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Okay changed some cards in order to fit more into the basic set and I need feedback on them:

 

Corrupted Flame: Very similar to  Soulfire but can only be used on minions and the discard is specific but since most cards interact with Whelps being in the deck this slows down future plays by possibly not having enough Whelps in the deck.

Warcall: A basic aggro card that doesn't offer insane damage since most dragons don't have more than 5 attack and those that do are 6+ mana which usually in an aggro deck is when you wanna be close to winning then. It also gives your hero some attack to either help in burst or to kill a minion so your board stays alive longer.

Sky Serpent: Rebalanced a bunch of stats to make it not so insane but I need feedback as to whether this is good or should I make it even weaker due to it's power?

@Broeck1 My Dragon's Might Hero power I figured that the Drakes could be grouped up similar to the Dream Cards from Ysera as the main reason why it isn't just dragons is that the power would vary wildy in power as some Dragons cost 1 mana like Twilight Whelp and others cost 10 like Deathwing and it's just to random to be consistent. With just drakes the power is much closer and consistent since most tend to hover around 5 mana and have decent stats.

Okay changed some cards in order to fit more into the basic set and I need feedback on them:

Corrupted Flame: Very similar to  Soulfire but can only be used on minions and the discard is specific but since most cards interact with Whelps being in the deck this slows down future plays by possibly not having enough Whelps in the deck.

Warcall: A basic aggro card that doesn't offer insane damage since most dragons don't have more than 5 attack and those that do are 6+ mana which usually in an aggro deck is when you wanna be close to winning then. It also gives your hero some attack to either help in burst or to kill a minion so your board stays alive longer.

Sky Serpent: Rebalanced a bunch of stats to make it not so insane but I need feedback as to whether this is good or should I make it even weaker due to it's power?

 Okay so here's my last post (hopefully) before I submit my class for this phase. Any and all feedback is welcome!

My hero and his power:

Dragonscale Greatsword: A big weapon that heals like Truesilver Champion but only when used to kill minions so it encourages using the weapon as removal.

Searing Breath: Really the only damage spell this class is getting and with few Whelps is sub par at best, but if you get at least 4 Whelps into the deck it turns into a 3 mana Fireball.

Dragonstrike Commander: A big late game minion that not only puts a big minion on the board but also shuffles some Whelps into the deck in order to keep activating cards that rely on Whelps being in the deck.

Now here's the rest of the basic set

 Now here's the challenge cards:

Sky Serpent: A basic 4 drop dragon that if left alive will turn into a powerful creature that is strong in trading or pushing damage.

Sitora, The Dragon Mother: A very important card that gives this class a Lord Jaraxxus type affect although you'll see in the spoiler below you'll see its different in several ways.

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Yes, it is a battlecry on Dull Claws I just completely blanked on that since I made these at like 1 in the morning. :P Anyway is there any changes you would make to Scorched Earth like maybe 6 damage to yourself? And any thoughts on the True Form's hero power do you think it's balanced as is or should I work on it a little more? Thanks for the quick feedback! :)

Alright finally got around to fixing the cards that were weak/ to complicated and hopefully fixed them.

My hero and his hero power:

 Anyway here are the cards I remade based on feedback and my own review on the cards.

Dragonstrike Commander: Based on feedback I made him WAY bigger and he now also shuffle the Whelps into your deck immediately instead of how he was otherwise.

Scorched Earth: Increased the cost and reduced the damage you deal to yourself since a 2 mana flamestrike is kinda op.

Searing Breath: Pretty much the only single target removal this class is gonna get and shows how having Whelps in your deck can power up cards. (To complicated? If you think so could you give me a suggestion on what to make it.)

Armored Wyvern: Basic 4 drop that gives you some armor not much more than that.

Scales of Gold: My least favorite of the changed cards and this is one that will probably change and I want suggestions on how to change it.

Sky Serpent: Messed with the stats and how it transforms to make it more interesting. Hope it fixed what people didn't like.

Here's the rest of the basic cards and their generated tokens:

 Now here's the extra legendary and the generated tokens.

 Anyway thoughts on these changes and anything you would change?

