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Hey guys, I am a fairly new player, I began playing a 2 months before kft.  i actually wanted to craft certain legendaries like n'zoth, aya and make decks completely from scratch. This is when people told me that old golds and msg will rotate out early next year and i should think before i  do that. I am actually unware of what happens to the meta as this will be my first rotation experience.

What will happen to the current tier1 decks like jade druid , big priest and razakus priest after the rotation? and what will happen in general to the meta.

i am asking cause there are some fun decks to play at the moment which require legendaries from msg and old gods. i wanted to craft em but i thought i'd rather know what'll happen to them  before i do so.

would appreciate some help :)

Quote from awashman >>

As a new player you'd probably be better off playing a different deck. Zoo has always been thought of as good deck for beginners. Where as jade druid is based on a strange mechanic that is rotating at the next rotation.

Added bonus is that zoo is really strong on ladder at the moment. 

 

Quote from LionelKane >>

Jade Druid will be out of Standard in 6 months, so if you want to play that mode and that mode only, you should keep your dust for a deck that will last longer (Un'Goro & Knights of the Frozen Thrones sets), I wouldn't use my dust for 3 legendaries soon to be rotating out.

If you don't mind playing Wild with it, Kun isn't necessary, it's a good card but not a main card in Jade Druid, Fandral and Aya are by far the best ones in this deck, especially Fandral which is a stable card in every druid deck except aggro ones.

Quote from RajoeEu >>

You don't even need Kun. Fandral >> Kun because 

1. You can shuffle and make a jade in the same turn without shuffling.

2. Fandral + Wrath is just too juicy

3. Fandral + Nourish is game winning 

4. Fandral can be played turn 4 vs fast decks 

Only thing Kun does is a free 7/7 at turn 10 which isn't all that crazy. Playing Kun for armor is gonna happen in mby 3% of the games. 

Quote from Derkos15 >>

Fandral Staghelm is no doubt the better card here. You must konow you will receive a lot of saltyness against people while playing Jade druid

Guys i am kind of a new player. Been playing since 3 months, wanted to climb ladder . And so a friend recommended jade druid. I have been crafting since 2 months. Finally have all the cards except fandrel.The thing is i see kun being played in many of the new versions of jade druid. Also on searching  crafting priorites for jade druid, i have seen that many people recommend Aya first and say that fandrel is not a compulsion in lower ladder. so just wanted to know your opinion between fandrel and kun. please help. ( i am at rank 17 at the moment and still trying to master the deck).

Quote from Arttannis >>

Quote from Firestorm30 >>

Quote from Arttannis >>

Hi, it depends on which mode you are playing. I don't want to force you playing what you don't like right now, but if you're not playing Wild, you should definitely consider it. It's a lot more fun and from what I cought from your post, you focus mainly on fun. And no, it's not more expensive than Standard. Just consider playing Wild. :)

In that case I would recommend you craftit N'Zoth, because he is just stable legendary with incredible potential and he is also really fun to play. I would definitely not recommend you crafting Shaman and Warrior DKs. They are just not that efficient as for example Druid or Priest DK.

If you're fan of Priest, go for Priest DK, because he is just insane and insanely fun. But you would need Raza too.

If you like playing aggro  or tempo decks, Keleseth is safe craft. But he is really unstable, because it highly depends of drawing him early. (but some in Rogue decks it's not that dependant).

Same goes with Patches. If you like playing aggro, Patches is pretty much safe craft, unless you want to play only Standard. Patches is leaving Standard soon and so N'Zoth does. So if you don't want to play Wild, I think you shouldn't craft them, because you're F2P player.

So yeah, I don't even know if I helped at least a little bit, because it's really about what archetype you like to play and what class you play the most..

Anyways good luck with your decisions and have a nice day! 

