Hearthpwn

Erm lets do some math shall we?

35%+60%+50%+40%+50%+50%+50%+40%+50%+65%/10

=

49% lol
So you're telling me that this amazing deck has a 49% overall winrate

The choice here is deciding if he has an axe or not.

If he doesn't have it and you use dagger = your loss.
If he does have it and you use dagger = your win. (not the game, just the play, in your favour)

You're looking at miracle wrong.

This is not freeze mage, OTK warrior, etc. It is not a combo class.
It's a control deck with a draw mechanic and a finisher.

Much in the way that the control warrior stalls the game, controls the board, draw (with acolyte, shield block, etc) and then use the finisher (alexst+grommash)

The same applies for miracle rogue, you control the board, use your draw mechanic to enrich your hand and keep the board and then finish with the spells.

It doesn't have to happen all at the same turn and you don't have specific cards that are needed always. (for example say Malygos+spells, old patron with patrons+whirlwind+charge).

Even outside Nzoth he is reliable. There are very few silences if at all.

I completely shit on Yshaarj with my Mill.

You can play more yshaarj I can draw more naturalizes, mine only costs 1.

Only good against mage. Gets wrecked by everything else

Ragnaros is a threat not a finisher, so it could work but serves a different purpose.
Plus you could ya know, read the description of the deck first.

Because the deathrattle is pretty horrible for Nzoth?

Wow you're such a great content creator!

And by content creator I mean "guy who goes around netdecking shit to get some views"
Oh the cancer.

I'd swap one of them then for Thalnos.

Yes but then the deck will suck balls.

Quote from Rhadan >>

For Hearthstone to be completely F2P the game would need to be set up in a very, very different way.

Heroes works because -basically- you never need to pay any money and can still be competitive. You just play the Heroes free in the rotation, accumulating gold until you can buy more heroes. Eventually you will have enough heroes to even enter hero league.

BUT: Every hero is fully functional from the very get go.

In card games you can not really make the balance in this way, because you want the collection aspect. You can't just give people ALL the cards. And if you don't? Those that start play later will just be punished. Likewise, players who just have more time can advance better because they can play more to have a wider array of cards available to them.

It's in the nature of card games that you spend money into them. Blizzard did a good job with giving you gold to buy packs with or enter arena, depending on your preference, so that players who really want to play the game F2P can go ahead. This, however, limits them more to a class or two because you really need to grind for the cards to build the deck you want. Crafting one legendary for a F2P player is a very long process and it's considerably easier to just put some money on the table to get card packs. Even if the legendary you wanted is not in the packs, you will get a wide variety of cards to disenchant so you can craft the cards you need.

This means the game would need to be set up very differently, likely with fewer cards available. On the plus side, you'd get much more cosmetic changes to choose from. Golden cards, hero skins, likely even battlefields would only be available through purchase with real money. Development time would need to go into these aspects a lot as it would be the only way to keep the game running.

Quote from Woomod >>

If you've been playing league since it released, sure it's F2P.
If you are new? Getting a page of runes and the 40 or so heroes needed to play before the meta changes is outside feasibility.

Also "Collecting" is really important to tcgs, not in the throw money at it since but in the sense it allows for a controlled discovery of cards, that feeling of finding a card just PERFECT for an existing deck, or that inspires a new deck. Those are very important to the whole deckbuilding paradigm.

But the question boils down to, is there enough money for hearthstone's profitability in speed ups and cosmetics. The answer is, we don't know because no one has tried a tcg like that and it would be a major risk to make it.

Quote from Abhijeet123 >>

F2P does work, I started playing 3 months ago and I am rank 9 now, I am sure I'll be legend in 3-4 more months. Sure it's faster for paying people but not impossible for F2P either

Quote from eviltwin94 >>

Im a 100% free to play user, and in one year i got a almost full collection, with almost every competitive deck, with some stapple exceptions like harrison jones for example. And i have 4k gold for wog, and 2k dust without disenchants(i have all the nerfed cards, some gold and multiple copies of owl). It was very hard in the beginning, but i played arena and tavern brawl, and i reroll 40 missions, and i manage to start building tier 1/2 decks who got me past rank 5 every season, with only 2-5 games per day(more games on end of season, less in the first 5 days). 

Wallet players get more tools faster, but most of the times they cant even use them, so i dont think the advantage gap is big enough to complain

Quote from Dark_6 >>

I'm F2P player with 2500+ ranked wins and 1500+ arena wins, i enjoy the game, i have many cars, never bought a single pack with money and i'm always  Rank 5 or better (since they announced the reward chests), HS is great, especially when you play fun and stupid decks against people who are trying as hard as they can to climb up, and when you win, it's always satisfying.