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I'm reposting this because my original post seemed to have been buried before anyone could give feedback (and I also updated a few things). Here's a reminder of my hero.

 

 

 

 

(True Form also gains you 10 armor)

 

 

 

 Hey I like where your class is headed. For feedback, I think some of these might be too complex for basic cards and many should probably be in your classic set. I think most sets I've looked at are too complex so far. Stare at the existing 9 classes basic cards and try to get down to that level of simplicty, but also value. Here's a rundown card by card.

1. Dragonscale Greatsword: Too complex for a basic. I'd instead give them a big five or six mana weapon with good stats. 
2. Strength in Numbers: Maybe too complex for a basic, but not too extreme. The wording isn't clear, do you mean "Fore every whelp in your deck, gain +1 attack and +1 armor"? As it's written you could see it being just +1 attack and variable armor. You might just consider 2 cards, one "gain +1 armor per whelp" and another "+1 attack per whelp". 
3. Plated Dragon Armor: I kind of feel that 3 things is too much for a basic card. Consider what you really want this card to do.
4. Dragon's Flight: perfect, good basic card.
5. Dull Claws: again, maybe a little too complex for a basic card. Maybe just "if you have a whelp in your deck, gain +2 attack" or whatever the balance is.
6. Scorched Earth: A great concept for a basic card, but I'd recost the mana and self-inflicted damage. Flamestrike is an amazing card, giving a 2 mana flame strike is probably broken. The self inflicted damage is offset by armor, so I'm not sure how much you can really discount. Maybe 4 or 5 mana, deal 4 damage to self? That'd still be a really good card.
7. Heated Armor: I feel like there is probably a better card design for the name Heated Armor than this. Again, i think if/then conditionals might be too much for basic cards. Consider a basic card that just grants 2 attack and 2 armor, similar to Claw. some variation on those numbers
8. Scales of Gold: Too greedy for a basic card. Basic cards need to be easy to use. They might be used in combos with complex cards, but they should function outside of combos too.
9. Dragonstrike Commander: A card which grants another card which is already mimicking your hero power. I'd avoid this design in general. 
10. Armored Wyvern: Again, too combo oriented for a basic card. Basic cards should be the building blocks for combos, but be functional enough on their own. I do think a design like this is appropriate for your classic deck, as you'll need a way to thin your deck of whelps, allowing you to draw into your actual deck.

The Legendary with True Form. I like this idea,  transforming into a true dragon, it appeals to me from a flavor sense. Mechanically, there are some things to consider.

Typically, transforming into a hero resets life and armor. I think you should follow this model, but add an exception. The card text of True Form might read "Transform into your true form, but retain any armor you have". Maybe give the true form 10 or 15 hp. I don't like the hero power at all though. There are too many legendary dragons and otherwise OP dragons. Granting them essentially a 4 cost discount doesn't seem like a great idea.

Consider Jarraxus. He's more than just a really neat card, he fits an important niche in the warlock. When the game goes late, and the warlocks deck is low or empty, or their hp is low, then their hero power Life Tap becomes useless. Jaraxxus fixes that problem, allowing a Warlock to play the long game.

Similarly, your hero power to shuffle whelps into your deck becomes kind of useless in a late game situation, when the last thing you want to do is fill your deck with weak chaff and reduce the chances you draw important big cards. When your deck is empty, paying 2 mana to avoid fatigue damage is nice though, so the player might want that. Not sure how to redesign the transformation, except it should probably give a nice big weapon (dragon breath as a weapon? maybe even aoe?). It'd be kind of uninteresting to turn into a dragon and then just summon other dragons (something you've been doing all game). When you become a dragon, your hero should be star, killing things directly with a weapon or hero power.

 

I'm reposting this because my original post seemed to have been buried before anyone could give feedback (and I also updated a few things). Here's a reminder of my hero.

 Anyway here is a very early idea of what I'm gonna submit:

Dragonscale Greatsword: A powerful control weapon that can be used to gain armor by killing small minions or to heal a little when killing big minions but also has the possibility of being used as an aggressive deck's finisher.

