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Quote from Wizzlewix >>

It would be a very interesting addition, although I think 6 cards might be too much (maybe 3 or 4 would be better in terms of balance, timing and interface).   I think it would definitely favour control decks a lot more than aggro decks but it would be nice to be able to tech cards in for certain matchups where they hardcounter you.  It might make people play more cautiously against decks they would normally be strong against.

 Well yeah, I guess 6, as the 1/5th as an analogy to MTG's sideboard, which allows 15 cards to a 60 card deck (1/4th in this case, but anyway). It could be 3-4. I don't think aggro would be weakened. Instead they could use the sideboard for Silence, if their opponent is a controlish deck. Or you know, tune the deck to the needs of every match-up. Some low cost AoE against Warlocks etc etc. I think 3-4 cards could work as well.

Would you have to put all of the sideboard cards in or could you just pick 1 or 2?

Pick as many as you like. There should be a timer though. In the future there could also be some synergies that draw cards from the sideboard, but I guess it could lead to a couple of broken combos hehe.

Disclaimer: This is not a ragepost or a salt thread. I am just trying to have fun experimenting with new ideas for the game, that could actually take place at some point. Please take your negativity away or move along, thank you.

I suggest, as have others, the existence of a sideboard. Sideboards, in other card games, contain a number of cards that can be switched with cards from your main deck, in order to try and play around certain tactics. But, you can use the sideboard, only once you've played the first game with your opponent, since games are usually Bo3.

Now, how Hearthstone can implement a sideboard, since the games on ladder are singles? Honestly there are a couple of ways, but I believe the best choice would be to use it before mulligan. It should be a small extra deck located next to your deck, once you're deckbuilding and should not contain more than 6 cards. Now 6 cards are not much, but it wouldn't be healthy for the game, if players to manipulate their whole deck, making a completely different deck, but rather 1/5 of it. A player before each match begins, once the Heroes are announced by the Innkeeper, will be able to drag cards from their "Sideboard" if they want to, in the place of cards of their main deck, for this match only. There has to be a timer, certainly and it will be followed by the mulligan. 

So here's a poorly-made simulation:

You're making your Old God Druid and everything's fine. Once you complete the 30-card deck, 6 extra slots will appear to the side, labelled as "Sideboard".  So you put on those 6 cards, some heal, taunt, armor, or techs like Silence/Secret removal etc. You Q on ladder and you find a Priest. Everything's fine, usually Priests are control decks, you just play the game with your ramping and dropping late game bombs. Next you find a Demon Hunter. When the Innkeeper annoucnes the names, you choose the option "Sideboard", and you switch a couple of ramp cards and maybe an Old God, for more healing and taunt options. Next game, there's a Mage, so you choose sideboard and you put in Secret removal in the place of an Old God. And so on. 

Personally I don't think this is a completely necessary addition to the game, but all in all, it would test the skill of the players and would create a whole new area of strategies to discuss and make content about. What do you guys think? 

Traveller and Riftblade are awesome. Well designed and great artwork.

I replaced 2x Fungalmancer with Lothraxion and a Bellringer Sentry and it fares a lot better.

Hello, has anyone seen this bug?

I was playing Highlander Druid on Wild. I played Zephrys the Great, with Flobbidinous Floop in my hand. After playing Floop (as Zephrys), my opponent removes him one time and he get summoned again as a 3/2 and is unable to interact with, BUT takes space in my board.

This happened 3 times to me today.

It really surprises me that there are still so many crybabies playing this game. How about you quit if you don't like it? No?

Ok then allow me to convince you.

First of all, I am on your side. I am not a whale. I have invested a total of 220$ in the game from closed Beta. It's not completely F2P, but certainly not a whale, not even close to the half of half of what a whale has spent from Closed Beta. I DO believe that Hearthstone IS expensive. By expensive I mean for what it has to offer. As many others I've been playing MTG for quite some time and spent lots and lots of money there. True, MTG is more expensive so I found Hearthstone to be cheaper. Instead of spending around 700-800$ annually on MTG, you can just spend 240$ and be semi-competitive. BUT, there's the downside that you don't own the cards and there is no agreement with Blizzard that will guarrantee you a refund in case the game shuts down. Whereas in MTG you can actually trade your physical cards. Therefore, Hearthstone is expensive because it is a hollow investment, meaning you only get emotional pleasure with no physical representation.

