Hearthpwn

I don't get the priest quest change but I appreciate the feedback

Ok bud

1) I HIGHLY doubt anyone would ever ignore a Defile that ALSO does face dmg.

2)that is not true...no one would play the SAME quest warlock that we have now but I believe you missed the "ALL dmg" part of the effect...take a second to think about the implications b4 you start dismissing it as "useless".

3)just so you know... "no" is NOT an argument, anyway...you can read my reply to the first guy that responded if you want a decent breakdown on why it wouldn't be either useless nor broken.

4)Well I DID say it was the one change I was iffy about...still...it's a 7 mana do nothing, if you don't want to meme and you just want to tryhard BUT if you (while tryharding with whatever megafast deck you want) let the opponent play it for free then...you kinda deserve to get memed on...bottom right is always there anyway.

Exept it's not even NEARLY as easy as you think, first of all you need to be confident you are able to kill your opponent in (max) 3 turns AFTER PLAYING A 5 MANA DO NOTHING (you can even up the cost if you really want to) or else you don't get it back in hand and bye bye timeloop, same goes if your opponent manages to stall for A SINGLE TURN more than you expect and then kill you...you got a second life but you aren't looping anyone.
So this is a strong asset as it kind of forces your opponent to defend himself for a few turns (if you decide to just point face...which you don't have to) or just delay his lethal (aka, if you are defending instead of pointing face...you have a higher chance to survive). You are HEAVILY overestimating the potential to "break" this card...the only real problem to consider would be DEEP fatigue but by that point the turn limit is  more or less already near AND it is still interactable by not attaking or even healing the opponent (and that's assuming the mage wasn't forced to play it earlier)
Sorry but no, I'd rather NOT keep the old "lol me powerdraw like idiot--> me play some stuff--->me win with the only counterplay is...being killed by the opponent before this step"

(please read here first)
DISCLAIMER(S)
This is:
1)My personal opinion, so I'd love to hear some feedback AND what other cards you'd change (with how and why if you can/want to).
2)COMPLETELY UNRELATED to how strong they are.
3)FAR from all the cards I'd change, I'm just listing the more interesting ideas.

So (finally) here goes.

As the title implies this post is a list of card changes aimed at making some cards a bit more interesting and fun for both players while keeping (or sometimes increasing) their power.

Ignite
THE CHANGE:
becomes a 2 (or 3, Idk) mana spell that says "Deal 1 damage to an enemy, if it dies recast dealing +1 damage" (yes, it CAN go face, dealing 8 dmg if you kill the entire board with it,potentially even more)
THE REASONING:
Not only does this change speak more to the flavour of "igniting something that escalates into a gingantic wildfire" but also stops it from going infinite and being a single minded "point face till it stops glowing" which I'd describe as a monumental improvement in terms of being fun for both players.

Open the Waygate
THE CHANGE:
the requirement can stay the same (it may need to be changed though since the reward will fit a different playstyle). The reward, however, becomes Time Warp: still a 5 mana spell, now says "the next time you lose the game, turn back time instead". With "turn back time" meaning you discover the option to go back 1/2/3 (or more) turns. (turn counter still keeps going to avoid softlocks...yes, it does mean that if you die the turn after playing it you get it back in hand)
THE REASONING:
The idea was to make it an actually cool and unique card instead of a boring "you have 20/30 mana and minions you play with the first 10/20 have charge" OTK machine...while also keeping the time manipulation flavour.

The Demon Seed
THE CHANGE:
everything can stay the same (it may need to be easier/harder to complete) but the reward becomes "ALL damage you take is ALSO dealt to the opponent"
THE REASONING:
Even without the "fk fatigue" part of this card (which is its only real glaring design flaw, the rest is a powerlevel issue) the card has shown its incredible power and uninteractiveness, this change would keep the flavour and remove some of the stupidly insane offensive power for some defence as well, it would also make it more interactive as BOTH players have ways to react and play around this effect (though you are obviously at a quite monstrous advantage)

Archbishop Benedictus
THE CHANGE:
battlecry "each player shuffles a copy of their opponent's deck into their own"
THE REASONING:
With this change it would go from a near useless (exept vs REAL grindy control decks, where it's an autowin) fatigue delay bomb into absolute fking chaos that DOES have some use (namely pollutes the draw of faster decks), YES it would make games way longer so I'm slightly more "iffy" about this one.

(As a final note I REALLY wanted to say something about Seek Guidance but I couldn't find ANY way to make it actually interesting as opposed to a stupidly cheap "win the game")

easiest question ever:

ALL dmg you take is ALSO dealt to the opponent 

Questlock is the definition of "ignore fatigue", if possible in an even more toxic way than the other cards I mentioned as it instasbeats anything that focuses on fatigue as a wincon (ik that's not its main problem in terms of balance as of right now, still that's  its problem in terms of design)

I've seen numerous takes in this thread, but 1 time of argument that I couldn't stand is using early RoS meta as "proof" that fatigue games are frustrating so I'm simply here to remind people: THAT WAS AN EXEPTION DUE TO THE FACT THAT Archivist Elysiana (one of the biggest desing mistakes of this game, together with any card that allows to increase deck size by more than 4/5 cards) WAS THE ONLY REASON THE META WAS BAD AS THAT CARD ALLOWED GAMES TO IGNORE FATIGUE FORCING THE INFAMOUS 40 MINUTES SHITFESTS.

