Hearthpwn

Quote from YourPrivateNightmare >>

Quote from GerritDeMan >>

Quote from YourPrivateNightmare >>

Holy fucking shit what an absolute shitshow. I mean, I didn't expect much anymore and they still managed  to disappoint.

How do you follow up episode 3 and manage to get even worse?

So we start off by firing Varys because he is the last smart character left in the show and we can't have that. Everyone is surprisingly okay with this.

Then we start the battle with some quick maths:

1 Scorpion vs Drogon = taken out of combat with one hit, taking two shots

about 5 scorpions vs Drogon & rhaegal = instant kill with triple bullseye

ALL THE SCORPIONS vs Drogon = incapable of doing anything

all the previous set up of "the odds are frighteningly even" are thrown out of the window. The entire Night King plot therefore had ABSOLUTELY NO POINT and if you ignored that it happened ABSOLUTELY NOTHING would change.

Drogon has also upgraded his fire breath to a disintegration beam that explodes on impact. There is no explanation. MEanwhile the Dothraki have learned the power of mitosis and multiplied of screen. They still fail to factor into the battle except for one scene.

Arya is determined to killl Cersei despite it being pretty clear that Cersei will not survive anyways. She immediately gets talked out of it by the HOund, who for some reason is really determined to kill his brother. This has nothing to do with his arc. He goes on basically a suicide mission to get revenge, despite him barely even mentioning it before. His entire story was about changing him from a lonely nihilist to someone who actually cares about certain people...but no, Cleganebowl has to happen. It wouldn't make sense if he just followed Arya and 1v1d the mountain to let her follow Cersei or something...nnah he's just gonna do his Mortal Kombat shit, because fuck it, his character has been dead in the books for a long time so it really doesn't matter whether he has an actual consistent characterization or not.

Also, for some reason the Mountain conveniently decides to have some desire to fight his brother despite being a braindead zombie. There is no reason for this other than Cleganebowl. Did they forgot that the Mountain doesn't actually hate his brother? He pushed him into the fire as a kid and is just a dick. He doesn't give a fuck about him otherwise. There's literally no reason why he would abandon his post just for a 1v1.

Dany goes from 0 to insane for no reason at all. There's literally nothing to provoke her. She destroyed all the scorpions and all she has to do is burn down the Red Keep. Instead she decides to do a little Holocaust just because. After all, we only have one episode left and we need a reason for her to die. Also we conveniently never actually cut to her while genociding so we just have to assume she's laughing maniacally, her hair has turned green, she has the words "damaged" tatooted on her forehead and talks about how "all it takes is one bad day"....presumably

we also get to follow some random orphans on their way to their extremely predictable death, because we have to manufacture drama somehow.

Arya has upgraded her Faceless Man game and instead of stealing faces she stole Euron's plot armor. He still had enough to casually swim up to shore and run into Jaime only to attack him for no reason. What is Euron's motivation? Previously it was that he wants power...then it was that he just wants to bang the queen. HIs character is non-existent, but apparently he's still important enough to not just get axed by the dragon.

Jon Snow continues to be useless as usual.For some reason all the Lannister soldiers still want to kill him though. His character at this point can be summed up by "I don't want to"

We no longer like Grey Worm. the Northerners are apparently psychopaths who commit war crimes the instant they have the opportunity too. Nobody tell the writers that the main reason why raping and pillaging happens is because the soldiers basically went through hell and have lost their humanity. these soldiers barely even fought anyone, they steamrolled a few confused soldiers and that's it. There is literally no reason for them to do anything of the sort, but hey, the dickless man with a hatred for helmets threw a sword so I guess it's time to go berserk.

Oh yeah and Tyrion again wanders around battlefields looking concerned

Arya continues to be punished for Killstealing and is rendered useless the entire episode. Instead, the coldblooded, downright inhuman assassin gremlin now becomes the audience stand-in to showcase the horrors of war. As a parting gift from the lord of light for doing such a good job she gets a horse to ride into the sunset. There is no symbolism. It's just ********.

Did I miss anything?

 

 

 You missed Cersei and Jaime dying in the most anti-climactic way possible, because D&D once again subverted our expectations by having them killed by none other than, wait for it... falling rocks! On top of that Jaime's entire character arc is now completely ruined because he has ended exactly where he started back in season 1 when he was a completely different person. I guess he was scared of having to fuck Brienne for the rest of his life instead of Cersei who was actually good at it?

Other than that, great job, I agree with everything.

 I have to admit, I actually liked her ending, partly because no matter how it was set up there wouldn't have been a satisfying death for her. Arya killilng her? Cool, but ultimately boring, Dany roasting her? Same.

I like that in the end it showed Cersei to still be human. I mean, she was basically sure she was going to win (and she would have if not for plot convenience) so having her witness her own downfall and realizing it was kind of poetic.