However, this doesn't mean that you can't enjoy it otherwise. The game "obliges" you to pay money to stay at least relevant, but at the same time it doesn't. There are plenty of modes you can play and plenty of things to do, but speaking for myself, I play exclusively Wild. Like you, I thought that I couldn't stay relevant on the game, because of the sheer pressure of Standard, but once I got introduced to the magic world of the Wild format, it sparked again my will to play the game. I had all the cards and didn't have to spend anything. Since not all cards can be played in Wild, you need only certain cards. Therefore, I farm gold and do big openings for the next expansion. I don't dust all the extras, since I don't have to and I've gained some good dust value from certain nerfs. All this leads me to enjoy the game, play ALL the decks I want and I've only spent throughout these years around 200$. 

Therefore, you have 2 options here. Either explore Hearthstone and give it another shot, apart from Standard,(Duels, Arena, BG, Wild), or quit it. Because  right now, you become toxic. We know the game is expensive. And we know that if whales stopped spending that much on the first day of the pre-order announcement ffs, we could possibly enjoy lower prices. But, crying all the time about it, isn't helping. Maybe you guys need a break from Hearthstone, see what's out there, dunno.

If you are worried about your finances in the first place, why spend them on pixels that give you temporary emotional pleasure, instead of trying to fix your bills? 

Get over it. It's called free market policy and it's part of our good old capitalism, ungrateful swines. They are allowed set the price as high as they want. You are allowed NOT to buy it. 

God bless y'all.

Quote from Geoff >>

 

If you want to find the culprit, don't look at Blizzard - look at the community. At the people wishing to spend ridiculous amounts of money, while being blatantly milked. Blizzard and every other company does only as much as their customers allow them to get away with. Blame Blizzard for using the opportunity to earn more money? It's just hypocritical, every one of us would use an opportunity to earn more money. Blame the playerbase!

 Finally someone gets it! 

Hearthstone has become expensive because people were willing to pay so much money ALL THIS TIME. If Blizzard saw that nobody was getting anything, re-evaluate their milking policies.

Let's make this a trend. #Blamethewhales xD

Quote from Denza >>

What makes you think you are not wrong lol? So Standard should be a whale-only mode now? Sorry if I can't spend 1k dollars a year for a declining digital card game. 

 Oh, I am so sorry to break it up to you, but this is how companies work, this is how TCG work. Are you even 18 years old? Why should they make their product cheaper? Just because you don't like paying a lot of money? Do they owe you anything? Does Blizzard have a debt on Denza? Probably not. But, let me set things straight, since I may sound a bit aggressive.

It's a luxury man, whether you like it or not. The fact that you or me don't have to work 16 hours a day just to get 2 decent salaries combined, meaning that we have time to complain on an online platform about a video-game not being cheap, is a luxury. Which means, that we can definitely afford AT LEAST the time to do so. But generally, we are talking about a hobby, which, like all hobbies, is DEFINITELY time-consuming and MAYBE money-consuming.

And that's how all these card games are, to begin with. When I was younger I was into MTG (the TCG version), which required a hellish amount of money as well, when I was playing Standard, JUST to be able to be relevant. I am not even talking about going to PTQs and stuff, but just to be able to get a non-negative score on FNMs. The cost of cards there becomes REALLY absurd, since we are talking of physical copies, which means market fluctuations and inflation sometimes, which is a real hell if you want to play this game and you're looking for the cards and you can only find 2-3 sellers, selling those cards at like 30€ PER PIECE! So you can resort to more budget cards, but still you need a decent landbase (for mana generation), which is also expensive as hell. Price/demand analogies are a nightmare. 
So me and my friends resorted in playing different formats than Standard. You can play Modern or Legacy (like Wild in Hearthstone) where you pay once a huge amount of money (of which a 20% was covered by Standard cards we had), but you always play this deck (unless, WotC decides to ban it, which is sad af, since your cards go to 0 value instantly). You can play Commander if you want to have fun without spending a sh*tload of money, or Pauper where all players are restricted on playing ONLY Common cards. Heck you can even just buy pre-release sets and test your deckbuilding skills on draft with your friends.

