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    posted a message on All Rush cards have Charge now?????

    Patch April 1st 2020, that should tell you what it is.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from Screwjank >>

    Nice Golden Chillmaw

    Yeah, have golden copies of basically every Legend Dragon, except the Class specifics that aren't Mage, although the Aspects that were turned class specific I also have golden.

    Quote from Kathranis >>

    I don't think you can argue that this is a nerf. At most the change is neutral. "After" is not strictly worse wording, and is situationally better. The summoned 2/1s are also demons, which gives them tribal synergy.

    That said, since a big part of card games is the art, and golden cards specifically exist to put a premium cost on enhanced artwork, I don't think a full dust refund for changed art is an unreasonable request at all. Regardless of whether the card is good or bad, if a player crafts it because they like the art or featured character, it would at least be a nice courtesy for Blizzard to offer the same dust refund in the rare case that it is changed.

    Now, does that argument holds any water regarding the game's ToS? Probably not. Even giving full refunds for nerfed cards is probably a courtesy they aren't obligated to do, since I'm sure their ToS specifies you don't own the cards and they can be changed without notice. So I doubt you will have much luck pursuing a refund.

     Indeed, one can argue multiple examples for each side being better. My statement that Whenever is objectively better than After comes from the fact that Whenever has priority status, unlike After, and that is a mechanical advantage which is reflected on the timing of execution. Obviously, sometimes After will be better, but on an objective standpoint, an effect with priority status is better.

    It's not for nothing that going first in Hearthstone is a big deal, priority status is an important aspect of a game that have all mechanics working based on timing.

    Edit: Also, I'm not arguing anything from a legal standpoint, we are all renting access to our account without recourse in case we are locked out, that's not even a question.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from C_A_W >>

     Effect change is trivial and others don't matter at all. So basically nothing.

     I'm going to take your car, change it's paint job and model name and design, and I'll also change your pedals so that they only work if none of the other pedals is pressed. Then tell me it basically changed nothing. (Not comparing the severity of the changes, just an analogy to explain that the complaint is adequate as it would be with other products, it just happens to be a product that isn't important.)

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from SniperWolf >>

    They changed art. Go cry to blizzard on their forums, you aren’t farming any sympathy from the community. In fact this is the reason I distance myself from people like you in the community. Privileged and entitled brats. YEP. 

     And effect. As for the rest, I don't understand you, sympathy is pointless and not requested, should be obvious from the first post. But I do appreciate the distancing, means less people misunderstanding.

    Quote from Rradogs >>

    Remember when they changed the art to certain cards? There was never a refund for it, it only happens when there is a nerf. I don't think they should reimburse for something aesthetic.

    It is nerf, the effect changed and became worse. The effect timing is different, objectively worse because if is now no longer priority as it was before. 

    Quote from zynessa >>

    Yeah a dust refund isn't gonna happen. The card text was reworded, sure, but the effect is the same. "whenever" meant "after" in terms of that card. Things never happened simultaneously like OP is trying to argue, the effect of Xavius is indeed the same as Illidan used to be.

     No, Whenever and After mean different things, I already explained the difference in above posts if you are curious to know what changes.

    Quote from user-24703847 >>

    Cuz nothing change.

     As explained already, it changed. The character, the art and the effect of the card.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from TyrantrumRex >>

    Lmao. Self isolation is really getting to people.

    Nevermind economic assistance packages, governments need to start mailing out disposable douches, so people can start washing the sand out of their vaginas. 

    Apparently Covid19 also causes PMS symptoms in all sexes.

     If only people didn't complain, for example, back when they changed a bunch of artwork, and there were none of the other aspects you mentioned at hand.

    I said it once, I'll said it again. This is a Hearthstone forum, specifically the General Discussion. I'm not going to discuss WuFlu or Government measures here, because it's not Hearthstone related, and because it is against Hearthpwn rules to discuss politics. I'm more than happy to discuss those elsewhere, but here, I can't.

    Quote from HeilKise >>

     They said like a million of times they will change Illidan and i´m trying to understand your point because well i belive that yes it was not announced on patch notes. But that is the only point i give to you. It was a buff in terms of functionally and you said yourself the only reason for you to craft the card was have a illidan picture in your collection (or atleast that is what i get from what you are saying). You use the card? You really need the card to be Illidan?. I guess not because now you can see illidan all you want with the new art of the new heroe when you unlock him in 7 days. Or in the tutorial boss stage or in the battleground hero version.

    Because if you really care about THE CARD you would said something more like "why they dont give us the card as a legacy exclusive card for the people that own illidan before the change" or something like that. You just want to get they prize of he card back and finally get a good excuse to make the request, maybe?.

    You dont seem like a sneaky person but i neither feel like you are really "hurt" for what you lose but more for not being able to refund the card.

     It's interesting because I didn't come across any information like that. I don't watch their streams, I read news here and sometimes on their launcher. I didn't come across that information, so obviously they didn't provide it in the launcher.

    I don't need the card Illidan. I had a Golden Illidan because I'm a collector, and since there was an Illidan card, a character I like, I liked having the Golden version. Now there is no Illidan, so I would like my dust back, because I don't want the Xavius card. There are other cards I would rather craft. Generally speaking, people crafting golden cards tend to do so because of collection purposes.

    What do you mean by me being hurt? I'm annoyed they decided to change a card that I crafted Golden and didn't refund me for it. I crafted it golden for a reason, so changing it is annoying, I have the right to complain, I did to their support team. It doesn't hurt me. I bought an item, the item was changed and is no longer what I bought, so I want my money back. it's just the same that I would do with any other product. Hearthstone or not.

