Hearthpwn

Wow, those statistics on HSReplay really go well since Dekkster posted this this list here.

BTW, he refined it with:

• -1 Kolkar Pack Runner which makes sense if you aren't running many cheap spells
• -1 Deadly Shot which is also natural because it's quite situational and competes with Mankrik's Wife
• -1 Warsong Wrangler which is debatable because it can quite reliably draw Teacher's Pet for turn 5 but the deck doesn't have great synergy with this card beyond Pet.
• +2 Death's Head Cultists to make the aggro match-ups less awful
• +1 Shan'do Wildclaw to make a copy of a Pet, which seems questionable, yet it can be interesting.

I'm going to try those changes out, I personally want Quick Shot in there for some targeted removal, for early game survivability.

I have given up on making Deathrattle Demon Hunter work, there are simply not enough good Deathrattle minions to make the archetype work. Even when you do manage to pull the Deathrattle synergies off, it seems not enough of a power spike to make it worth to put low tempo minions in a deck.

Maybe adding a Teron Gorefiend in the deck might help to trigger the Deathrattles more consistently and multiplying them.

We'll see if there is more support for the archetype in the miniset.

I'm really appreciating that you post off-meta decks and especially anything that Hunter Deck that isn't SMORCing hard.

I watched your video's on the deck and I was wondering if you did end up with another version than this one. Because I don't know if the current meta is favorable to run two Deadly Shots. I typically use the rule of thumb "Do I mind having both copies in my hand during the game?". And vs Paladin or Priest I think I wouldn't mind but vs a Warrior or Hunter it seems like a waste.
Furthermore with Mankrik and Barak Kodobane in the deck I think it's valuable to only have one three mana spell in the deck, because drawing the dead wife with Barak is just so much value and tempo.

Another idea that popped up while watching the games is: do we need two copies of Nagrand Slam? Especially with the current pool of 10-cost Minions has 8 minions in it, 50% to hit a good minion, Darkmoon Rabbit is VERY situational and I consider it as one of the worst rolls and apart from Y'Shaarj, the Defiler the other three Old god's are pretty Meh.

As we look at the current pool of 8 cost minions, there are 22 minions (because Primordial Protector can't draw itself) and 8 of those have an immediate impact the turn they are summoned (ie Rush, Charge and/or Taunt). So that's about 36% high roll.
There are bout 5 minions that are understatted, like most of the old gods and Natalie Seline is the worst outcome IMHO. So 23% chance of "MEH" and 4,5% of "Oh dear god NO!". The rest of the pack have decent 8/8 stats and some come with a bonus effect.

So yes, you have 14% more chance of hitting bigger stats, but only Scrapyard Colossus has an immediate impact on the board, which is only 12,5%.

Of course we make our match-up vs control less good when we cut a Nagrand Slam but we could switch it out for Vectus for more Deathrattle synergy or Guardian Animals for more consistency on the Primordial Protectors.

Here is the HSReplay Overview of this deck.

I might have contributed to reducing the winrate downwards on 2021-04-27 but it's quite useful to see what mulligans are favored in which match-up.

I was most surprised with the Pries match-up only being 50% but otherwise it seems pretty on point.

I'm a little surprised with you cutting Taelan Fordring, he has a double function: stop agro and draw the top-end of the deck, which is good vs control. I would rather cut Cairne Bloodhoof because he doesn't really impact the board state.

I'm curious how your changes pan out.

Yeah I get it, we need to get the balance right between offense and defense.

In my experience needing to pay 3 mana for a Hunter Secret typically isn't worth it in the current meta. A good indication is that most decks that play Secrets typically have a way to cheat them out. I did like the flexibility of discovering a secret but I ended up holding on to the secret because I needed to respond to the board immediately.

So yeah, I haven't faced any priests since the change but it the changes did improve my win-rate vs Paladin from 25% to 67%. My Win-rate vs Warlock stayed 100% so I would think that the offensive part is still quite good enough.

Because, come to think of it, the Mankrik - Barak Kodobane adds in some more offensive power as well Mankrik is a decent 3 drop with an upside that isn't conditional, Teron Gorefiend has the same stats but his upside is more conditional and can even be turned in a downside by priest (most run Focused Will now to combo with Hysteria.

So I'm quite confident that the priest match-up isn't harmed too much. Besides, like I said: we lack a spell-triggered Secret. Most control decks don't trigger Freezing Trap or Pack Tactics that often. So I'm not convinced that the secret package is the answer to the current match-up.

Furthermore I agree that Animated Broomsticks are not really a good synergy with this deck. I think that Death's Head Cultist does have some good synergy with the Tueaim Crescent, as you are trading with your face, you can use some healing, which can be multiplied by Teron Gorefiend.

I'll add the Decklist that I found on HSReplay, it shows the terrible match-up vs Hunter and other Aggro classes. So I thought I would try to improve those, as the other match-ups are pretty good anyways.

