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Read the thread for this week's tavern brawl (heroic brawleseum) and repeat that.

Did you mean Augmented Elekk to get more copies of Vashj Prime?

I would assume they would completely stop catering to any FTP players at all if they saw the ratio of ultra-whiney, entitled troglodytes they were enabling if they were.

I assume it would just be depressing for them if they did. Especially the ones that work hard on the game to see nothing but constsnt salt, and demand for more free stuff. 

They'd gain no real insight anyways, since there only seems to be the above mentioned people who will likely never add any monetary gains, so who really cares? As a business, there's literally no value to catering to these players, other than supplementing a player pool that would likely be big enough just amongst short burst FTP players. We'd see alot less Face Hunters too.

I can't believe I'm wasting my time posting this. if mmr matchmaking is "rigging", then every sport and game EVER is rigged.

The definition of ladder play is rigged.

They play games... 1st place plays second place (high mmr)... 3rd place place 4th place (medium mmr)... 5th place plays 6th place (low mmr), etc, etc... That is how matchmaking for just about everything works... You play, you are ranked, you are placed with equally matched players... Every sport has different levels, all of them are marked milby difficulty based on the skill of those playing.

Matchmaking can pretty much assure "fair" matchups... Going beyond that into "in game rigging" is LITERALLY pointless. They can achieve their goals without putting "corrupt" programming into their game which would inevitably be found by freelance programmers. There going to risk their lucrative esports franchise just to piss you off? Or, to get the 50% average winrate by which they are already getting through mmr matchmaking? 

Same reason athletes don't really use steroids anymore... Not worth it.

Please. Get a grip.

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Why cant this post be in the Salt Thread?

oh cause some ppl think we need their cryposts.

 bruv the manz makez a good point cuz.

 Wow...you have quickly become BY FAR the most annoying poster on hearthpwn.  Blocked...congrats.

 

 Yeah, originally I got a slight gas out of the retro slum London or Johannesburg ghetto white kid slang, but it combined with the usual context got old fast... Waiting for him to start typing onomatopoeia to emulate gun noises.

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a deck can have 51% win rate and still be broken becouse some deck have high skill cap protrol warrior was like 70% win rate for good players but onyl 30% win rate for bad players

 Lol, how were these "bad players" defined to get to this number? I just wonder, how was it determined to estimate these 30% among "bad players"? What statistic tool was used to estimate players' skill?

I was a pretty shitty player at that time, no doubt about it and I was climbing like crazy with Patrons. First time ever I achieved rank 5 was with Patrons (and the fact it was first time pretty much confirms I was quite shitty, because I actually TRIED to hit Legend back then).

I love such posts - "Here, have some numbers! See? I know what I am talking about, I give you NUMBERS".

Who cares the numbers are taken straight up from your ass.

I took these numbers as example... I really don't get what necessitated this reply... Generally when exact figures aren't available, you would use approximated figures to illustrate your point.

He was explaining a deck with a low skill cap which has an overall winrate of 50% will have something like a 45% winrate for bad players and a 55% winrate for good players.

A deck with a higher skill cap and a 55% overall win rate will have a 70% winrate for good players, and a 40% winrate for bad players.

Obviously there's medium-bad, and medium-good players within that threshold, and the number of good vs bad players will obviously fluctuate the average. An average winrate will generally be closer to that of "bad players", because there are generally more of them.

Is his point somehow invalid, because he didn't cite an exact number for his example? Do I need a bibliography for my post to quote my random, nameless, metaphoric decks?

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Buying packs of ANY expansion in this game is like burning money, buying 40 packs may give ABSOLUTLY nothing, lately Blizard has been scamin people via crappy bundles like Jaina's or mega wild bundle, this is a trend that will likely continue, they already removed the pity timer for legendarys and I found out opening less legendaries than ever and getting even less value that costs more than 1 dolar for 5 virtual cards.

If you haven't invested any money yet I recommend you investing in a more user friendly card game than in any Blizzard game, good luck.

 I don't get this... If you enjoy hearthstone, and want to spend money on it, then spend money on it... I spend like $150 a month on coffee, and like $600 a month on comic books and graphic novels... Why? Because I worked my ass off most of my life, and invest the rest of my money quite well to have grown a fairly large entertainment budget, so I can spend my rare free time exactly how I want. The $160 I spend on a hearthstone expansion wouldn't even cover a night out at the bar when I used to be into that crap...

I only play hearthstone about 40 hours a month, and buy approx 2 bundles per expansion. Money: Time spent is a great deal as far as I'm concerned

My girlfriends makeup budget... THAT is ridiculous.