    (If the maker of my car decided to suddenly come and change the model of my car and the paint job, I would do the same. And I assume anyone here would as well)

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from thazud >>

     I call BS on that. Sure, you asked but you created this to vent. If you only wanted information a simple Google search would have sufficed. 

    Good luck with the refund. 

     I didn't Google search, I opened the Hearthpwn pages related to the expansion, the patch and the Demon hunter class, and I Ctrl F'd for Illidan to see if there was any information on this, but didn't get anything. I could have googled, but I assumed I would get more specified information here on Hearthpwn.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from sPacEtiMe19 >>

     Lol ohhh here we go you're the type that tries to split hairs to win an argument with the "sounds like/seems like" crap. Language can be interpreted, and most people understand, and there are few alive that would be unable to be able to determine the meaning of the response. 

    But all of that being said, if you're going to take this petty position, then fine. You literally, based on the verbiage used and sentence structure utilized, seem as if you are the age of ten.

    And just a pro tip, when you do things like respond with "you couldn't possibly know what I sound like because you are reading," that exact type of response is that of a child. 

     You missed the point. Kids are the one that constantly use literally incorrectly. Everything is literally this or that to them, hence why I said that. You used my legitimate complaint about a childish subject to assign me age, so I decided to use your own improper use of language to do the same to you. This should have been enough to tell you that it wasn't a good idea to take that road.

    There's infinite ways you can go that you can use to assign age to others, that is why.

    I obviously understood what you wrote, just like you should have been able to understand that my complaint was valid, despite the fact that the subject regarding the complaint, Hearthstone, is a childish one.

    Regarding my sentence structure and verbiage, I can't tell, I'm not a native english speaker, so I have no problem believing you there.

    Well, it is correct, even if it seems to you like that of a child. Truth is, you don't know the state the person is when writing something online. Sometimes you can tell, but even then, you don't know if they are writing honestly. Unless you have never met an online troll, to which I will tell you, ignore this. They totally do not exist, and all the apparent reactions you see online are totally always genuine and never faked.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from KnivesOut >>

    Continuing to #babyrage because you missed the announcement is not helping your case. There are many more important things to worry about right now (i.e., literally anything besides this).

     Yeah, I mean, I've been raging for a lot of posts about missing the announcement, that is exactly what the posts past the first one turned into...

    Interesting though, what are those Hearthstone only important things to worry about? (I'm asking this because I believe you don't expect me to go on a rant about pandemics on Hearthstone General Discussion, not about politics involved in a forum where it is against the rules to talk politics...)

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from sPacEtiMe19 >>

     How so? Literally, an extended form of literal, means exactly. Your complaint is and sounded very childish, and the manner in which you conveyed it sounded like that of a 10 year old. So yes, you literally so sound like a 10 year old.

     I cannot literally sound like a 10 year old because you are reading what I wrote, not listening to me speak, I didn't emit a sound, so I cannot sound any particular way, not literally. Literally means using the word to it's real, literal meaning. Also, I could tell you the same complaint using a different product and you would agree with me, well, at least you should.

    Nothing in the complaint or the manner I conveyed it is childish, the only thing you can say is childish is the subject at hand, meaning the game, which it is, that is why the complaint seems childish to you, because it is addressing a problem in a childish subject. The same complaint in a different subject will not seem childish to you as long as the subject is not childish.

    Quote from Cyr >>

     I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this change the function of the card?

     "Whenever" cards have their effect take place before the trigger takes effect. "After" cards have their effect take place after the trigger takes place.

    Imagine I have Illidan with Whenever, and an old Knife Juggler (which had "When" instead of "After") and my opponent has no minions and is at 1 HP. If I play Dirty Rat, the Knife is juggled before the enemy minion is pulled from the hand, which means I kill the opponent.

    Now change it to Xavius and everything else the same. Now, the knife will only be juggled after the enemy minion is pulled, leading to a 50/50 kill, because Xavius has to wait until Dirty Rat's effect finishes before it summons the 2/1.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from TMRobinson >>

     take a chill pill or take this discussion to the salt forum or both

    That is one of the issues that comes from online discussion, you have no idea what state I'm in, you make a guess, yet you are incorrect.

    Then again, I can't blame you considering this is a Hearthstone community, you have to guess from the average.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from thazud >>

     Request all you want. But if you are serious about it why bother writing a forum post instead of directing your request to Blizzard? This is salt and nothing else. 

     Well, as you may guess, I request the refund on the appropriate place. Here, as the thread should tell you at the start, I inquired on whether this was announced or they did it without informing us.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from TMRobinson >>

     he's not lol. next time they make any changes i hope they notify this guy first he deserves to know

     That would be funny if they didn't literally provide you a notification when you enter the game of changes they make. I'm not asking for anything new, just for them to be consistent.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from sPacEtiMe19 >>

    God you literally sound 10 years old. 

    If you are, my bad. If not, grow up. 

     The same 10 year old that doesn't know the meaning of the word literally? As in, you.

    Either way, I have the right to be annoyed and request refund, just like with any other purchase. I bought an item, and the item was changed into something I didn't order and without my permission.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.
    Quote from Koldunec >>

    You're wrong, they've broken his functionality too.

    The change is: "Whenever" -> "After",

    so all these funny videos about returning minions back to hand before their battlecries are history now.

     Good point, it is actually also a mechanical change, which should provide full dust.

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    posted a message on What the F Blizzard? They changed Illidan.

    Did they announce this? The Classic Illidan card is no longer, it is now the attached card.

    This is BS. I specifically crafted a golden copy years ago because it was Illidan, I wasn't notified of this, I didn't read any news, and there is not even a refund. It's the same card functionally, but I crafted it because of who it was, the card is useless just the same, I want my dust back.

    Edit: As pointed out, if is not functionally the same, as Illidan's effect trigger "Whenever", while Xavius triggers "After".

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