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Some nice submissions so far, I feel like I went a bit too mild on the drawback though.

The idea is, if the opponent has a taunt out, this dude can't attack at all. Think the main drawback though is the mana slot it occupies, anyway, pm me for suggestions!

Hey, Orangespire!

Thank you for this list. This is probably the first deck on this site that I almost completely copy pasted in my client, because I was so eager to try it out.

At the time of this reply I've run 6-1 with the deck. The only change I made was instead of the 2 Snowchugger I put 2 Dragon's Breath because It seemed like a deck where I can fit it in. I don't know how the results would differ but it was pretty funny that whenever I would have already gotten the face damage with wolfriders my opponents would play belchers, and I really couldnt care less. Its also somewhat of an extra unexpected burn the opponent might not expect. Just throwing it out there.

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With only zombie chows and technicians by turn 3, it's difficult for me to see how this deck can survive against any aggro or midrange. I don't really feel that dragon synergy is the way to go with rogue, it's nice when it works, but for such a fragile hero as rogue, where your main method of removing small stuff is smashing your face into it, you really need all the consistency in stabilizing the board that you can get. 

My vision of what the ideal control rogue will look like once wing 4 hits is this:

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Minion (24) 1x Dr. Boom 1x Emperor Thaurissan 1x Kel'Thuzad 1x Ragnaros the Firelord 1x Sylvanas Windrunner 1x Trade Prince Gallywix 1x Big Game Hunter 2x Dark Iron Skulker 2x Knife Juggler 1x SI:7 Agent 1x Sludge Belcher 1x Sunfury Protector 2x Harvest Golem 1x Antique Healbot 2x Hungry Dragon 2x Piloted Shredder 1x Spider Tank 2x Zombie Chow	Ability (5) 2x Backstab 2x Eviscerate 1x Sap	Weapon (1) 1x Perdition's Blade
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I'm super excited about hungry dragon in rogue, since we are the class that can most easily deal with the 1 drop on turn 4, likely with a backstab or a hero-power dagger from a previous turn. (The Millhouse I've put in here is completely meta-dependent. If there are a lot of spell-heavy decks running around, I would definitely switch it out for something else, probably a spider tank.)

Week 4 holds 2 very important new minions for rogue, and I'm super excited to start to put them to use.  

Thanks for your input, to elaborate a little bit, in the aggro matchups owl is basically a 2 drop (silence a scientist, egg, knife juggler), same for edwin, the thing is, even in the normal circumstances chow and technicians can buy you alot of time. Preparation helps immensely, you don't use it for insane ramp like oil rogue usually does. Prepping a shiv is fine occasionally.

You are absolutely right, that aggro is a serious problem for this deck right now, and I agree that next wing is pretty huge for rogue. I will definately update the list with dark iron skulker to playtest him, but I have to work with the cards available right now, I have almost 150 ladder wins with the deck at the moment. 

I'm very glad your list did indeed forego the inclusion of a seemingly staple card - deadly poison which is completely detrimental to the rogue when you are trying to control board, yet sacrifice too much health for it.

I will tell you how I came to the dragons - I asked myself why was there never a reasonably viable control rogue, how does it differ from warrior, paladin and druid who are the dominating classes in that area right now. The conclusion I came to was that the class cards while very efficient, don't scale well in the late game. Compare a SI7 Agent to an Aldor peacekeeper for instance, or a Keeper of the Grove. And rogue has no lategame control options at all, except with the rise of trade prince Gallywix which is still pretty difficult to play. 

So here's what you do, you have to compensate with neutral minions. Board control with chow, but what other early game drops are there? I found none particularily exciting, but what do rogues love? Spellpower. Azure drakes give spellpower, well, isn't a 3/5 the best 3 drop in the game? The rest just kinda mended together piece by piece. I would recommend you check out the deck writeup if you haven't already, it contains alot of thought and I update it daily after my laddering.

Again, thanks for your input

People are seriously underrating this card, it's decent at it's worst.