Find a deck you like, and spend around that... If you're playing wild, and you like a deck that uses WotOG, buy those packs and hope... I'd probably just suck it up, and ftp until next expansion and buy bundles... Although I'm a whale, so I'd probably just drop a couple hundred on all current expansions.

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Also there are some mods who honestly have nothing better going for them in life than just flexing their banhammer here to make themselves feel important. Not gonna call out any names but they are the same mods that spam the front page with the hottest decks of the meta every 3 days.

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Let me close this by sayign that moderation discussion like this is NOT permitted in the open forums. As seen in this thread it only leads to off topic debate. 

So going to ask you to drop any further moderation discussion and take any issues you have up with me or any one else on the moderation staff.

Thanks!

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Literally don't have the strength not to post this... Don't even care...

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Clearly you didnt pass school. Or learned reading with a donkey. Pay attention next time to understand whats going on.

 

 Ironic. 

Yeah, it's one of the benefits of playing a computer TCG.

Unreal 

I'm going to get my account suspended if I reply what I want to this highly enlightened, well thought out post written by a clever lad, who's certainly beyond capable of critical thinking and foresight. 

Cards are always at their strongest in the meta in which they're released, right? There's absolutely no way Glide could get better in a control/combo meta.

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That's like predicting that in another few hours the sun will rise.

 Sun is up here... Won't be coming back up for another 15 hours... Like the other guy said, that's relative.

More like saying water is going to be wet.

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Conspiracy theory was a term developed to discredit people telling truths that the power structure did not want spoken. It was a way to discrediting people without having to deal with the subject they are talking about.  So when the mods here say they don't want conspiracy theories, what they really don't want is people to speak the truth about this game. 

 Um, bullshit? Conspiracy theories are theories based on no or weak evidence meant to incite others. If you don't have proof, it's not the truth. And even if it's true, you're more likely to be right by coincidence.

People don't even present STATISTICS when they talk about Blizzard stacking the game, or whatever they think they're doing. They just go "Oh, it feels true,"

And this wouldn't be the thread for that anyway...

Anyway, I'm sick of getting high rolled. Kinda wish the game wasn't built around it quite as much.

 Your modernity brainwashing has taught you that you need an exact smoking gun to believe anything. Have the guts to stop being in denial about things that everyone knows it’s true. That’s called an open secret. Don’t go and say game isn’t rigged then contradict yourself in the very next sentence. Stop being naive.

 This type of nuttery has become commonplace in all points of society.

Why would someone believe something there is no EVIDENCE for??. Millions of people play Hearthstone. A few hundred people get salty and start screaming about the game being rigged. That doesn't make it so. Hearthstone literally has NOTHING to gain. People always scream about poker sites being rigged too. Like a site would throw away a multi-million dollar organization, just to make 200 people lose. How stupid is that? People deconstruct coding on games all the time looking for fishy things. When they find stuff, it's all over gaming news. When they don't, no one says anything, because there's nothing to say. 

A bunch of people patting themselves on the back, reassuring each other that something is true without evidence is called confirmation bias. If you need confirmation bias, your idea probably isn't true.

There is literally tons of evidence. Blizzard flat out admits that they manipulate things like occurrence rates of cards, etc. However all you need to do is look at ZTG. The card reads the board then offers the best possible cards. I am always amazed by people that actually believe that this type of programming isn't used throughout the game. 

If you don't see what they have to gain by this then you don't understand that this is a business. People that are spoon fed cards on curve and top deck winners play longer. When they are eventually beat by a certain deck featuring cards that they don't have they spend money to either discover one or get enough dust to create one. They then achieve the same approximate 50% win rate that Blizzard has stated as their goal and the cycle repeats. This is basic shit here. 

 

 I could go kill someone... I have lots of tools I could do it with... But, I won't.

Can does not equal do.

There's lots of evidence of people showing your ideas are fake. The fact that it's all confirmation bias... You remember the 20 times the odd thing happened, and forget the 20,000 times that it doesn't.

You have provided zero evidence, and that's because it doesn't exist.

This is like arguing religion... There's no evidence that there is no God, so there must be a God... Right?

They manipulate matchmaking through MMR to maintain a 50% winrate.

As I said before, people are constantly deconstructing game codes, so why has no one found this magic code that makes everyone except you win? Since they use matchmaking algorithms, they do their best to keep people at 50% winrates. They dont need to mess with the in-game outcomes, because they're already classing people.

No one that makes this complaint even offers compiled data... Its always just, "so obvious".

If this magic game tinkering code were found by the people who are constantly dissecting game code, it would be big news, and would really mess up Blizzards business, and completely discredit them in retail sales, and even more so in the multi-million dollar industry that is esports. Not worth the risk, when they can maintain swings with high impact cards, and matchmaking.