I m currently not playing wild cause i dont have a big collection yet.  I mainly play to complete daily quests and get packs... The thing is i wana make decent decks from every class so that i can do quests... Playing the same decks over and over again to grind takes the fun out of the game for me.  I do not mind aggro decks.. But i would like to get legendaries that would actually provide value in multiple decks

I am not exactly a f2p player.. I plan on getting the pre release bundle for the next expansion.. I didnt do so for the kft cause i was new and so was not sure if i would like this game enough to continue... Now i am.  As for the sets rotating out..  Theres still some time for that. And i'd rather keep the game fun and not worry about that now. 

Priest and paladin are kinda too expensive for me as almost every deck requires multiple legendaries in addition to the dk and thats y i dont think ill go for the priest dk as of now. I was leaning on shaman dk cause i have the entire evolve shaman deck.. Just missing the dk. Btw thanks for replying..  I would nt mind playing wild once i have larger collection. 

Also i do have some legendaries which i do not use like moroes,  ozuruk.  Malchazar baron geddon etc... Do you think i should dust them? 

 Well, I think the sooner you'll join Wild, the better it'll be for you. The best cards (such as Sludge Belcher, Piloted Shredder, Azure Drake) are cheap, so you would expand your collection with bunch of commons/rares, which you'd use in variety of decks. But it's of course up to you :)

So I think you're not into control decks, because they are too expensive, that's totally ok, everyone was new in Hearthstone. So I think aggro or some midrange decks are for you. You really won't have Tier 1 decks, but I think it's really about how you play the decks and not what deck you're playing.

But I think most of the ''universal'' cards are commons/rares (such as Bonemare) and Legendaries seem a bit for specific decks. So in Standard you can consider as ''universal''  neutral legendaries Patches the Pirate and Prince Keleseth for aggro, Cairne Bloodhoof, Aya Blackpaw (if you play Jades) and maybe even The Lich King for some Midrange/Control and consider even crafting Leeroy Jenkins as a finishing burst card, because this card will never retire.

And for some really good class legendaries you can crafr Tirion Fordring, Archmage Antonidas for classic set, than Sunkeeper Tarim and Malfurion the Pestilent, because they are really good and played in pretty much every deck.

And for Wild (if you'd play Wild) there is Sylvanas Windrunner and Dr. Boom. These are really good and can be played absolutely everywhere.

For the dissenchanting. You should be 100% certain you won't play these cards!! Dissenchanting is not good. but... If you don't find yourself playing some heavy elemental decks, you can dissenchant Ozruk, because it's pretty safe dust. I think Moroes is safe for dissenchanting too.. If you don't feel like playing Prince Malchezaar, you probably could dust him too. But definitely don't dissenchant Baron Geddon. He will never rotate out and he can be used in some decks, not to mention he is insane in Elemental Mage with Frost Lich Jaina.

So I hope I helped at least a little bit. Be really careful with dissenchanting cards. Be even more careful with that than with CRAFTING cards, trust me.

Good luck!

Quote from JudgementNL >>

Never dust legendaries unless you really hate the cards. I have done it a couple of times and I really regret it. Baron Geddon is a good card in some decks. Really good with frost lich jana. Moroes can be good in token decks. Even ozuruk can be really fun in elemental decks. Safe up your small elementals. Bait out their hard removal then play a huge wall. Not very competitive but good fun. Malchazar is also good fun, but makes you deck slow and clunky. It al depends on what is more important for you. Winning or fun. I prefer fun.

Quote from Arttannis >>

Hi, it depends on which mode you are playing. I don't want to force you playing what you don't like right now, but if you're not playing Wild, you should definitely consider it. It's a lot more fun and from what I cought from your post, you focus mainly on fun. And no, it's not more expensive than Standard. Just consider playing Wild. :)

In that case I would recommend you craftit N'Zoth, because he is just stable legendary with incredible potential and he is also really fun to play. I would definitely not recommend you crafting Shaman and Warrior DKs. They are just not that efficient as for example Druid or Priest DK.

If you're fan of Priest, go for Priest DK, because he is just insane and insanely fun. But you would need Raza too.