Quote from BestJayceEU2456 >>

Games like League of Legends and HotS are not So free to play, i mean, they monthly release new skins that makes the champions Look cooler, in the end everybody will spend some money on skins. And a F2P is always possible thing, Look At trump last F2P

Quote from evilsiopao >>

The sense of entitlement is strong with this one whew

Anyway, aside from the fact that you compared HS to a Moba (which is wrong btw since the game are very different to the core so their F2P model cannot be interchanged/compared), I can relate to the struggle of not being able to play with friends who just started. This has something to do with the game design really. While MobAs are actually built for friends to play together regardless of background/experience, HS is more akin to a MMORPG. While a part of HS is playing the games, another part of it is the experience of growing your collection and experiencing the cards you get along the way. Of course you can opt out of the "experiencing" part and just buy all the packs in one get go.

Like RPGs, you really can't play the same game with a Lvl 1 friend using your Lvl 99 character unless you start again also. But then again, repeating will get kind of bland since you already experienced it right? In this sentiment, I really can't agree of making all the cards accessible since it would become a watered down MobA style in cards (then why not play a MobA itself then) and that would get boring fast for most players. HS was not meant that way.

And to answer your question, F2P is hard and long but the experience of playing the game for the new players is kinda essential.

PS. On the point of game immersion, building your card collection is similar to LoL and HotS limiting your hero pool oppose to DotA 2 with your full hero collection. Either one is fine, but saying that DotA 2 is better since you are able to play all heroes at the start is arguable (I like DotA 2 more) since you are disregarding other aspects of limiting/building up your runes and hero pool.

Quote from iandakar >>

To be quick and a little blunt, the entire point to a card collecting game is to collect cards.  It's honestly the same as not wanting to fight against other players in a PvP game.  It's a core concept of the game.  Even if it were 100% free, the packs would remain along with the progression system of collecting cards over time.

(sidenote guaranteed cards already exist via dust.  We have two systems of card gaining: packs with gold and crafting specific cards)

So yes, why would a person want to play for hundreds of hours before being able to just do whatever they want with whatever cards they want?  You described the entire card collecting community.. and any other progression based community.  There's millions of us who play this game for just that.  #*)$# I'd be bored with the game if i had every card just handed to me.  That's why I'm here and not in a game that does that.

The question is really this: areYOu one of those people who likes that.  

Removing the nostalgia of opening booster packs from the equation, do you think a completely free Hearthstone would work? I mean the same way Heroes of the Storm or League of Legends work? Like you have your progression through playtime and it is more about your skill than what you paid for. 

Haven't played LoL in 3-4 years so I might say something that's not relevant today, but still, in LoL you can somewhat get runes faster with cash, but you still have to play for it. Even then the gap is not that big, an unrunned great player is still a great player and it will perform better than a runed bad player. 

My point here is (and this comes from me, I play Hearthstone since beta and have all collections and heroes and stuff, and spent probably around 150-200 dollars on the game):

You have a guy who started out today on Hearthstone, he is 100% F2P.
And
You have a guy who started out today on Heroes of the Storm, he is 100% F2P.

If he plays the games the same amount of hours everyday he will progress much faster on HotS than on HS. 
And therefore he will reach a competitive level much sooner.

If I had to start over on Hearthstone I wouldn't play it (if I had to buy packs).
I know it is not impossible, but the fun for me is having all these options and making interesting decks even if not competitive on the top of the ladder. 

Just deckbuilding and trying to make interesting combos. 
However, grinding everyday for gold, for the hope of getting a good card out of a pack is not fun for me.

Why not make the packs either gone or with guaranteed cards (Classes wise)

Again, I know this won't happen (most likely), just a thought exercise as to why League of Legends works with Opportunity to show your skill on one side of the table and cash on the other while Hearthstone both things crossover eachother.

I can't play against my friend because he just doesn't stand a chance. It's like playing chess against someone without a Queen. That's just an example, of course I made a deck with just basic cards so we could play eachother, but that's not fun, the fun cards are expensive, so are the combos.

So maybe what, make a different Lexicon for Wild mode? With every card available?
Make you receive more gold, or a better scrap mechanic than Dust?

I just don't get why someone should play hundreds of hours before being able to have the freedom of building whatever they want with whichever card they want.

I don't know, if you had to start over and could not or would not buy packs again, would you?