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You should play your account on a new region, I just started playing in NA and was surprised about how annoying the grind was to unlock the basic cards. Also I just got a friend to start playing and he experienced the same. You have to play around 50-100 games against the AI until you finally unlock all classes basic cards. It's repetitive and NOT fun. If they would guide the players through a couple of these matches and explain the importance of mulligan, curve, board control and game plan, then I'm sure more players would stick to the game and not quit frustrated.

btw: when you are done grinding the basic cards, the fun begins in the ladder at rank 20, facing razakus priests and tempo rogues.

 

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https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-78/

just read on the data. Seems more like you have not played the game in a long time

Of course I'm excited but I'm also scared off a new "patches" or something along those lines. We'll see though, it mighth just be great

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By Robert_fanR:

I just don't get why most people here consider meta decks "unfun" .

For me personally winning is fun in itself . I don't need to do crazy combos or play with wacky cards to feel good . I just enjoy making my 1 mana 10 10 jades, killing people with savage roar on turn 4 , out armoring raza priest damage by just malfurion hp every turn and so on .

Why can't people enjoy simple but effective mechanics ? Someone please answer as I am genuinely curious to see what other people think about the game .

You are the quintessential fanboy who Brode focusses on. The guy that is remodeled to crave for an easy winfix, don't mind how he wins as long as it is fast. The burger-boy who doesn't like quality slow food. The largest faction within the HS-community. Your kind is so numerous that it is the sole reason why the meta, is unbalanced, not diverse and aggressive. Thumbs up for Brode who successfully sells a lot of packs to the ********.

You must be a very intelligent person. Still you have fun with mindless, skilless archetypes. It puzzles me, it really does: how can an intelligent being have 'fun' playing mindlessness? That you feel fun in being dumb down and ********.  I just can't understand that. Probably it goes beyond my intelligence. Don't come with: it is just a game. You are what you play as much as you are what you eat.

You know, card design by Brode and consort is in a certain sense a crime against humanity. How so? Well if you look at crimes against humanity what is paramount is taking away the (intellectual) dignity of the victims. Dehumanizing them. Making them objects, things that you use, can dispose of. Well Brode prints cards that results in skilless archetypes that gives you the rush of an easy winfix... and you will as a drug addict love him for that. That rush dehumanizes you as it clearly is below the abilities of your intelligence; as such below your dignity.

Dignity means that you as a human being can aspire in a accordance to your abilities in the fullest sense of the word. Willfully letting people take away that dignity makes you a subhuman. Only those who have no self-respect and self-worth will let that happen.

Of course crimes against humanity is punishable by international law. Being likewise dehumanized, taken away self-respect by Brode and consort is not. In the end it is all about ethics. It is your own choice, but you should really reconsider.

That brings me to a conclusion to my response to you mr. Robert_fanR. Why do you think Brode himself has so much fun? His silly faces, ridiculous laughs, raps, acting like a fool. He is celebrating the successful endeavor of dumbing you down, that you buy his packs, play his game, making you an easy winfix addict. And how do you think he looks upon you? Do you think he considers you with respect? How do you think we look upon people who willfully let themselves be dumbed down? With no respect sir. Brode looks at you with the greatest contempt while he's laughing his ass off as he successfully made you an addict to mindlessness, and notably let you buy his packs for that. What a succes! I leave you at that.

Good day sir.

 

Finally!! It started to become a bit frustrating you know

Quote from RygaUK >>

the crowd at blizzcon picked so badley there were much better options but they were casuals who wanted fun

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Just a thought... what if they add a new game mode that has a ladder system like now (one win = one star) but the deck you use to climb is an Arena style draft?  And they could even make it where you draft a deck and play ten games with it, then you can choose to drop and redraft 5 cards or change class and completely redraft if you think what you got is just completely terrible.  Regardless of your choice you continue climbing at the rank you've reached so far.

It's almost like a competitive ladder dungeon run type of game (with out the crazy treasures or super high health totals, and not against a computer).  Could be fun!  Not saying replace the current ladder with this because people will want a place to play purely constructed decks, but this theorized new game mode could spark the bit of creativity you think the game is lacking.  Sure, someone could get lucky and end up with a meta net deck if given the right choices, but it's a lower chance as they have to build off the choices they are given.

I feel like this mode would probably have a Gold cost to it though as Blizzard wouldn't want to give players a way to play any card in a ranked mode without having to buy packs.

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I played some of the agro paladin deck because I had almost all the cards.  It just gets slaughtered by everything.  No value whatsoever, its minions are too weak to win a fight for the board, and it dies to the smallest of board clears or any half-decent taunt.  I mean, are you just supposed to go face?  Murlocs are a bit better, but not by much. 

At least in Wild you're buffing your guys; in standard you're just spewing out lots of weak dudes. 

Dev team is stoooopid

I do Hope Aggro beats you down, you disgusting priest. 

Seriously though, the best 5 decks to climb to legend with are ALL different versions of Razakus Priest so maybe it's more about your skill than the deck? Razakus priest is so OP you should climb with it if you don't play a too greedy deck and have some skill to make the right decisions.