If you like playing aggro  or tempo decks, Keleseth is safe craft. But he is really unstable, because it highly depends of drawing him early. (but some in Rogue decks it's not that dependant).

Same goes with Patches. If you like playing aggro, Patches is pretty much safe craft, unless you want to play only Standard. Patches is leaving Standard soon and so N'Zoth does. So if you don't want to play Wild, I think you shouldn't craft them, because you're F2P player.

So yeah, I don't even know if I helped at least a little bit, because it's really about what archetype you like to play and what class you play the most..

Anyways good luck with your decisions and have a nice day! 

Hey guys!!  About myself, I am a budget player, began playing a few months backs and i do own the karazhan adventure.  i have enough dust to craft a legendary but i am kinda confused as i have a lot of options. 

about my gameplay, i have 4 dks : mage, hunter, paladin and rogue. I push to about rank 14 every season using burn/grind mage and midrange hunter (i  like to play for fun and push only in the last week).

Initially i thought of crafting a neutral legendary that would be playable in multiple different decks--------------- such as patches, prince keleseth or n'zoth as these are quite popular. Was kinda leaning towards n'zoth cause i do have the priest quest and i play decks like jade rogue with death rattle cards like jade swarmer etc  and it maybe useful in many other decks(atleast thats what i think.)

but then i began thinking about the Dk heros that i don't have which are shaman , warlock, warrior, druid and priest. As i have almost all of the warlock and shaman cards (apart from the legendaries, for shaman i just own white eyes but for warlock i don't own any )

so i am kinda confused as to which legendary i should craft ? should i upgrade my current deck by crafting the neutral ones i mentioned or should i craft the dks and make more decks playable. also it would be nice of u if u guys could mention the specific legendary.

Quote from Mumumomo >>

I've been in your place 2 years ago when i started to play.

here's a few general advices :

- dust golden cards

- avoid crafting commons and rares 

- dust only unplayable legendaries and epics

- pick 1 deck, not too expensive and stick with it. You will reach rank 5 every month (free epic) without having to craft a ton of cards

- make sure you don't miss daily quests and brawls

- most importantly, get good in arena and play a lot of it. It's the best way to build a collection and it will be a way to diversify your gameplay

hope this helps

Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

In that case, now might be a bad time to ask what to craft. For now, maybe just make sure you have highmanes and ladder with hunter. Midrange hunter has been reasonable throughout HS's history. After the nerfs, wait a week or two for the meta to settle

Here is a useful site for determining which decks are good when that happens

Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

I agree with ur advise. although I do play dk jaina and barron geddon does help alot if the  board has minions. Yea ur right about the other legendaries many use in the deck(I dont have em) but i  do play it to climb ladder. Hunter is a very fun deck to play though with the new dk.

As per ur advise to craft a druid deck, Dont u think i should wait to see how the nerfs affect the class(i have played jade druid on a friends account. its too op and i dnt enjoy it that much . However even if i go for it i wud still need like 3 legendaries for it to work right.. Aya, fandrl and the DK).

Also is murloc paladin a viable deck in the current meta. I really fancy that deck . i would be able to craft  tarim and tirion by dusting all these legendaries  that u mentioned are safe to dust right?. is wickerflame manadatory ?

Of course your goals and what you enjoy in the game matter a lot.  Your first post made it sound like you do not mind playing any deck even if it's disliked by the community or OP as long as it climbs fast, so I missunderstood :)

If you don't like jade druid, don't craft it ( Aya is the only big legendary you need though. The DK and Fandral are more like optional tech cards ). Aggro druid is often denounced as being unfun very often, so you might not like it either. But if you were just someone looking to climb, it's great value as a very cheap and powerful deck

As for nerfs, they hitting almost all the top decks. If you want to craft something not being nerfed, you'd have to settle for crafting a tier 2 or 3 deck, which is just as sketchy. Since you asked at a time like this, I just assumed you were ok with crafting decks subject to nerfs.  Anyway, I didn't know which one it is so I just gave advice for both options

