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@TheMortonator It's late so I'm to tired to type a full review but in short:

 

I apperciate the feedback, but on a basic level I disagree with +3 spells for 2 mana being bad. Furthermore, I explained in my post why I think people overlook the quest by expecting too much value out of it. Yes, starting a card down is a cost. It might be the cost that keeps my varient down. But frankly, without quest elemental mage is just bad period. I don't think all these pushes for minion based Mage can possibly fix just not having the minions to make the deck work. Elemental mage lacks real late game and doesn't have the teeth of decks like secret mage.

 

Basically, in my opinion if you want to run mage without quest don't run elementals. If your goal is to win through Frost Lich alone then that tactic is better supported by making a legit control deck. Having a super cheap trigger for quest is the only "unfair" things elementals do. Arguably neutral non-elemental minions outclass elementals in the elemental deck.

...also don't underestimate 2/1 draw a random mage card when you have Frost Lich. The target is just nice. Possibly nice enough an ideal deck has Loot Hoader in it.

So looking at Arcane Keysmith we have a total of 7 secrets which are:

Counterspell, Explosive Runes, Frozen Clone, Ice Barrier, Mana Bind, Mirror Entity, Spellbender, and Vaporize

Now because we can discover the secret we should in theory be able to get a good secret almost every time. However because the secrets vary wildly in purpose and uses we may not always get what we need for the current situation. Overall it's definitely not bad in the right deck. However elemental mage probably is not the deck for it. We already have a good amount of 4 drops to choose from and this might not synergize enough to warrant a spot in this deck. Although it does offer us some possible tempo I'm not sold on elemental mage running it but I think that it is something to look into.

Quote from OzUnOo >>

You guys kidding right? The kind of versatility that Arcane Keysmith brings is exactly what minion-based mage decks needed. Here's my take at a non-spiteful elemental mage:

TWW Control Elemental Mage Freeze Mage Deck by OzUnOo - Apr 7, 2018 View Deck String Export to BBCode Export to Cockatrice Export to MarkDown Export to Html Clone this deck
Minion (23) 1x Archmage Arugal 1x Pyros 2x Blazecaller 2x Mountain Giant 2x Nightmare Amalgam 2x Bonfire Elemental 2x Leyline Manipulator 2x Servant of Kalimos 2x Steam Surger 2x Tol'vir Stoneshaper 1x Cauldron Elemental 2x Fire Fly 2x Tar Creeper	Ability (6) 2x Book of Specters 2x Flamestrike 2x Polymorph	Playable Hero (1) 1x Frost Lich Jaina
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 Not entirely sure if taking out Tol'vir Stoneshaper was the best choice though, but AK can be good against aggro too, will see.

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Mine:

Elemental mage theory crafting Unknown Deck by MatthiasL3791 - Apr 7, 2018 View Deck String Export to BBCode Export to Cockatrice Export to MarkDown Export to Html Clone this deck
Minion (23) 1x Archmage Arugal 1x Baron Geddon 2x Blazecaller 2x Spiteful Summoner 2x Voodoo Doll 1x Abomination 2x Bonfire Elemental 2x Leyline Manipulator 2x Servant of Kalimos 2x Steam Surger 2x Fire Fly 2x Shimmering Tempest 2x Tar Creeper	Ability (6) 2x Book of Specters 2x Flamestrike 2x Pyroblast	Playable Hero (1) 1x Frost Lich Jaina
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Interesting includes here, abomination for early control with dude paladin. Shimmering tempest for spells. Baron Geddon seems like an auto include. We

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This is my take on elemental mage:

[WW] Maly Elemental Mage Elemental Mage Deck by Poghy - Apr 7, 2018 View Deck String Export to BBCode Export to Cockatrice Export to MarkDown Export to Html Clone this deck
Minion (23) 1x Baron Geddon 1x Malygos 2x Mountain Giant 2x Voodoo Doll 2x Bonfire Elemental 2x Leyline Manipulator 1x Servant of Kalimos 2x Steam Surger 2x Fire Fly 2x Fire Plume Phoenix 2x Glacial Shard 2x Shimmering Tempest 2x Tar Creeper	Ability (6) 2x Book of Specters 2x Primordial Glyph 2x Lesser Ruby Spellstone	Playable Hero (1) 1x Frost Lich Jaina
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So the main idea is that I have 2 win conditions: Frost Lich Jaina and Malygos. The DK is obvious, Maly is another story. We want to play 2x Steam Surgers then a Leyline Manipulator so we have a 14 damage burst with Malygos. With the help of the spellstone, glyph, Servant of Kalimos, Arugal, Zola and Arfus, there is a good chance for an actual OTK.

This is still a WIP theorycraft, but I play something similar on ladder and I can safely say that its favored against cubelock and other control decks. The only issue is aggro, but there are some non-spell based tech cards that could be included like Mind Control Tech. Also if we really need a polymorph effect without using the spell, Tinkmaster Overspark is an option.

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I like what you are saying and the justification for your decisions.

I do have a couple of questions though, how do you intend to grind out your opponent when you are giving them the early to mid-game. Surely you play catch up and then have to get lucky with Frost Lich Jaina?

I say this as Fire Fly, Pyros, and Tar Creeper are your 1-3 three slots which is alright, if you get all three in your hand but with only 5 cards to cover these slots you don't stand a good chance of curving out the beginning...

