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this should be at 7 mana at least tbh. even at 6 it's still ridiculously good, single-handedly turns a lost game into an easily won one.

I fucking hate demon hunter. This absolute lucky piece of shit cunt makes terrible play after terrible play - like playing Battlefiend and then playing Maiev Shadowsong on it afterwards because he forgot to play her first?! what a fucking idiot, misplays the whole game, then when he's finally completely empty on cards HE TOPDECKS Skull of Gul'dan AND THEN DRAWS ANOTHER Skull of Gul'dan WHICH ALSO HAS THE OUTCAST EFFECT. from 0 cards to 5 cards with a 3 mana discount each. what the fuck is this dumb shit card and why the fuck does it exist?!?! even at 7 mana this would be very playable its fucking retarded... needless to say i fucking lost. dumb, shit class that shouldnt exist. please at least just remove the skull, its not a balanced card. please.

you forgot rastakhan and tbh thrall counts as a skin too - that being said I like rastakhan the most

but you know that something like a silence achieves almost the same thing and this will 100% die the turn after if you ignore the enemy taunt? this is pretty much purely a finisher card and at that it doesn't achieve much more than anything with silence would. I don't think this is as OP as people make it out to be.

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Is it completely random? because it feels like it isn't. I've had streaks where I haven't been the first to attack for like 4-5 rounds.

 It is amazing how counter-intuitive randomness is for an average person... If there were no such streaks, it would prove that it is not random.

Losing\winning 5 coin tosses in a row is only 1\32 If you play a lot, you will see a lot of those.

 actually it's only a 1/16 since the first toss doesn't matter (going first or second) so it's four coin tosses to get the same thing as before. so yeah very common

Hearthstone is a free to play game, and the only way they can make money off of it is by giving players reasons to buy packs with real money. If you give out packs too easily players will not spend any money on the game anymore and it will die off very quickly because it's not profitable. If you give players all cards for a certain period of time then people just won't play until that last period where they have every card, it's the same thing.

The popularity of battlegrounds is also definitely not because it's free. Streamers that prefer to play it really don't care about the cost of the game, they have so much dust and gold piled up they can get every card from every set fairly consistently anyway. The reason they play it is because it's different and fun without them actually having to switch games and thus losing a large part of their audience.

I think the devs have already done a very fair amount of things to make hearthstone more affordable: Better preorder deals, bundles where you can get a lot of packs for cheap, the first 10 packs legendary rule, more events that hand out rewards and of course more login rewards (all five galakronds for free for EVERYONE for example). I don't see the need for any change in economy.

awesome deck! beats the shit out of any aggro deck. went up against a pirate warrior who had his 1/2 and got two 2/2s out of it turn 1 with ancharr on 3 (so basically a perfect opener) and he didn't stand a chance! still has a good chance versus slower decks though as you can resurrect your big minions and make them even bigger with the quest hero power. Especially fun is the Batterhead combo with the quest hero power because of the 6 attack, wipes almost any board and if your opponent doesn't always wipe your board it just keeps getting bigger!

thanks for sharing!

king krush stomping onto the board and then just screaming when he lands is my favourite thing

I think they've done well. Remember, Leper Gnome got nerfed from 2/1 to 1/1 and died for it, so did Abusive Sergeant. I think Sludge Slurper will suffer the same fate or at least be much less effective.

Corrupt Elementalist is still strong but costing 6 mana doesn't just mean it's more expensive, it also means it can't be played on t5 yet making shaman worse against aggro matchups because of the later turn.

Mogu Fleshshaper does evolve into a strong pool of minions but it can't be played as easily onto a small board, which also nerfs Mutate because it can't be used as much.

I think the nerfs are a safe choice to make shaman weaker but not instantly drill them into the ground. I like what they did.

you do realize you get FULL dust refunds for the nerfed cards? this has 0 impact on the money you spent.

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My favorite thing about these claims is the money grab “feature” everyone claims is rampant.

LoR  is very a free to play friendly, like a free legendary and arena run every week for doing your quests friendly. It can’t be not free but it’s more free player friendly. 

 
if this game feels like a pay gate you don’t wanna spend your money on, don’t... but don’t complain. blizz has gotta make money too. you are free to develop games and hand em out like candy with no micro transactions and also no advertising cause that’s also a cash grab... just like you are also allowed to never buy dlc cause that’s a cash grab, optional skins, cash grab.