Murloc paladin is very viable right now, but like druid it is a tier 1 deck that is receiving nerfs. Meanwhile, there are also midrange paladins that contain murlocs (in the community, this deck is called midrange paladin; "murloc paladin" refers to murloc-based aggro paladins ... don't ask me why, I didn't name them). The nerfs hit them less hard.  If you wish to play either of these, you only need to craft Tarim and Finja. It also requires a few epics.  Tirion is a stellar paladin card but it's not mandatory by any means. I've seen many fast and slow paladins cut him. Wickerflame on the other hand, is only played in the optional corpsetaker package, which is expensive anyway. I would not bother crafting him

It's a shame you joined the game so late. The control decks are extremely expensive and not very effective these days. 2 years ago, you could reach legend with a 1 legendary control priest. I tried to come up with a good cheap control deck I can recommend you now, but couldn't think of anything

I guess if you want to develop your existing mage as control, you can consider crafting Archmage Antonidas. Control mage isn't very good right now but Antonidas is used in about 90% of all mage builds and will almost certainly remain this way in the future 

Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

Hunter is an excellent f2p class. If you want to get semi-competitive without making investments yet, you should grab yourself some highmanes and stick to this. Don't concern yourself too much with heroes and quests. With the exception of druid, heroes only exist competitively in very expensive decks and synergize with irreplaceable legendaries or epics.  Quests are largely outclassed by archtypes spawned in this expansion and some of them were unplayable in the first place

i should use the dust to strengthen my current decks by crafting certain legendaries like alexstraza or perhaps lich king etc or should i just craft required class cards for other classes to make them more playable like  spikeridge steed  for paladin, armoursmith for warrior etc?

Alex is like DKs, Alex is usually present in expensive mages. Since you don't have antonidas and possiblely other mage cards, I advise against crafting her. Lich king is falling out of favor. It's a decent filler top end for any slower deck though. Steed is an excellent paladin card but paladin also requires legendaries and epics these days. Paladin is also subject to an upcoming nerf so it'll be hard to tell how good it will be.  Don't craft armorsmith or any warrior cards. The upcoming nerf to war axe is a huge hit to the class and all archetypes except for pirate warrior (which don't use smiths) were never very competitive in the first place. You can consider crafting a druid. Both types are ultra powerful tier S decks, and cost a medium amount to craft. However, it's getting hit with two card nerfs soon but many people in the community think the nerfs aren't enough to curb the decks

List of legendaries are:

paladin: dk uther

Priest: Quest card, Prophet velen, Herald Valazj

Rogue: Dk Valeera

Neutral: Moroes, Barnes, The Voraxx, Prince malchezaar,Baron Geddon,The curator, Medivh, Ozruk, Ysera, C'thun.

DK Uther is a powerful card in control paladin, which is currently not played in the meta. This card will only be competitive if the next expansions buff control paladin into playability, which is a real possibility. However, even if this does happen, you'll still need cards like Tirion, Tarim, doomsayers etc.  If you only care about the immediate future, this card is an easy dust. The same goes for DK Valeera

Velen is seen in the tier 1 Razakus priest, which requires more legendaries and epics than any other decks I've mentioned so far. Good luck if you want to try it

Medivh, Barnes, Curator, Ysera are played in a huge variety of decks and should be kept. Even if you can't afford most of their decks right now, these cards will very likely still be playable by the time you can

Baron Geddon is only played in DK mage, which is currently a tier 3-4 deck that you don't have the cards for

C'thun is played in C'thun decks (duh). They haven't been seen competitively for awhile but are still marginally viable. However, he's only playable if you have his buffers. If you don't open Old God packs, you won't ever get them

Priest Quest, Herald, Moroes, Voraxx, Prince Malchezaar, Ozruk are straight up garbage tier cards that will never see competitive play. Get rid of them

TL;DR Play midrange hunter until the nerfs hit, then ask again. If you're feeling risky/impatient, pick a druid instead