Plated Dragon Armor: A strong defensive card that can turn a dragon into a large wall the opponent has to get through and also gains you a small amount of armor. (This one could also be +1/+3 and Taunt if the card is to weak I need feedback on this one.)

Strength in Number: A very power removal option as the game continues on and more Whelps get into the deck and I made it not able able to attack heroes to push a more control focus instead of a massive burst attack. (Although I'm thinking about reducing the cost to 4 but it depends on what others think is balanced.)

 Sky Serpent: A card that is strong should it be able to kill any minion as it doesn't need to attack in order to transform. (Needs balnce in stats I know. I was tired and as of writing of this I still am.)

Sitora, The Dragon Mother: A extremely powerful card that provides something early game but is mainly to get a Jarraxxus like affect that you'll see in one of the spoilers below.

Now here's the rest of the basic cards.

 Now here's the tokens for the other non-basic cards

 Anyway that is my designed in 2 hours round two cards. Any thoughts or feedback on all of this as I appreciate any and all feedback. :)

Wow okay time to get the early idea up so I can start balancing based on the feedback. Here's a reminder of what my hero is.

 Anyway here is a very early idea of what I'm gonna submit:

Dragonscale Greatsword: A powerful control weapon that can be used to gain armor by killing small minions or to heal a little when killing big minions but also has the possibility of being used as an aggressive deck's finisher.

Plated Dragon Armor: A strong defensive card that can turn a dragon into a large wall the opponent has to get through and also gains you a small amount of armor. (This one could also be +1/+3 and Taunt if the card is to weak I need feedback on this one.)

Strength in Number: A very power removal option as the game continues on and more Whelps get into the deck and I made it not able able to attack heroes to push a more control focus instead of a massive burst attack. (Although I'm thinking about reducing the cost to 4 but it depends on what others think is balanced.)

 Sky Serpent: A card that is strong should it be able to kill any minion as it doesn't need to attack in order to transform. (Needs balnce in stats I know. I was tired and as of writing of this I still am.)

Sitora, The Dragon Mother: A extremely powerful card that provides something early game but is mainly to get a Jarraxxus like affect that you'll see in one of the spoilers below.

Now here's the rest of the basic cards.

 Now here's the tokens for the other non-basic cards

 Anyway that is my designed in 2 hours round two cards. Any thoughts or feedback on all of this as I appreciate any and all feedback. :)

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I won't lie, the fact my submission is not only in last place overall (I think) but has precisely zero votes is kinda irritating. Looking forward to seeing who does get through.

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Finished and posted my storyteller class, check it out!

Most of the entries seem really good, looks like it'll be a fun competition!

 Interesting class. I love your hero power, but I'm unsure about cards like Forge Drake. It feels like a more difficult Inspire, as 1) You'll need to spend resources to put Whelps in your deck, and 2) You might draw them before you can utilize Forge Drake-like effects. What's more, you also discard the Whelps (granted you do get a lot of armor for each, but not THAT much considering each Whelp costs 2 mana to shuffle in), meaning your second Forge Drake is significantly weaker.

I'd rather it be something like: "Discard all Whelps in your deck, gain X Armor for each" (not requiring at least three), "Discard up to three Whelps in your deck" could work if you don't want mass Whelp discards, or "If you have at least X Whelps in your deck, do something."

For now, Smokewhite Drake also seems weak as you haven't shown a lot of Armor gaining cards. 7 Armor is a lot to get for a non-Warrior class. Even if you can get armor reliably, I'd rather run other draw engines to ensure I don't just lose against aggro, who shreds my armor before I get a chance to draw.