On the other hand Jaime was completely ruined as a character, but hey, at least we know whoever wrote the prophecy was a dyslexic moron who can't tell the difference between "dies by her brother's hands" and "dies in her brother's arms"

1. Would've been way more satisfying if she'd Tommen'ed out.

2. Ackchyually, valonqar is ancient valiryan for a brick.

Quote from Sebzero >>

Quote from GetchX >>

- snip -

 What you said about Dany is true at the same time it isn't. The rule in the show is that Targaryans are nutcases. Dany lost her mind because she has the Targaryan gen. She was a time bomb, wich exploded this episode.

 Except it isn't. In the show there are more perfectly sane Targaryens, than insane ones.

Quote from jainaishot >>

Apparently both the writers and the scorpions contracted the stormtrooper disease. In last week they picked of a dragon easily while in this, they could not aim for shit.

They kinda forgot how to scorpion. 

Quote from jainaishot >>

Also the best army in the world got picked off like rabbits.Mkay... 

They kinda forgot how to army. 

Quote from Kaladin >>

Quote from Essavias >>

Quote from Zpbridge >>

 

Quote from Essavias >>

Quote from Zpbridge >>

Way too many haters on the last episode. Drogon and daenerys watched as their brother/child Rhaegal suffered a painful death with a scorpion arrow through the throat. Then, Cersei murders that ebony lady (I forget her name.. Messelei or something), so what was Cersei expecting??? I liked how this episode showed how brutally powerful Drogon was, he’s basically a Deathwing in arena. 

The relentless massacre of thousands of innocent was tough to watch, but it’s GoT and this show is never easy to watch. Daenerys is becoming the new mad queen and will kill anyone in her way to reach the throne. Now the tables have turned and she is the tyrant.

and for those saying “oh the scorpions got nerfed” I mean really? Do you have any idea how hard it would be to hit a flying dragon with an oversized crossbow that is heavy and hard to maneuver? How fast does Drogon fly, like 70 km/hr? I’ve been hunting before and it wasn’t the easiest thing shooting a flying duck with a shotgun so I couldn’t imagine taking down a dragon 

1. "becoming the new mad queen" In scope of 1 episode, right. Helluva character development. 

2. Yet it wasn't an issue to 3 out of 3 a flying dragon just last week. From a moving fucking boat.

You're right about the show not being easy to watch though. Not for the right reasons.

Lol they got blindsided when they weren’t expecting it and were flying in a linear path. Apparently dragons are very intelligent creatures, so do you not think Drogon learned how to adapt to being shot at? For example like I don’t know maybe flying super low against the sea, always maneuvering, being very aggressive.

And also it wasn’t in one episode she turned. I think Daenerys started to change when she found out about Jon's true identity.  Think about it man, she’s been basically getting shat on ever since she went north to help out. 

 Ok, two episodes. You won. 

I mean, who cares about 7 seasons of character development, amirite? I know Jaime agrees.

 Dany has seen and experienced some pretty horrific shit in the past 7 seasons.  If you're going to argue that this is suddenly ruining her arc to have her lose her shit NOW and that it would have been more believable to have her go crazy earlier, then you would also have to argue that it would have been "sudden and ruining the character development" at literally any other time. 

 

Jaime's makes sense because he's been with Cercei a hell of a lot longer than he's been opposing her tyrannical rule.  I think in Season 8, the reality of war and the fact that he could actually lose Cercei and their unborn child starts to set in.   Up until then, it's simply been "Hey Cercei stop doing bad things," and now it's "Hey Cercei, don't fucking die okay?"

 1. Yes, it would make it helluva more believable to lose her shit GRADUALLY. Not with a switch flip. You want an example of how to progress a character from a good person into a monster - watch Breaking Bad.

2. No, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's once again 7 seasons of character progression thrown into a dumpster fire. Jaime didn't need  to become a hero, but he needed to keep the consistency of his character. And his actions in Ep4-5 are complete nonsensical.

Quote from Zpbridge >>

 

Quote from Essavias >>

Quote from Zpbridge >>

Way too many haters on the last episode. Drogon and daenerys watched as their brother/child Rhaegal suffered a painful death with a scorpion arrow through the throat. Then, Cersei murders that ebony lady (I forget her name.. Messelei or something), so what was Cersei expecting??? I liked how this episode showed how brutally powerful Drogon was, he’s basically a Deathwing in arena. 

The relentless massacre of thousands of innocent was tough to watch, but it’s GoT and this show is never easy to watch. Daenerys is becoming the new mad queen and will kill anyone in her way to reach the throne. Now the tables have turned and she is the tyrant.

and for those saying “oh the scorpions got nerfed” I mean really? Do you have any idea how hard it would be to hit a flying dragon with an oversized crossbow that is heavy and hard to maneuver? How fast does Drogon fly, like 70 km/hr? I’ve been hunting before and it wasn’t the easiest thing shooting a flying duck with a shotgun so I couldn’t imagine taking down a dragon 

1. "becoming the new mad queen" In scope of 1 episode, right. Helluva character development. 

2. Yet it wasn't an issue to 3 out of 3 a flying dragon just last week. From a moving fucking boat.

You're right about the show not being easy to watch though. Not for the right reasons.

Lol they got blindsided when they weren’t expecting it and were flying in a linear path. Apparently dragons are very intelligent creatures, so do you not think Drogon learned how to adapt to being shot at? For example like I don’t know maybe flying super low against the sea, always maneuvering, being very aggressive.