Suggestions to tech against paladin: pintsize potion and shadow word:Horror. Shadow word:Horror Wipes the entire board and pintsize potion is just a great combo with Horror in other matchups.

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History has proven that communism is a bad idea. Learn to play the game and stop wishing that 'system' will provide any benefits to losers. 

 I've been to legend a few times mate, and rank 5 minimum every season. I can play just fine. The ladder system is awful and gets worse as time goes on. It was supposed to be a place-holder for a better sytem...

 And yet for all your alleged success, you still wish to make the game easier for yourself. I wonder why...

 ???? I wish to make the game more fun. **** you.

 

 You implied I was lying bro, just to help validate my point, what do you expect?

A less knee-jerk "Not guilty, honest!" type of reaction might have helped - but to each his own. ;-) 
Not that it matters though; it was only a light jab. No need for sourness. ^_^
The point being is that making a game easier does not (usually) make it more fun. And rewarding "average" is part of this. Your proposal only appears to target those who wish to remain competitive by limiting competitive rewards. And instead choosing to offer greater reward to those who don't try as hard to succeed with a deck.

The bottom line is that the whole concept makes the regrettably common mistake of believing that using a popular deck is the problem, rather than having a skill ceiling that is paticularly low (and a card-base that is ridiculously easy to complete).
There will always be the "best" decks in a meta. But as soon as one deck earns more rewards than another, it will become that deck which is popular - and then what? You punish people for playing that one instead? 
What about the people who played it first, expecting to get good rewards from it?
What about people who only had a small selection of cards to choose from and are now punished because other players play those cards a lot?

It simply doesn't work, am afraid.

Why is it the 2017 Hearthstone World Championship? My calendar tells me it's 2018 already. 

Wow.  Two posts and both of them to baby rage at deck lists that you didn't like.

This should be introduced as tips and advanced tutorial that also rewards packs for new players to start playing the game and not outsourced, to most players those guides are kinda obvious at this point but I wish I knew those points as a new player..

Make a PVE advanced tutorial about advanced mechanics currently in game you don't know how to mulligan..

They could make sort of "Puzzle mode" with levels like "win this turn"  there are tonnes of those in like yugioh and they are ton of fun and teach a lot about right ordering of things and interactions.

You should play your account on a new region, I just started playing in NA and was surprised about how annoying the grind was to unlock the basic cards. Also I just got a friend to start playing and he experienced the same. You have to play around 50-100 games against the AI until you finally unlock all classes basic cards. It's repetitive and NOT fun. If they would guide the players through a couple of these matches and explain the importance of mulligan, curve, board control and game plan, then I'm sure more players would stick to the game and not quit frustrated.

btw: when you are done grinding the basic cards, the fun begins in the ladder at rank 20, facing razakus priests and tempo rogues.

Maybe Blizz could include new player guides like this into the game, instead of making new players go through an incredibly boring grind to unlock all basic cards for each class? The new player experience in HS is incredibly bad, these guides on some website that new players might not even read are not helping a lot imo. It's a nice idea to educate the new players, but I think they chose a wrong method with these little guides outside of the game.

Classic control as it was known is dead but for a few barely played archetypes from a handful of classes, mostly warrior. Most control decks these days play like combo decks where instead of playing to exhaust your opponents' resources like classic control warrior, paladin and priest used to they're more akin to old school combo druid where they simply bide their time and stymie your gameplan until they can outright kill you or even chip you to death if you draw badly. Control metas post naxx were never a thing. Even anyfin paladin, which was considered one of the heaviest "control" decks out there when it was in rotation, wasn't a true control deck.

I dislike the increased deck cost this rotation, but I can't say I'm surprised with the rising trend of expensive competitive decks when blizzard continues to make epic neutrals of insane quality that are simply too good for their own good. This can, ironically, be viewed as something that's in the favor of dust-poor players, since they can more easily prioritize their crafting to make impactful cards and feel a sense of accomplishment...but this is all at the cost of the truly unique and class-centric gameplay that hearthstone enchanted its early players with.

I'm not really a competitive player by any means, since I've yet to consistently hit rank 10, but from my experience I feel like this is one of the better metas that's been around in a while. It'll be even better once razakus and anduin rotate, since it removes the need for control warlocks to exist and otherwise dominate other archetypes from emerging. Every deck archetype I've seen has a clear gameplan and a clear weakness, with the more competitive t1 decks having more complex win conditions to defend from of course. Overall it makes playing against them as someone who plays almost exclusively slow decks actually enjoyable, since for the most part there are usually multiple points where that gameplan can be interacted with to some extent. Studying existing decks, identifying possible win conditions against them and then building my own decks to achieve them is what I enjoy most in HS. That and confusing the hell out of people when I play pirate ramp druid or control dragon hunter.

this is a combo deck meta, not control. and considering secret mage and aggro paladin are everywhere i wouldnt call it control meta anyways

lol what are you talking about this isn't a control meta.  it's a "see who can cheat out the most stuff for free" meta. 

malygos druid, razakus, OTK mage, cubelock...these are not control decks.  cubelock barely fits into that category perhaps.  barely.  it can still high roll and kill you by turn 6.