The Dragon Knight

Throughout all recorded history dragons have been the image of power in the eyes of all races. Their massive bodies covered in thick armored scales, the strength to tear a man in half with ease, and to top it all off a breath of flame that can melt the strongest of metals. For these reasons many have looked to slaying a dragon as their greatest achievement by overcoming the flaming behemoths. However for some the dragons are seen as the way to take their growing power to new, previously unreachable levels. They have through unknown means found a way to transform into a mighty dragon themselves. With this new technique under their belt they have come to call themselves Dragon Knights and have gained a reputation of being ruthless in their quest for ever growing power. After some time several Dragon Knights came together to form the Dragon Order and with it they managed to hide the secrets of transforming into a Dragon. Due to the secrets of becoming a dragon being so hidden to those outside the Order many have come to suspect the Knights gained their power through dark places such as the Old Gods or the Burning Legion. However most knights are veterans from wars fighting to contain the Old Gods  and wars to drive back the Burning Legion and many seem to defiant towards both groups and as such their goals and motives are still largely unknown.

The New Hero:

Yvon was young when he became fascinated with dragons and throughout his life has sought to harness their power for his own. Through still largely unknown methods Yvon managed to Transform himself into a dragon and would become the first dragon knight in existence. He would move on to recruit and teach others to become Dragon Knights and would eventually become the founder and ruler of the Dragon Order. Naming himself the Dragon Master he moved to extend his influence and power but would suddenly disappear after The Shattering and the death of Deathwing. However with the return of the Legion Yvon has returned with immense new powers and an entire army of dragons seemingly to continue where he left off so long ago.

The Hero Power:

As Yvon returned with a massive army of dragons and he showed that he had mastered the breeding and growth of dragons that allowed him to quickly grow an endless army of  Whelps to fight for him.

This hero power is similar to the paladin but instead of directly summoning a 1/1 to the board you delay the affect by several rounds for a 2/2 along with that several cards as you'll see below are affected by having a certain number of Whelps in your deck. As a side note the Whelps act just like the cards made from Beneath the Ground.

However you may be asking yourself if the hero power is so slow then how in the world will you survive against aggressive decks to get value out of it? It's quite simple actually, this class uses armor! That's right we have a second class to relies on/interacts with armor to survive. He has several cards that grant armor in order to live long enough for the hero power to start taking affect.

The Cards:

Dragon's Flight: A very powerful card that would probably be used in every deck for this class as it allows you to get several Whelps into your deck early on in order to start activate affects that relate to the number of Whelps in your deck. It also of course increases your chance of getting a Whelp early on because having a free 2/2 can be very important in some circumstances.

Smokewhite Drake: A card that showcases the other focus of this class as it relies on you getting armor and keeping it similar to the Warrior's Shield Slam. 

Forge Drake: A powerful late game control card that grants massive amounts of armor in a single turn but it has the big downside of destroying several Whelps which could for several turns stop you from activating some affects which I think is an interesting choice players would have to make.

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What is your class and theme? You also asked about making a Sacrifice keyword but it isn't included on any of these sample cards. Also the Hero Power seems really weak. -1 Health is comparable to 1 damage, so you can compare this to a 3 mana Mage hero power. No one would play mage if that was their hero power.

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I like the theme and hero power. For Dragon Flight, write it out as "two 2/2 Whelps" to make it easier to read. Also you don't need the (+2 Attack and +2 Health) part on Rapid Growth. For the third card, definately one of the cards affected by having a Whelp in the deck, as that is an interesting synergy. Either Violet Dragon or Rapid Growth, imo.

Okay so don't have long but I have a few cards that I've worked on for sometime and I want some feedback on which ones to include as the examples.So here is the hero and hero power:

These 2 cards are very likely gonna be submitted but if someone can argue that another one should replace one of these I'm open to it.

Now for all the cards I've come up with but I can't decide which to also include along side the two above.

Thoughts on which cards I should showcase? Or any changes you would make to certain cards? Thanks in advance!

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This hero power is quite slow but has a powerful effect should you drag the game on long enough and there would be certain cards that could beef up the whelps into bigger threats like 3/3s. Anyway you may be wondering how practically having no hero power early on would mean you survive early on versus aggressive decks, well he simply uses the classes other main focus armor! For example take a look at these cards that focus on stalling the game out and gaining armor and benefiting from having said armor.

Dragon Flight: A slow card that can offer a lot of value should you start draw the Whelps it shuffles in.

Herald, Iron-Skinned Dragon: A key card in the class offering a maximum of 40 health from the start of the game slowing aggressive decks by forcing them to go through 10 more health allowing your hero power and some cards like Dragon Flight to affect the match and hopefully win the board for you.