After playing and loosing too much vs Aggro Paladin (where I wished I had a Deadly Shot) for those super buffed minions) and Rush Warrior, I decided to make some changes to the deck.

And it seemed to have helped first I had a 43% Winrate (14 games) in dumpster Legend on EU
With my version I had 63% (19 games) but maybe my MMR was dropped enough and I maybe I learned how the deck worked by then.

What did I take out?
-2 Mystery Winners because I felt they were too slow and too inconsistent
- Cairne Bloodhoof because also pretty slow
- 1 Scavenger's Ingenuity because, you guessed it: too slow and you don't want to get stuck with two copies in hand.

What did I add? The Mankrik - Barak Kodobane package, draw is really good for Hunter and Mankrik is one of those crazy high-roll cards that can steal games, so doubling the chance to pull that is just nice.

And two Death's Head Cultist because it's good to have a 2 attack minion to combine with Trueaim Crescent to get another source of 3 damage to remove key minions early on. And it combines well with the Deathrattle package. It does seem a shame that I did cut the other source of Pack Tactics so maybe I need to look for another card that can be cut but I'm not seeing any position that warrants it, maybe Vectus because he is pretty greedy and typically isn't as good without Animated Broomsticks

I only need to learn to play less greedy with Teron Gorefiend, he is there to proc the eggs and sometimes consolidate the lead on the board.

Don't Sunscale Raptors dilute the pool for Warsong Wrangler?

I do agree on the Death's Head Cultist being a good addition to this deck I didn't cut the Adorable Infestation as it helps getting your minions above health breakpoints and it helps defending vs Devolving Missiles

I did end up cutting the Mystery Winner because many times having to pay 3 mana to actually get a Secret in play typically wasn't worth it and you don't always get the secret which you want. Also in my experience opponents can play too easily around the secrets. If only there would be a spell triggered secret like Cat Trick then I believe it would be so much better.
I think this card is mainly good in combination with Petting Zoo. 

Little update: I need some venting.

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I have played 9 games so far and was doing quite fine, until I met the OP card ATM: Crabrider on turn two with buffs, either Paladin with Hand of Adal combine it with double Argent Protector and your dead by turn 4 or Warrior with Shield of Honor, I managed to slow it down with Freezing trap but it needed all my rush and removal thanks to Trueaim Crescent to get to turn 9, where Alexstrasza the Life-Binder finished the job of course.

This is convincing me that beast synergy should get something back in Hunter, after loosing Houndmaster, Kill Command there is only discover Beast, or discover a copy of a Beast or give a Beast Dire Frenzy which are only slow plays.
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Damn I miss Crackling Razormaw that's the kind of synergy that immediately translates into an advantage on board.

But actually to make the deck even more competitive, what would you cut to add the Mankrik Barak Kodobane?

I would cut Cairne Bloodhoof and a Mystery Winner because I'm not impressed with the 1/1 body coupled to discovering a secret, it's a card with power.

I was thinking to improve the match-up vs Aggro, you might add Death's Head Cultist? 
I just saw a very comparably list by Dekkster where he does run Darkmoon Tonk and Jewel of N'Zoth but you are right that you need to survive to reach that point and still have enough damage to finish them off. But that's why he runs Baron Rivendare which is the ultimate Deathrattle card, isn't it?
He did run Animated Broomstick to handle aggro.

I'm inclined to test your deck first, just because I like Teron Gorefiend that much.

I'm 6 games in with this deck and I'm not convinced in any direction yet. Went 3-3 but most painful was loosing to a Priest with Mankrik being my very bottom card.

IMHO the early game isn't powerful enough because there is no proper support for Razorboar in most cases it's a 2 mana 2/2 and even when he did pull something from my hand, it stil wasn't convinving enough.

I think that your better off, not aiming for the low cost deathrattles, but only include good enough Deathrattles. Even Darkspear Berserker feels not good enough and even makes Hysteria better so I'm not really seeing this deck coming together for now.

Cool, it's Ecore100 with his take on Deathrattle Demon Hunter.

I have to admit that I haven't been able to wrap my head around this one to get a decent version underway. I'm not totally sold on the Vengeful Spirit so I'm gonna swap one out for Mankrik because he is just too good.

I'll let you know here how it went.

 Does this deck still work even after the Watch Post nerfs? Especially Kargal Battlescar I find a dubious card as it win-rate was already 50% before the nerf. 

So I read in today's Dekkster's chat that replacing the too greedy cards like Vectus and a Burning Blade Acolyte With Teacher's Pet should be a good way to increase the win-rate with this deck.

Scavenger's Ingenuity is already quite a gamble because of the many beasts in the deck, so I don't see why it could be an issue to put more beast in your deck. At least this one gives you a taunt on command and on turn 4.

I might want to play this deck!