And also it wasn’t in one episode she turned. I think Daenerys started to change when she found out about Jon's true identity.  Think about it man, she’s been basically getting shat on ever since she went north to help out. 

 Ok, two episodes. You won. 

I mean, who cares about 7 seasons of character development, amirite? I know Jaime agrees.

All this time he was coming to save us from horrors of episode 4, 5 and most likely 6. #TheHeroWeNeeded.

Quote from Zpbridge >>

Way too many haters on the last episode. Drogon and daenerys watched as their brother/child Rhaegal suffered a painful death with a scorpion arrow through the throat. Then, Cersei murders that ebony lady (I forget her name.. Messelei or something), so what was Cersei expecting??? I liked how this episode showed how brutally powerful Drogon was, he’s basically a Deathwing in arena. 

The relentless massacre of thousands of innocent was tough to watch, but it’s GoT and this show is never easy to watch. Daenerys is becoming the new mad queen and will kill anyone in her way to reach the throne. Now the tables have turned and she is the tyrant.

and for those saying “oh the scorpions got nerfed” I mean really? Do you have any idea how hard it would be to hit a flying dragon with an oversized crossbow that is heavy and hard to maneuver? How fast does Drogon fly, like 70 km/hr? I’ve been hunting before and it wasn’t the easiest thing shooting a flying duck with a shotgun so I couldn’t imagine taking down a dragon 

1. "becoming the new mad queen" In scope of 1 episode, right. Helluva character development. 

2. Yet it wasn't an issue to 3 out of 3 a flying dragon just last week. From a moving fucking boat.

You're right about the show not being easy to watch though. Not for the right reasons.

Quote from user-100041474 >>

In case you don't know, the end is from the  forthcoming books and it was also pretty obvious from the start. GRRM, the author of ASOIAF said the ending would be bittersweet.

The show just shoehorned everything together because the final two books haven't been released yet and they for some reason completely rushed through books 4 and 5, ommiting everything that happened in past seven seasons and ruining characters arcs completely.

FIFY.

Meanwhile, back in Essos:

Ep5, except Hound/Arya, Hound/Mountain scenes:

Quote from Goebs80 >>

Quote from Essavias >>

Quote from Mono2627 >>

This was the best episode in this season so far. What’s wrong with you guys?

 I'm sorry, but just no. Literally 2 things made sense in this episode:

1. Tormund leaving - what happens next is not his fight.

2. Varys doing his thing FINALLY. 

Hound & Arya, Hound & Sansa scenes were a nice touch.

 

 The rest though...

- Iron Fleet: exists. Dany&co: Let's take the boats!

- Whole Bronn scene - what the hell was that? Do we get a 15-min short where he runs into each room with a crossbow looking for Tirion and Jamie? They should source Benny Hill's theme for it. Then, why does he agree to that deal, which isn't backed by anything? 

- Jon dumping Ghost. Completely out of character for JS.

- Two years of filming and editing to miss a FUCKING STARBUCKS CUP?!

- Aimbot Euron with heatseeking bolts. Hitting 3 out of 3 from an untested weapon on a moving boat at a flying target - just fuck you, writers.

- Blind Dany conveniently not seeing the Iron Fleet armada from a vantage position.

- Whole negotiations scene: Cersei paid Bronn to kill Tirion, but doesn't shoot him full of arrows now? And not wiping out the entire delegation? I won't take any "but diplomacy" excuses, cause it's completely and entirely out of character for her. She'd massacre them all in a heartbeat, cause she doesn't give a flying fuck.

- Euron not picking up a clue that it's not his muffin in the oven? He's not the brightest, yes, but not THAT dumb either.

- Missandei not even trying to go out with a bang. 

- Bran.

 

 "One dragon in recorded history has been brought down from the air by a projectile, and it was a one in a million shot... A mature dragon in the air is virtually invulnerable." - GRRM

 How do you know if a dragon is mature? Shoot it with a ballista, if it survives - mature.

Quote from Mono2627 >>

This was the best episode in this season so far. What’s wrong with you guys?

 I'm sorry, but just no. Literally 2 things made sense in this episode:

 The rest though...

Ok, while ep3 had at least some, not much, redeeming qualities, ep4 is straight up garbage. Pathetic. 

Battletag: Sundance#21127

Region: EU

Trade Only?: Yes, you go first

Quote from YourPrivateNightmare >>

Quote from ShadowsOfSense >>

- snip -

 so I'm just gonna refute all your points, because you're really not making much sense.

1) it doesn#t matter what their goals were, their tactics were absolute nonsense from any angle unless their plan was to literally suicide all their troops and hope for a miracle, because unless you forgot, Arya doing her ninja shit wasn't planned anyways. The plan was to lure the Night king into an open area with Bran and then kill him somehow. Meanwhile they don't set an ambush, leave Bran with Theon of all people (literally why not Jon, who doesn't even need to be on a dragon at all since he contributes barely anything to its combat)

 

 

Other than that, while I did somewhat enjoy the episode for pure entertainment value - it's a hot mess.