I think Preparation would be a valid option for even crazier turns. Yes, I realise you want to play this as a midrange deck, yet I feel it has much more potential to be a tempo deck. Thus I also don't quite like the blackwing corruptor aswell as sylvanas in here. I would trade 1 corruptor for another iron skulker and trade the sylvanas for edwin. It's all theory anyways.

You could look at my control Rogue deck for reference - already using some dragon theme in there and doing quite well for now #sellout

jk, it looks interesting to say the least

Steveaus made some good points, but I don't condone the use of Rend Blackhand in a pally control deck. The commonly played legends are of no significance to paladin removal, and you even have 2 Equality [/card]in there. I strongly recommend cutting him for [card]Defender of Argus, who has insane value with technicians and the other paladin early drops and helps a ton with the zoo and hunter matchup.

For raw effectiveness on the 6 slot, gallywix is pretty unique in what he does, and what makes control rogue really strong in my opinion. But a guy with a big body might do - Toshley or you can add a bit of removal, since I'm struggling with the paladin matchup, Sabotage might be good, thanks for the interest! =)

Very peculiar list. I like it when people try to find a perfect balance with 1 of includes and I can see it here, very nice tuning. I'm a bit skeptical  about a few things though.

1)I'm fiddling around with lava shock myself, and interaction with only 5 other cards seems to be very vague in terms of pushing the value of the card - Would Neptulon not be a fit for this deck? I would sub a Fire Elemental for that (mind you it's just a suggestion, i'm too lazy to craft Neptulon and give it a try just yet). 

2)1 Earth Shock seems crazy to me, I may be biased towards that card, but I think the cheap, spellpower boostable silence is a must have in this meta. Especially with the dawn of sticky minions like Grim Patron and Imp Gang Boss that can steal away games by themselves.

Lastly - I feel like Loatheb though incredible in some matches, is the 1 thing I would replace to add a little defense to the list, the 2nd Sludge Belcher or a Antique Healbot would in my opinion be better.

That's just constructive critiscism on my part, overall I rated up, I like it, looks fresh to say the least

The people who are very adamant about swapping the Kezan for bgh need to understand that kezan can also counter their own kezan to get back your stolen secret. Druids, Priests and sometimes Paladins use it as a tech card, so it's not as dead as people think. Boom can be dealt with a hunters mark just as well, or the freezing trap. I'm experimenting with my own Hunter which I have labeled as control as opposed to midrange and i've been running a Kezan almost from the get go and it rarely disappoints.

Introducing: My very own Demon Hunter!!!!

Illidan Stormrage, Betrayer, and Lord of Outland...

Immolate is better than the mage's ping, but has a delay before it burns... can be used on heroes and minions, including friendly minions. This is great because one of the demon hunter's theme is sacrificing for the greater good, as seen with:

Of course, demon hunters will take control of demons and their powers.. while still maintaining synergy with the hero power, and mocking warlock demons:

Of course, it would be unwise to forget the shadow pacts that demon hunter make to defeat their foes...

Demon Hunters have as their main themes suffering, pain, demons, and windfury. Like warriors, many minions will benefit for being damaged, and I imagine some deathrattles are in order.

Selected in Arena: My soul longs for vengeance!

Opening Remark: None may challenge me!

Thanks: Fascinating, isn’t it?

Well Played: Is that all?

Greetings: You dare speak to me?

Sorry: Pardon me...

Oops: I regret nothing!

Threaten: YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

Attacking: Die, fool.

Concede: Though I be damned...

Thinking 1: I grow impatient.

Thinking 2: We must act.

Thinking 1: My blade thirsts!

Running Out of Time: The time has come!

Class:Prophet

Hero: Barime High Prophet

 Hero Power:

3 example cards:

Here is my idea , giving the Pirate class to none other than the leader of Bloodsail himself, Duke Falrevere. Pirates have always been an odd bunch, with fairly inconsistent themes and no heroes that can really run an effective Pirate deck. So, I decided to make my own, with a theme on constant attacks and efficient spells. Picture a cross between Hunter and Rogue.