Smokewhite Drake: A card that nicely fits with Herald as should you keep your armor early you can draw a card and put a good 3 drop on the board.

Anyway that was my idea for the class and although it seems kinda weak do realize that I have alot of ideas that would benefit from things like having a certain number of whelps in the deck or having a certain amount of armor like the Snowwhite Drake. Anyway thoughts on the class?

A small thing that I think might be a good idea is to make the name of the Whelp more unique, even if just by adding a word in front (like Black Whelp or Master's Whelp or something) just because there are already Whelps in the game.

I think Dragon Flight could cost less. Right now it costs the same as Beneath the Grounds only you get 2/2's instead of 4/4's. There is a difference in being able to control your card draw, but I don't know if it's worth so much. You could probably even add "Draw a card" at the end and keep it at 3. Just an idea.

I do really like the idea of Heralth. It's a good way to compensate for the early game and fits with the classes theme. It's giving me trouble though. If it were a battlecry, it would have to cost much more, but being from the start of the game is a significant difference. I think it's okay as it is right now, but it's tricky to evaluate so it might be something to consider.

Smokewhite Dragon is pretty cool. There aren't that many cards that have your amount of armor, so it looks like a neat mechanic to define the class. The balance is really close. It might be fine as is, but I'm doing a lot of thinking on the evaluation and I believe the armor requirement could be less.

Well this is kinda my idea for a class but so I'm iffy on the hero power still but here I go:

THE DRAGON KNIGHT

When Yvon was still very young he learned of Gallakrond's almost world ending power and of his defeat at the hands of the Dragon Aspects. However what Yvon was most interested in was how Gallakrond gained said power. It didn't take long for Yvon to discover it was from Gallakrond consuming other dragon's flesh and blood. So at the young age of 23 he set out to find, kill, and consume a dragon to gain power. He eventually found several towns had been under attack by a powerful drake that had killed many and destroyed entire harvests of crops. Seeing his chance he would go on to slay the drake and become the savior of said towns all while secretly consuming the now dead drake. This would continue for some time but the evil gained from consuming so many dragons eventually corrupted him and as he was human his body could no longer contain the corruption so through unknown means he transformed himself into a dragon and continued his feast now openly to those that he hid it from previously.

Eventually the people who claimed him a hero when he began would rise against the now corrupted Yvon and seemingly vanquished him. However he managed to barley cling to life according to the Dragon Knights that would arise later. It is unknown where Yvon went and even how long he lived but soon after his supposed demise a group called the Dragon Knights appeared using dark magic to turn themselves into dragons similar to Yvon and it is assumed Yvon was the founder and leader of this group until his unknown death or his departure from the group. This group mostly disappeared after Deathwing's demise during the Shattering.

Anyway now that I fleshed the character out a little let me tell you about the class. The main idea is synergy with dragons (No surprise there)  but he is a very control oriented with a big focus on drawing the game out in order to reap the rewards of his hero power which is...

This hero power is quite slow but has a powerful effect should you drag the game on long enough and there would be certain cards that could beef up the whelps into bigger threats like 3/3s. Anyway you may be wondering how practically having no hero power early on would mean you survive early on versus aggressive decks, well he simply uses the classes other main focus armor! For example take a look at these cards that focus on stalling the game out and gaining armor and benefiting from having said armor.

Dragon Flight: A slow card that can offer a lot of value should you start draw the Whelps it shuffles in.

Herald, Iron-Skinned Dragon: A key card in the class offering a maximum of 40 health from the start of the game slowing aggressive decks by forcing them to go through 10 more health allowing your hero power and some cards like Dragon Flight to affect the match and hopefully win the board for you.

Smokewhite Drake: A card that nicely fits with Herald as should you keep your armor early you can draw a card and put a good 3 drop on the board.

Anyway that was my idea for the class and although it seems kinda weak do realize that I have alot of ideas that would benefit from things like having a certain number of whelps in the deck or having a certain amount of armor like the Snowwhite Drake. Anyway thoughts on the class?