Then you don't have catch up until Muck Hunter and Meteor, the 5-6 slots.

I'm thinking that in order to have a grindy mage with this expansion, you need Baku the Mooneater...

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1º, all Lifesteal minions are bad, 2º, rush minions doesn't seem powerfull in lategame, 3º this doesn't have taunt.

This card is Dust.

 

"Who am I?"

"None of your business!"

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 It's carried pretty hard by Spellstone. 

Emeriss makes this a 6/24 which honestly is something to look into. Even then Kathrena Winterwisp and Master Oakheart both like this card also. Control hunter really likes this along with alot of other classes.

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I think this card is really overrated and will never see play. Against aggro it is nearly useless, it is a bad topdeck and against slower decks its not that great either. Experienced players usually consider the best play your opponent can do and a lot of other decent moves aswell so this card doesnt add much. There will be very few moments where it happens to turn into a card you fear your opponent might have so you can play around it.

An example: It is your turn 3 against a paladin and he has 4 cards in his hands. His next turn will be turn 4 and you want to play around either blessing of kings or call to arms. What if you dont see either of them, does that mean he doesnt have them? You would do the same as now and play around whatever is more dangerous to you and completely ignore this cards effect. There will be times where you get the right card and succesfully play around it but that will happen too rarely to justify using this card. And that is just with 4 cards in his hands, what about control decks with around 8 cards? You would rarely see what you want to see.

Having this card in your hand over multiple turns is not that much better. You get to see a bit more but you dont know if you see the same card multiple times or if they have 2 copies of it in their hands. It will also be very dangerous to assume an opponent doesnt have a specific card just because you didnt see it after 3-4 turns.

Lastly, drawing this card early can be really bad since you might see a strong card in advance but you have -1 card of your deck in your hand, a card that could have dealt with the problem that a lot of players would have expected at a certain turn anyway.

The only reason why I wont dust this card is so that I dont open another copy.

Of course.

 hearthstone reveals one of the best priest card (if not the best) they never printed and you always have that guy who really needs attention obviously.

if the spy hand thing doesn’t convince you, probably using the card at the good moment should do it. 

 

Against aggro. You’ll use it quickly as an answer.

 

man this card has no downside seriously 

Quote from Kaito1 >>

Am I the only one who currently is most concerned with the task of making a fast Rin deck to "sabotage" priests, mages and other stuff?  Cause a control warlock deck doesn't stand little chance aginst this, if the make the howlfiend treachery thing real it would be to op. But I can't really say now who will be dominant in this ex kabal trio. But if there is no synergy with rin like summoning her or reliably getting the first seal of her dead body and executing the summoning. Gl Hf

 

Good bye Jade. May they never punish us with such horrible mechanic ever again. 

Amen.

Got 3 of them in my first 3 chests... I won ;)

go join the MTG community where a t1 standard deck costs 250$ virtual 350$ paper

Info from "Token" cards

Marin the Fox
-[Unofficial] Treasure Chest (? Mana 0/8): Deathrattle: Add a random Treasure to your hand.
 -Golden Kobold (3 Mana 6/6 Minion) Taunt, Battlecry: Replace your hand with Legendary minions.
 -Wondrous Wand (3 Mana Spell) Draw 3 cards. Reduce their Costs to (0).
 -Tolin's Goblet (? Mana Spell) Draw a card. Fill your hand with copies of it.
 -Zarog's Crown (? Mana Spell) Discover a Legendary minion. Summon a two copies of it.

Unidentified Elixir (I have no idea how this thing work)
-Elixir of Life (3 Mana Spell) Give a minion +2/+2 and Lifesteal.
-Elixir of Shadows (3 Mana Spell) Give a minion +2/+2. Summon a 1/1 copy of it.
-Elixir of Purity (? Mana Spell) Give a minion +2/+2 and Divine Shield.
-Elixir of Hope (? Mana Spell) Give a Minion +2/+2 and "Deathrattle: Return this minion to your hand."


Lesser Jade Jasper Spellstone
-[Unofficial] Jasper Spellstone (1 Mana Spell): Deal 4 damage to a minion. (Gain 3 armor to upgrade).
 -Greater Jasper Spellstone (1 Mana Spell): Deal 6 damage to a minion

Lesser Sapphire Spellstone
-Sapphire Spellstone (7 Mana Spell): Summon 2 copies of minion. (Overload 3 Mana Crystals to upgrade).
 -Greater Sapphire Spellstone (7 Mana Spell): Summon 3 copies of minion.

Rin, The First Disciple
-The First Seal (5 Mana Spell): Summon a 2/2 Demon. Add "The Second Seal" to your hand.
 -The Second Seal (5 Mana Spell): Summon a 3/3 Demon. Add "The Third Seal" to your hand.
  -The Third Seal (5 Mana Spell): Summon a 4/4 Demon. Add "The Fourth Seal" to your hand.
   -The Fourth Seal (5 Mana Spell): Summon a 5/5 Demon. Add "The Final Seal" to your hand.
    -The Final Seal (5 Mana Spell): Summon a 6/6 Demon. Add "Azari, the Devourer" to your hand.
      -Azari, the Devourer (10 Mana 10/10 Minion Demon): Battlecry: Destroy your opponent's deck.

Hold up while I continue the tradition of posting a LEGIT custom card that gets bombed with downvotes, BOOM.

Please don't be mean, am new to forums...