Where am I going with this, you may ask. It's ALMOST the same in Hearthstone. There's the Standard format, where you have to pay good amounts of currency in order to be able to keep up with the metagame. Ideal for those who want to live every now and then a completely new experience, but at a pricey cost. There's wild, where you don't have to spend abusrd amounts of money and you can get pretty fast all format staples there and play a ton of fun decks. Then, we have the Duels, which I can honestly say that they feel refreshing, with new ways to experiment and play the "original classes".

Moreover, we get modes where your collection doesn't matter, WHICH IS NEAT, for a player like me, who when I was playing MTG I had to acquire the cards I wanted if I wanted to play something even for fun, even for once. There's the Arena, where if you are good at it, you can harvest huge amounts of money and save yourself some Gold and Dust until the next expansions. There are the BGs which do not require a collection at all. 
And finally, there are SOLO modes if you ever feel bored or the meta is stale. 

So, there's a lot of stuff going on and I believe that if you start feeling that you can't keep up with STANDARD, maybe before quitting the game, you should try all the different flavors it has to offer. Like I did. I was playing from BETA. I was a F2P, gathering gold, playing Arena in order to become good at it and then I was gathering even more Gold. I spent 3500 for Naxxramas (No Free Wings back then) and I hated it. I payed 25€ for BRM, 60€ for WotOG, 80€ for KoFT and 80€ for TBP, before I lost interest for Standard. I realised that I could not afford to play it. That I had to buy ALL of the expansions in order to get relevant. So, I was about to quit and uninstall the game, being absent for about 1 month, a friend showed me a Giants Quest Mage on Wild. It was pure cansur, but since I had the cards I gave it a try. It wasn't the deck I liked, but the feeling that I could play or being playing against ANY possible deck made me thrilled. I started browsing my collection, watching Wild decks on Youtube, Hearthpwn, everywhere. I loved it. Soon I was able to climb high up the ranks, because there was every possible card that I needed to counter any possible deck. Dirty Rats for combos, healbots and Renos for aggro, Fatigue mechanics for Control, EVERYTHING! You can play any possible deck type and adjust it to your liking. And trust me. It won't suck. 

But the thing that made me love Wild more than I ever enjoyed the best days of Standard was the fact that the ranked climb was not painful, especially on the new ranked system. Yes on Diamond you'll find Ress Priest and Secret Mage only, but up until then, oh my... a mayhem that made the game feel fresh to me. Unlike Standard, where I almost quit once playing the game, because from rank 15 to rank 5 8 to 10 games where Shaman vs Shaman (aggro or midrange to hell with it). That doesn't happen in Wild. That's why I always say, don't worry about Standard if you can't afford it, because there are many cool ways to play the game and not get bored.

TL;DR Standard is expensive and it should be. We live in a capitalistic society and Blizzard is not a charity. But that doesn't mean that you can't enjoy the other more affordable options the game has to offer, like Wild.

I've said this once and I'll say this a million times. If you don't feel like spending money on a product of the company just because it feels expensive (Standard), maybe you should consider another product of the same company which does not require you to spend yearly 200E (Wild). 

Another "the game is expensive post". You're playing a freemium game. 

I know that programming a game like Hearthstone isn't challenging (it basically follows a simple condition-line of set triggers, without having to extrapolate on values that are set through various diverse conditions, in a simple environment, where the "hardest" part is the RNG factors set-up.), BUT do you think that they'd do it for less, just because you invested in this game?

Do they owe you anything apart from their gratitude? No. 

I am a closed beta player. I've played ever since. The only money I paid in this game were specifically:

25€ for BRM, 60€ for WotOG, 80€ for KoFT, 80€ for TBP, 80€ for DoD. Every set I payed I played as much and loved it. But after TBP, I started to realize the same thing. Man, I couldn't just spend all this money there. I have the possibility to play for free so I'll do it. I went to Wild, where I played with all my all cards. I specifically play Reno decks and I love it. Won't come back to standard for legend grind ever again. At least 240€ per year is too much. 

Even though I agree with you on some terms, I disagree on whining about it. Get over it, seriously. You don't invest, you don't get to play 100%. I play Wild, with full cards and that's just 50% of the game, if not less. And I will continue to play Wild until they find a way to ectract money from Wild players in order to continue the game. Follow us. It's not dangerous man, I promise Wild is wild, but at least it's cheaper and definitely MORE AND MORE FUN.