I agree with the previous comment. Observe the meta and most popular decks and you know what to play. I looked at Shaman lists on VS and could immediately improve both promoted decks based on what is being played right now. I had a long win streak last night (not lost to Warrior, not lost to Hunter even once, DH I won most of the times against), there are tools to counter current net decks, there's always a lag before that trickles into the meta.
Unfortunately in HS you need to choose between having fun or climbing ladder, the most fun i have playing hearthstone is in casual, any deck can win, you don't face the same shit over and over again (secret mage, warlock, aggro), but some people only enjoy playing the game if it means climbing the ladder and reaching the highest rank they can, because everyone has their playstyle and aggro is the fastest and easiest way to climb ladder, as someone who plays 1-4 matches a day casual seems to be the best mode for me
I think there should be a system incentivising playing off meta decks i.e. those including less-played cards. Each card could have a score based on popularity and then that could translate into greater experience gains or something else to encourage experimentation. They will not do it, not after they started introducing battle-ready decks but it would be a great way of rewarding experimentation.
also no one is running ooze bro, and no one ever will. they weren't running it for poison rogue they wont with doomhammer
I guess it's still awful because shaman has 2 direct draw for doomhammer, but you can't directly draw 2 oozes in a row, or one at least. And indeed you will suck with this ooze to everyone else, beginning from rattle dh, ending casual rush/big warrior, druid and hunter.
True but Doomhammer can be played on 5th turn onwards and that gives you some time to find it. Even one ooze makes a difference, Shaman is overloaded after playing Doomhammer and that buys you more time, all for 2 mana. Other, strongest decks are also running some weapons, Warrior, DH, occasional Rogue and Paladin. Ooze has won me more games in my climb over the past few days than I can count. It's a mandatory addition IMHO.
The only suggestion here is that the deck is too greedy. I got to D10 with something very similar (I had Silas in it) and I really enjoyed my games. But, after the mini-set, with Shamans, Demon Hunters and Hunters rising in popularity, the deck does not perform so well (still fun to play, though). Now I play a version of it with tech cards: Ooze (which you have), Deathwarden and Broom to take advantage of the Manari Mosher heals, which I added to the deck. Less disruption but It's more competitive.
First one is, it's a clever way to get people to 'waste' their coins on this instead of packs. When that happens, those packs have to come from somewhere so by diverting attention from one source, you drive sales in the other.
Second thought I have is since they increased the number of decks you can store to 27, it does help to have easier access to skins, which help distinguish different decks from the same class. I know you can give them different names but having a different visual helps a lot.
Freeze Mage will be attempted and will probably fail due to lack of a win condition. Just more control. I will try some combination of that and Hero Power but since that received no support it's unlikely to go anywhere consistently.
Warlock is just more control and even more meme with Deck of Chaos support through the new minion. On its own, it is still interesting and being a demon helps but unlikely a game-changer. The new 1-mana spell is interesting for some early board presence mainly to kill more minions with early game and wait until Tick mill.
Naralex will support both greatly by Dreams bouncing back Battlecry minions (the freeze Legendary and Mordresh, Tick and Malicia) and Alex (if played). This card will single-handedly define the meta, mark my words.
Freeze Mage will be attempted and will probably fail due to lack of a win condition. Just more control. I will try some combination of that and Hero Power but since that received no support it's unlikely to go anywhere consistently.
Warlock is just more control and even more meme with Deck of Chaos support through the new minion. On its own, it is still interesting and being a demon helps but unlikely a game-changer. The new 1-mana spell is interesting for some early board presence mainly to kill more minions with early game and wait until Tick mill.
Naralex will support both greatly by Dreams bouncing back Battlecry minions (the freeze Legendary and Mordresh, Tick and Malicia) and Alex (if played). This card will single-handedly define the meta, mark my words.
It's a tricky question. I hear what people are saying about regrets and the extremely diminished value of dust; the economy of it is very unfavourable. It's about trying to predict the future and you never know if Wild will be something you will be interested in, you just don't. There will be people who will and those who won't. Another thing is, I've started playing HS last year, I will never catch up with my collection and get enough from the previous expansions to have a few decks for argument's sake (again, the economy doesn't help here as all decks cost the same and dusting is the same so I don't feel like investing time and money would make much of a difference). So I'd be scraping the barrel trying to get 1-2 decks. And I like variety, which Standard offers me, which sounds like a paradox but I can build a lot more decks across different classes if I stay on top of current rotations, which is easier to do. But let's assume I got past that hurdle and built a few decks I enjoy, my understanding is that I would then be fighting the same Secret Mages and other common decks in Wild over and over for what gain exactly?
I will not dust my collections simply because the economy of it sucks and I've invested some money into the game. I will wait for nerfs although those rarely happen in Wild and try and get full dust value then. And maybe in the future I will get interested in Wild, in a couple of years, if I am still playing the game.
More Paladin nerfs? Yay! Always thought that First Day of School should've just cost 1. It's still a great value card even if it produces 2 minions, 3 was too much. Hand of A'dal getting a nerf is a surprise and a welcome one. Excited to try some new combinations from the mini-set.