I Literally couldn’t care less about people like that. Hobbies, almost all cost money...

night out drinking... 50$ for a few hours and 4-5 drinks with tip with the added bonus potential hangover dlc for free the next day. 

Round of golf... 50$ for 4 hours of “fun” not counting clubs balls tees.... 

Pokémon game 60$ for 80 hours of “fun” 

rent a jet ski for the day 100$ 

wanna go snow boarding spend 100’s on gear and 50 per lift ticket.

Out for a nice dinner...2 people easy 30$ and up to 100’s or even 1000’s. 

Video Games give you an unbelievable about of value for your dollar by comparison. You can play this game for free... you might not have most of the cards, but you can play BG for free, duels for free, regular game for free and if having a full collection is important to you... spend money cause that is literally what the rest of your life is going to be about for things you like, want, and need. 

go for a hike, walk , swim in the lake or ocean. Spend nothing on your free time that’s 100% fine but don’t be mad at any business that wants to make money for occupying your free time with fun , for profit. 

The biggest question about the new reward system: is it better or worse than old one? There are many misconceptions about it, some people love it because its front-loaded (meaning: its very easy to get a lot of rewards in the beginning but later it will be harder) and some people just hate it because they cant get that sweet 10g per 3 wins anymore.

Now we have the numbers and I dont wanna wait for the Hearthstone Mathematics channel, because I love to do the number-crunching myself. So the answer to the question mainly depends on what kind of player you are. Lets see the first one:

UPDATE: Before that, lets talk about the "apology blue post". We will have 6 less packs and 1350 more gold on the reward track from level 1 to 50. I didnt update the original number crunching, only the conclusions at each category, because it was easier to do. I have also renamed the 4th category to "competitive player". BTW I should mention here that I have used these numbers for the required xp for levels: https://outof.cards/hearthstone/2200-the-rewards-track-how-long-to-get-to-level-50-644000-experience-required-to-get-to-level-150 and by their calculations you can achieve level 50 in 12 and a half weeks with 1 hour play per day. You can still achieve it within the expansion cycle with less gameplay, since most of the xp comes from quests.

The Questing adventurer:

In this category I will assume that you are just logging in to do your daily quests (and weekly quests) and play less than an hour per day. In the old system you could get an average 55 gold per quest and I will assume 3 wins for the 10 gold. So 65 gold * 120 day = 7800 gold per expansion cycle. Now lets see the new reward track. Up to level 50 you will get 4200 gold, 16 packs, 2 arena/duel tickets, 2 legendaries and 1 epic card. 1 pack is worth 100 gold, the ticket is the same because the questing adventurer doesnt have time for this, but instant conceding is still worth a pack. Cards are a bit more tricky, but we can measure them in dust, and a packs average worth is around 100 dust. Lets say we are pessimistic and you just want to disenchant your rewards. (BTW I dont know if the reward cards could be golden but lets assume they are always non-golden) So a random legendary is equal to 400 gold and a random epic is 100 gold for this calculation. If we add this up we get a value thats worth 6900 gold. From there, you gain 150 gold for every level up.

So lets see the new quest system. Every week we get 3 weekly quests, 1 has 2500 exp reward and the other 2 has 1750, so its 6k exp per week. We also have 66 new daily quests, 50 of those worth 1000 exp the rest are 800 or 1500, so I think its reasonable to count 1k as an average. Easy math, 7k + 6k means 13k exp per week just from quests. You can also gain xp just from playing the game. Winning means more xp but the main factor is the time and its capped at 400 xp / hour in ranked. Lets assume that the questing adventurer doesnt have time to play a whole hour per day, so I will count with 200 xp per day which should be attainable in less than 30 minutes. Thats another 1400 xp per week.

So we are at 14400 xp per week, and an expansion cycle is 120 days or 17 weeks, so the Q.A. will get 244800 xp which is equal to level 61 on the reward track. So its 1650 gold bonus above level 50, which means 8550 gold in total. So for the Q.A. its 7800 gold vs. 8550 gold or 5850 gold + packs and cards.

There is also another source of xp, namely achievments. There are some that gives you xp, overall they can give 3-4 more levels so 450-600 bonus gold but we know that the questing adventurer dont have time for this. I would say for this category the new system is better, but some people dont think that a pack is actually worth 100 gold, so its maybe less good for them.

UPDATE: Old system: 7800 gold vs New system 9300 gold value OR 7200 gold + packs and cards.

