mage
Pirate Warrior
Tempo Rogue

The list goes on... yuo just need to have a strategy on how to beat him and not panic. It won't always work, but that's the nature of Hearthstone... no deck is infallible.

And what you described is exactly how counter-decks are SUPPOSED to work. They aren't supposed to counter everything! Otherwise they would be OP and pointless.

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1. It doesn't need a nerf. Razakus has more than enough counters in the current meta. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

2. All nerfs proposed in this thread will make it unplayable. That's some Blizzard level nerfing, apply for a job with Team 5 while you can.

3. No, I don't even play Razakus.

 Raza priest has only two half baked counters ... agrro, and bad luck. And with enough good luck, even aggro doesn't stand a chance. It is one of the most busted decks in recent history. It gives one of the best control decks out there a near guaranteed win condition, that can be drawn by turn 8. 

 What are you at? Only "aggro" deck which is good against Razakus is teched Tempo Rogue and maybe Pirate Warrior, but PW is like worse Rogue atm. But aggros aren't it's biggest counters. It's worst M/Us are Big Druid, Dragon Priest, Exodia Mage (ofc assuming that both sides are playing M/U correctly) etc.

So please, stop talking things out of your ass if you don't know what you're talking about.

 

To the nerf 'suggestion': It's just straight away killing Raza, he dies 80% just after being played rn, when he's only 5/5, with this nerf it would happen even more often since people would always just use their removal. You are just dreaming in the perfect world where Raza survives on the board and opponent doesn't do anything, but it wouldn't happen more often that like 1 in 15 games, if not even less. So even if you would make this nerf and delete Highlander effect (since without deleting it the nerf would be just Warsong Commander level) i think it would still be too bad to played.

 Please stop vomiting VS stats as if they actually represent how the game plays out in actuality. 

This season, I have won 42 of 54 matchups against priest, with (estimated) 80%+ of those being Raza. With the very small exception of a handful of games I have played with a demon control warlock, every game has been played with some form of aggro(ish) deck. I put the (ish) there, because the line between what defines aggro and tempo is getting pretty blurry, especially against Raza priest, where with only a couple exceptions, you are just going to go face whenever possible. 

As for Raza just dying ... like I said ... err.. like you said ... adapt. Drop something else in the deck that forces removal. Or just use whats already there ... Velen. I kinda find it pretty thick of you to just tell everyone else to adapt to busted decks, but be diametrically opposed to any changes being made to those busted decks. But, just like everyone went berserk because Fiery War Axe got pushed up ONE FREAKING MANA, and instantly proclaimed Pirate Warrior dead, every possible nerf to Raza priest is met the same way. Hell, I suggested just lower his HP down to 1 damage, and that will supposedly make the deck unplayable as well. 

Lol

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1. It doesn't need a nerf. Razakus has more than enough counters in the current meta. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

2. All nerfs proposed in this thread will make it unplayable. That's some Blizzard level nerfing, apply for a job with Team 5 while you can.

3. No, I don't even play Razakus.

 Raza priest has only two half baked counters ... agrro, and bad luck. And with enough good luck, even aggro doesn't stand a chance. It is one of the most busted decks in recent history. It gives one of the best control decks out there a near guaranteed win condition, that can be drawn by turn 8. 

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Nope not tier 1 but maybe low tier 2? Still gets crushed by shaman and paladin so badly I can't see hunter being a significant part of the meta. Definitely a huge improvement over how bad hunter was though.

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gets crushed by paladin 

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I remember all of the naysayers when Yogg was spoiled prior to release - nobody thought that the card was playable.

The Nerfbat does not swing at unplayable cards...

Master of Disguise ...

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You don't get Rank 1 Legend with a weak deck.

 This deck is only slightly better than the same DK Rexxar hunter deck that has been low tier, called sh*t, and beaten repeatedly since the expansion launch. As mentioned, high legend sees a lot of Pirate Warrior, and this deck is somewhat teched for that matchup. 

The beauty of this deck, for me at least, is that I am seeing it all over the place now, and I win about 85% against it with control warlock, regardless of who is behind the wheel of it.

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0-12 at 5 rank (~5 secret mages, aggro hunters/druids/warriors).
This deck is a joke.

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