I see Tier 3 on HS replay, though, so which deck are you talking about? Mage is my main class and I wish there was something more viable and fun to play in the class with all the archetypes available to it but nope. Maybe mini-set will change that although the card draw minion it received is underwhelming so far. If not, I'll stick to Warlock.
Once they killed Mage completely I've moved to Warlock and not looked back. Love the class and I am not playing the usual Tick mill but having fun with it as it has so many options for interesting decks. Can't wait for the mini-set, too.
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Fast. Hunter and Elemental Shaman are good for the climb.
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I agree with the previous comment. Observe the meta and most popular decks and you know what to play. I looked at Shaman lists on VS and could immediately improve both promoted decks based on what is being played right now. I had a long win streak last night (not lost to Warrior, not lost to Hunter even once, DH I won most of the times against), there are tools to counter current net decks, there's always a lag before that trickles into the meta.
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I think there should be a system incentivising playing off meta decks i.e. those including less-played cards. Each card could have a score based on popularity and then that could translate into greater experience gains or something else to encourage experimentation. They will not do it, not after they started introducing battle-ready decks but it would be a great way of rewarding experimentation.
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True but Doomhammer can be played on 5th turn onwards and that gives you some time to find it. Even one ooze makes a difference, Shaman is overloaded after playing Doomhammer and that buys you more time, all for 2 mana. Other, strongest decks are also running some weapons, Warrior, DH, occasional Rogue and Paladin. Ooze has won me more games in my climb over the past few days than I can count. It's a mandatory addition IMHO.
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The only suggestion here is that the deck is too greedy. I got to D10 with something very similar (I had Silas in it) and I really enjoyed my games. But, after the mini-set, with Shamans, Demon Hunters and Hunters rising in popularity, the deck does not perform so well (still fun to play, though). Now I play a version of it with tech cards: Ooze (which you have), Deathwarden and Broom to take advantage of the Manari Mosher heals, which I added to the deck. Less disruption but It's more competitive.
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I have two thoughts on this.
First one is, it's a clever way to get people to 'waste' their coins on this instead of packs. When that happens, those packs have to come from somewhere so by diverting attention from one source, you drive sales in the other.
Second thought I have is since they increased the number of decks you can store to 27, it does help to have easier access to skins, which help distinguish different decks from the same class. I know you can give them different names but having a different visual helps a lot.
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Oh, I've missed that. OK, less useful then.
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Only what I am interested in:
Freeze Mage will be attempted and will probably fail due to lack of a win condition. Just more control. I will try some combination of that and Hero Power but since that received no support it's unlikely to go anywhere consistently.
Warlock is just more control and even more meme with Deck of Chaos support through the new minion. On its own, it is still interesting and being a demon helps but unlikely a game-changer. The new 1-mana spell is interesting for some early board presence mainly to kill more minions with early game and wait until Tick mill.
Naralex will support both greatly by Dreams bouncing back Battlecry minions (the freeze Legendary and Mordresh, Tick and Malicia) and Alex (if played). This card will single-handedly define the meta, mark my words.0
And it's still a good card!
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This is the best card of the mini-set, hands down, and will be nerfed for sure once people figure out how good this is so get it while you can.
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It's a tricky question. I hear what people are saying about regrets and the extremely diminished value of dust; the economy of it is very unfavourable. It's about trying to predict the future and you never know if Wild will be something you will be interested in, you just don't. There will be people who will and those who won't. Another thing is, I've started playing HS last year, I will never catch up with my collection and get enough from the previous expansions to have a few decks for argument's sake (again, the economy doesn't help here as all decks cost the same and dusting is the same so I don't feel like investing time and money would make much of a difference). So I'd be scraping the barrel trying to get 1-2 decks. And I like variety, which Standard offers me, which sounds like a paradox but I can build a lot more decks across different classes if I stay on top of current rotations, which is easier to do. But let's assume I got past that hurdle and built a few decks I enjoy, my understanding is that I would then be fighting the same Secret Mages and other common decks in Wild over and over for what gain exactly?
I will not dust my collections simply because the economy of it sucks and I've invested some money into the game. I will wait for nerfs although those rarely happen in Wild and try and get full dust value then. And maybe in the future I will get interested in Wild, in a couple of years, if I am still playing the game.
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More Paladin nerfs? Yay! Always thought that First Day of School should've just cost 1. It's still a great value card even if it produces 2 minions, 3 was too much. Hand of A'dal getting a nerf is a surprise and a welcome one. Excited to try some new combinations from the mini-set.
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I see Tier 3 on HS replay, though, so which deck are you talking about? Mage is my main class and I wish there was something more viable and fun to play in the class with all the archetypes available to it but nope. Maybe mini-set will change that although the card draw minion it received is underwhelming so far. If not, I'll stick to Warlock.
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Once they killed Mage completely I've moved to Warlock and not looked back. Love the class and I am not playing the usual Tick mill but having fun with it as it has so many options for interesting decks. Can't wait for the mini-set, too.
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Priests will try to eat Tick and Warlocks will try to eat Priests' dragons. That is all play this card will see, if that.