The Hero power is fairly simple, and doesn't need much explanation. Hero powers are fairly easy to balance, just by using the criteria that if it were a card, the same effect would be worth 0. Dealing 2 damage to a target is worth 1, but is counter balanced by a downside. Thematically, it represents the infamous unreliability of the flintlock pistol, the preferred ranged weapon of choice among pirates.

Raid: The unique keyword for the Pirate class. It means: Upon attacking, do X. This ability will trigger before any damage is allocated. However, it only activates if you actually attack. Dealing damage to enemy minions while your opponent trades does not count.

An example of Raid in effect, and a very essential tempo card. That free weapon early on helps a lot with low cost existing Pirates, like Dread Corsair. 

An example of a necessary spell that influences the 'Huge Rush' theme. Only made it 1 mana, seeing as you need to play at least 2 minions to make it value.

More of the Utility side of things. This deck will feature multiple sleazy ways of getting through things that normally can't be ignored save by silence. 

Leader of SI:7

(Edit: due to possible confusion in cost reduction, I changed the text a little)

My Entry: Druid of the Wild.

Edit: Got image to work finally. Removed attachment.

The card meets the following requirements:

-A Mana Cost of "7"
-A Health of "7"
-Exactly 7 words of card text

For more info about Lore and Design Choices, See the Spoiler Below.

Okay, long post ahead. And if anyone feels insulted, I apologize in advance.

First, shout-out to all moderators to please compile all the Hunter salt threads into one because it's everywhere on the site. It's becoming unhealthy for the website, especially for new players, because they see Hunter hate everywhere. Due to the conforming behavior of human nature, the biased dogma that playing the Hunter class takes no skill (more on this later, in case you're hovering on the Quote button ready to argue without reading the whole post) could poison the minds of novices to this game, and they'll develop unnecessary hatred for the class indirectly because of consulting this website. No, I am not questioning the site; actually, when I started playing Hearthstone last December, a friend who was playing since beta suggested for me to come here, and I absolutely adore every feature. But if the plague of abhorrence for a misunderstood class continues to spread among the threads, then it could be seriously derogatory for the community as a whole. The Salt thread, sadly, does not contain the Hunter hatred from spreading. I have seen anti-Hunter posts from the Crafting Guide thread to the Paladin secrets thread, and it really bothers me.

Next, to OP (and to others, but I address OP mainly in the next sentence). First, thank you for putting constructive in the title to attempt to make this thread as calm as possible (although obviously, it did not work). But furthermore, I want to address something that bothered me ever since I opened this thread: the generalization of Hunter. As another person pointed out, there are lots of Hunter archetypes in existence, and although only a few are competitive (I used competitive because I believe that every deck is viable as long as it has 30 cards in it). These decks play differently, and generalizing them is just plain wrong. As an example, try replacing the Hunter in the questions with Mage. First question: Do you find mage class annoying/boring to play against? Um, there's Tempo Mage, Freeze Mage, Mech Mage, et cetera. How am I going to answer this without thinking of just one archetype? And to the people who are about to point out that the Hunter archetypes are not as diverse as the Mage ones, then I agree to an extent that the gray area is wider, yet the archetypes still have definite qualities to compare.

Next, to answer the questions (I suggest that people who vote do this as well to make this thread more constructive)

1. I have stated that you can't generalize the class as a whole, but I still vote no. First, because I play Hearthstone for fun and it's fun to play against all nine classes. Second, relatively, playing against other decks could be more boring/annoying, but it also depends on what decks you are playing yourself. For example, have anyone tried playing against Control Warrior as Control Priest? Boring at the beginning, and depending whether you get to Shrink+Cabal the Ysera, it's going to be annoying to either one. I'm not saying that it's not fun (it actually is, especially in the Cabal the Ysera part), but I just don't get why aggro match-ups are unappreciated like this. Yeah, playing against Face Hunter could be annoying, but only if they get insane starts boosted with insane draws. Topdecking a Kill Command also makes me so salty the Dead Sea pales in comparison, yet it's RNG. Topdecking has always been part of any card game, and even non-Hunter classes could topdeck into something worthwhile. And for the record, annoying and boring are not synonyms, so it's hard to answer.

