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Pretty good, but not a game changer like Sunkeeper or Tirion. Can sometimes come out as a 3/7 in the right deck, which makes it a big threat, but even alone it can't be ignored or it will grow fast. Plus, the 5-drop slot isn't very crowded in Midrange Paladin (right now).
And come on, I'd play it for the art alone.
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Say hello to the new overlord of the Arena.
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Frankly, I'd rather use my Houndmasters on Rat Pack or Carrion Grub. Being untargettable has its perks, but a 3-health minion on turn 3 gets removed by pretty much any board, and so many weapons, that it feels very "meh".
A 6/5 Taunt on turn 4 sounds good, but it requires this surviving... which means you're just dominating the board anyway.
Decent in Arena, as far as all 4/3 three-drops can be. Probably won't make the cut in Constructed over Animal Companion, Rat Pack, Cloaked Huntress and Eaglehorn Bow.
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I, personally, seriously doubt this deck had as a big of a strangling effect on the meta as its detractors presume.
1) The deck never had a very impressive win rate.
2) It showed a large performance gap between high and low ranks - from this we can conclude it actually had a significant skill ceiling. Most posters on here would agree having decks that reward skill is good.
3) It is a "meta-call" deck - it hard counters certain decks and is weak to others, which means, again, that choosing to pilot it (or to pilot a counter deck if it becomes too prevalent) rewards skill (in a meta reading sense).
B) The deck closes games "too quickly". What is "too quickly"? Old Face Hunter, old Aggro Shaman, current Pirate Warrior or Token Druid, there are many decks who regularly end games even more quickly than Quest Rogue, They punish greedy lists and plays.
C) The deck allows "no counterplay". Well, this is Hearthstone. There is next to no counterplay at all in the game. Still, there are ways ti disrupt Quest Rogue, so I feel this comes from ignorance.
D) The deck "pushes control out of the meta". Really, now? I get that it's a polarizing deck, but a deck with 5-10 % presence alone cannot push entire archetypes out of the meta. And still, even if Quest Rogue should disappear, Jade Druid is there to take its place as the "anti-control" meta call.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, from a purely competitive, analytical viewpoint, Quest Rogue certainly didn't deserve a nerf. The effect it has (if it has any) on the meta can be replicated by other decks, it actually requires some measure of skill, it doesn't win that often or that fast, and is actually easy to counter.
But, well, people hate it. So there goes the ban-hammer. I get it, it's an intelligent business decision - heck, MtG also banned entire archetypes because they were so hated that they could see drops in tournament attendance. It's just disappointing, because it shows how little actual game balance actually matters for the playerbase - and by extension, for Blizzard.
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The Caverns Below. Now I know the deck is hated, but I crafted it day one, wanting to see if it worked. The way it forces deckbuilders to look at overlooked cards makes it a very interesting design - it might be a little overtuned, but it remains a nice idea. Plus, bonus points for being the only quest (with the mage one, I guess) that is not extremely boring and straightforward (play X of Y).
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People hate losing. People hate being outplayed. Both send them a negative image of themselves, and as such, as a defensive measure, people tend to blame external factors for their losses (this deck is overpowered, the matchmaking is rigged, the RNG wasn't on my side) and disregard opponent's skill, thus preserving their ego - despite losing, one likes to think of himself as the "good" player, and the opponent as a "bad" or "lucky" player.
In short, it doesn't matter how skill-intensive decks are. As long as some decks win, a huge part of the playerbase will consider them as skill-less, thus protecting their self-esteem. Actually, most high performing decks *are* skill intensive - low skill ceiling decks tend to fall out of favor quickly.
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My biggest gripe right now is Arena balancing. It felt like they were trying to improve it, but then they had to go ahead and give the most insane cards to the three most historically dominating classes - and with the spell offering bonus, the increased rate of higher rarities, and (for Mage) endless spell generating effects, it feels like everyone packs mutiple Meteors and Primordial Glyphs, Envenom Weapons and Vilespine Slayers, or Spikeridged Steed.
God, I miss the Piloted Shredder days. At least everyone had access to it.
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That being said, Token Druid is a good deck, and has the potential to make tier one if the stars align (as in, the meta shifts so its good matchups are more prevalent). I'm guessing that it is more effective early in the season, as it's essentially a Zoo-like deck that punishes unrefined decks and Combo Rogue, and that can tech efficiently against Murlocs and Pirates. However, should it become top dog, it can be hated out. I don't see it as a meta-defining deck, more as a balancing force.
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Both quests actively reduce your chances to win. Warlock would rather have an early game minion to play, and Druid can't afford to durdle around and play with a one-card handicap. Both rewards either help you win an already won game, or do essentially nothing to save you if you were losing.
Both decks can be good - however Discard Lock and Ramp Druid are better without the quest than with it.
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To all Freeze Mage players : I sincerely hope you fall down asshole first on a rusty pike. Preferably, you wouldn't die immediately. Your suffering will bring me much pleasure, and will make you feel somewhat the same way I feel playing against your mind-numbingly boring excuse of a deck.
(And to Blizzard : why in hell you introduced the Hall of Fame but didn't send Ice Block to rot in it is beyond me. You say you're not keen on uninteractive combo decks, but the truth is, you're not keen on non-Mage uninteractive combo decks.)
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You, sir (or lady), were quite visionary. Although it ain't tier one or anything, Miracle Priest is present on the ladder, and the legendary turned out to be a key piece of it. Bravo!
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I gave this deck a spin, and I liked it. However, it felt like the quest was superfluous - in twenty games I have completed it two or three times, and never even played the reward. Wouldn't a plain C'thun Warrior work just as well? What is the quest's purpose? What matchups does it improve / win?
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Well it's better than that 5/5 Windfury. It's something... I guess.