The farmer:

The farmer plays a very fast aggro deck, he always does the quests and always farms the daily 100 gold for 30 wins then immediately shuts down HS. 155 * 120 = 18600 gold per expansion cycle (thats the cap). Assuming a 50% winrate and 5 minute matches, the farmer plays 5 hours every day. In the new system that means 5*400=2000 xp per day, so 14k xp per week + 13k from the quests so 27k per week, so 459000 xp in the expansion cycle. We will be generous this time and give him 500 achievment xp to earn level 109. This means 8550 gold above level 50, for a total of 15750 gold. The farmer doesnt like the new system.

UPDATE: Old system: 18600 gold VS New system 16500 gold value OR 14400 gold + packs and cards.

The hardcore player/streamer:

The farmer capped out the old system with 5 hours per day. But I was curious if someone can max out the current reward system. The math shows that you will need an average 9 hours per day to do that (which is really high, I know), but the new cap is actually higher than the old one. On max level you have 21900 gold, or 19200 + the goodies. So the hardcore player likes the new system.

UPDATE: Old system 18600 gold VS New system 22650 gold value OR 20550 gold + packs and cards.

The competitive player:

This is my category, a player who doesnt have much time on the weekdays but plays a bit more on the weekends. My assumption is that the average player plays 1 hour per day from monday to friday and somewhere between 2-5 hours per day on the weekend. For this calculation I will use 10 hours per week. In 10 hours a farmer would get 200 gold, but the competitive player also plays other decks than hyper-aggro, so lets calculate with 80% effectiveness, that would mean 160 gold per week from the 3 wins deal plus 7*55=385 from quests for a total of 545 gold per week on average. This is 9265 gold per expansion cycle. In the new system we have the 13k/week from quests and the 4k/week from gameplay, which means 289000 xp per expansion cycle. It means level 71 on the reward track, but the competitive player is interested in doing some achievments for xp, so we will give him +2 levels. The summary is 10350 gold or 7650 gold + goodies.

UPDATE: Old system 9265 gold VS New system 11100 gold value OR 9000 gold + packs and cards.

The conclusion:

If you agree with my conversion rate of the goodies, you can see that the new system is better for most players. The pure gold will be lower, but it is compensated by cards/packs. Since the new system is front-loaded, you will get more stuff in the beginning of a new cycle, which is good IMO. Later you get mostly gold, which you want anyways for the next expansion. Needless to say that the xp bonus from the premium track helps a lot, but as far as I know it doesnt change the hourly cap from gameplay. Personally I like the new system better, but I can see why someone would like the old one better. One thing is for sure: its NOT more grindy than the old one, you get rewards based on how much you play the game.

I did these calculations mainly for myself, but I hope it will help you too to understand what you should expect from the new system on the long run.

Conclusion UPDATE:

At first I didnt consider that the loss of pure gold would upset most of the playerbase, but that was my mistake, since Blizzard specifically stated that we will make more gold in the new system, and its obviously not the case, by my math not even after the update (-6 packs and + 1350 gold). I am a mostly wild player and I also like to collect cards, so for me any pack that can give me a card I dont have has a 100 gold value. If you are not like me, you can use the updated numbers with pure gold + packs and cards. So I still like the new system better BUT we will have a mini-expansion with 35 new cards and the slightly better rewards wont help us to get them. All we can do is hope that the promised events will get us enough xp to help with that.

Thanks for the feedback, if Blizzard will update the rewards track again, I plan to do the same with my post.

Still not good enough. If Blizzard wants forgiveness I need $10,000 in unmarked bills and a free tavern pass. 

People who are complaining about this new system are unbelievable. It’s clearly about three times more generous than the old one and far more fun... then people are whining they have to pay money in order to get further extras.

Newsflash!! Blizzard are a business. Businesses need to make money. Would you work for free? 

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 why the hell can tavern pass can ONLY be purshased with real money? thats bs…why CANT I USE GAMES GOLD? WHY SO GREEDY BLIZ?

the pandemic is lowering ur sales? pfff…

 Why the hell should you be able to purchase premium content such as skins etc using gold?

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Insane synergy with Eaglehorn Bow!!!!

Yeah Warlock can spawn a 4 mana Maly by playing "6 mana: do nothing, you can kill me now". Deck of Chaos is not a good card.

I get Lady in White vibes from this...

Buy which i mean it looks kinda cool but doesn't actually work.

they are meant to hinder your turn 1, but no one forces you to play them on the first turn, like priest with the obelisk can just wait until a circle of healing heals enough and upgrade on one turn