2. Yes, because there's one more class to choose from. And frankly, the competitive Hunter decks are fairly cheap, especially if you can afford to buy even just the adventures. More class = more variety = more interest = more players.

3. Not really, but I want a new AoE to make Control Hunter competitive. So far, we have no board clear except Explosive Trap. Explosive Shot and Multi-shot could count, but they're not really AoEs. The most efficient one people are using is Knife Juggler+Unleash the Hounds, but it's not really something that you would classify as AoE; it's more of a combo play that could possibly be an AoE, like Warsong Commander+Grim Patron. It also won't hurt to have some more Beast synergies and some Feign Death synergies. But to balance a card? Nope, the cards are perfectly balanced. Underpowered, if I'm being really critical, but let's avoid some more flames.

4. It ruins the game in the sense that players hate it and they spread the hatred to their online communities. So, no.

(Disclaimer: I'm going to talk mainly about Face Hunter next in here.) Next point (and probably the most sensitive one) is the belief that aggro decks require less skill. I must say that I wholeheartedly agree. Surprised? Well, I have played both Face Hunter and Oil Rogue, and I must say that I make less misplays in Face Hunter because I have a definite goal, unlike Oil Rogue where I have to think about everything because one misplay might cost me the game. Yes, aggro decks are more forgiving of misplays than other decks, especially combo decks like Oil Rogue and Patron Warrior, but it's not as skill-less as people assume because as an aggro player, you always have to count the damage potential you have his turn, next turn, next next turn, and if the game is not yet over, the turn after that. I lost many Face Hunter games before because I played Creeper instead of Hero Power, causing me to be two damage off lethal next turn. Computing for your damage output every turn is a unique skill that Face Hunter requires (and Oil Rogue too, but their way is different) because they absolutely have no ways to snowball in board control. So to call it completely skill-less is moot. And you also have to think whether your opponent might have a board clear and removals and everything, just like any deck.

And the fact that they don't trade? Um, that's the point of the deck. Trading will almost always be unfavorable because it makes them lose steam. Face Hunter will of course trade with Knife Juggler or Flamewaker or Mechwarper because these cards could snowball out of control, or provide such a huge advantage in the damage race. Besides, their win condition is to distract you by putting in threat after threat and you have to react and react. And if you don't, you're dead. Does that sound familiar? Oh yes, Control Warrior has almost the same win condition, but instead of small minions, they instead use huge ones. It might be weak, but the connection is there. The difference is Control Warrior sustains first before threatening later. Face Hunter threatens now, and if you're still alive, sustain later.

And no interaction? They force you to make the trading if you don't want to lose. That's interaction. Besides, once you stabilize a little bit, Face Hunter would definitely trade as part of their "sustain till topdeck" mode, which is their desperation back-up plan. If you're mad that you're dead before you can react, then they had an amazing start unlike you, so just accept that RNG wasn't in your favor during that match. If you claim to play against a lot of Face Hunters, then you would see that some of these players have a turn 1 Abusive to turn 2 Hero Power to turn 3 Kill Command your Knife Juggler. It's RNG.

And last issue: the name-calling. "Cancer" Hunter, "Ebola" Paladin, Mech Mage-"tards". Will you people please stop doing that because it's not good at all? I had a grandfather who had cancer and it's not funny. Ebola is actually a serious issue and casually joking about that is very insensitive. Just, don't.

And here ends my two cents and two hours. I hope we can discuss this healthily in this constructive thread.

Horse Hero Confirmed:

An attempt to make Pirate decks viable (hopefully). The Raid Cards are at least one mana less than what they'd be worth normally, considering that you do not get the option of choosing (as usual). The Bloodsail Frigate itself is fair because it will likely only get you one card. You need Pirates on the board for it to activate in the first place, and by turn 5 your enemy should have answers. However, one card is still worth in a pirate deck, due to each being fairly useful.

Raid Cards: 

edit: forgot to make the Bloodsail Captain a Pirate.... woops