As for an actual answer to the OP...
I enjoy exactly the type of decks the OP described as "pure control", exausting my opponent of all of his resources is HANDS DOWN my favourite playstyle and (despite what some people here said) HS is basically the only game that allows such a playstyle to exist as:
1)card design has (more or less, the current situation was the last straw for this) allowed such a thing to exist, unlike e.g. LoR where ALL lategame wincons are unreactable (to those that know what I'm talking about..you can't deny that Aurelion/Lissandra/Maokai/(sometimes)Nautilus's LvL up effects may as well be "the opponent surrenders"...and I could go on...similar concepts stand for MtG)
2)fatigue is a unique mechanic...the only one that allows TRUE reactive decks to exist.

In conclusion I feel that ignoring such an advantage is 1 of the biggest mistakes this game can make.

(as a sidenote/conclusion...to whoever wrote "Learn to spell the word "philosophy" correctly and your argument will have more merit."...fk off, form is beyond meaningless and the only truly important part of a discussion is getting your arguments across in a clear and non offensive way)

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If you enjoy control decks you can give wild format a try, there are always plenty of options there and value oriented decks to experiment with

 this. i really dont get why people stick to std. wild is so much more fun, lot of different decks, yeah ofc lot of aggro but with right deck it wont be big problem.

renolock is still very strong deck and every expansion it gets more tools. different wincons (tick, big demons, nzoth(s), jaraxxus, now fatigue with quest. 

reno/control mage is another good and fun deck, odd warrior also. 

This is wrong on SO many LvLs it's absurd:

First of all, while I only play wild and like the "idea" more than standard (I always found standard a lazy way to refuse to balance properly) and overall I have more fun playing wild, the notion that you have ANY way to play value decks in that sea of aggro/OTK/mill/infinite decks countering you is simply nonsensical

Even I admit that there are a lot of problems and std. is likely in a healthier spot but I'll leave it at that to avoid derailing.

Renolock gets further and further from being a control deck with every expantion since

1)the [REDACTEDTUS] version is a mill deck, not a control deck, stop comparing it to actual decks that have to actually play the game in order to win

 2)the new quest can be considered a fusion of "almost an OTK" and "virtually infinite" due to its nature of being "unfatigueable" and the fact that it singlemindedly powerdraws to get its inevitabile wincon

3)even the big demons/N'zoth versions are WAY more akin to (super) heavy midrange (like cubelock) since it only aims to survive its first few turns and then the absurd manacheating both defends you AND pressures the opponent (also jaraxxus can fit here too)

The 1 right part of both these posts is odd Warrior and reno mage being control decks (though reno is often built as an OTK because fk fun)

DISCLAIMER: despite the hatred thrown in this post this card is very likely too slow to be realistically included in the refined versions of most decks (talking about the wild shitshow here, where OTKs and similar are almost as fast as aggro decks, standard MAY have a place for it but Idk enough about it anymore to make that call)

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And here I thought that Far Watch Post being printed meant that they had realized just how unfun,unearned,uninteresting and overall shitty it feels to both play AND play against discard style disruption. Honestly that card's effect (opponent's cards cost X more, up to 10) was the best attempt at non-toxic disruption I've seen from this game so far.

But alas, here we go again with the good ol' cointoss where heads means:

"gj you sniped the opponent's key combo piece or N'Zoth, the Corruptor like card so...gj you won (or basically won, to a point where it's up to YOU not to mess up regardeless of how the opponent plays)"

and Tails means:

"sucks to suck, you randomly hit a useless card, prepare to get OuTpLaYeD by whatever stupid unstoppable BS your opponent is playing because this card was your only hope for counterplay"

That is SO much fun to have happen to you...just ask anyone that got his key cards randomly dirty ratted, I'm sure he'll agree.

Anyways, it's not ALL horrendously awful I guess...technically this IS an odd costed disruption card, meaning that odd warrior FINALLY has SOME degree of counterplay vs any BS unreactable deck. just ignore the fact that said "counterplay" is just as horrendously toxic to the game as the things it is countering and everything will look fine.

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So if I cast this beforeFrost Lich Jaina, would the buff still apply if she was cast afterwards? 

 it should...it did...now (since last patch) it's fking bugged

Edit:

Today I randomly found out that it's not a bug, it's 100% intended,the same goes for the (faulty) interaction between Daring Fire-Eater and Reckless Apprentice where the Hero Power should deal the +2 DMG from the Fire Eater to all the targets of Reckless Apprentice but instead it's only on the first one (even though there is NO true "First" seeing as deathrattles and stuff don't trigger inbetween the animations).

I was initially disappointed but then I realized: this is completely in line with the direction they want the game to go, a.k.a. filling the game with "fk you, I win" cards with NO way to play reactive.  This deck likely seemed slightly too decent for a reactive deck so they gutted it (and honestly, it also had some half-decent offence so it wasn't even a completely reactive deck, making this decision even "stupider" ) 

One day they will realize the glaring flaw of this logic, i.e. if everything is unreactable the game becomes "whoever draws his BS first is clearly the better player so he wins" ... which is expecially true when applied to HS since player influence during the opponent's turn is kept to a minimum.

I hope such a day happens b4 the end times of this game so they have time to fix it because I really do love playing HS...and THAT'S the problem... I love PLAYING the game (which implies I also want the opponent to play since it's a 2 player game) while all the new cards head more and more towards  pseudo-exodia solitaries and well...if I wanted to play one I'd download Spider

I always found it... let's just say... uninspired that you never got to choose the totem, MAYBE the full "Baku effect" where you summon copies may be too much for totem synergy decks but I don't fully buy it.

There COULD be 1 or 2 instances THROUGH THE GAME'S ENTIRE HISTORY where it could have been too strong, namely with the "if you have spell power" weapon and MAYBE in classic it COULD have been annoying but nothing that couldn't be solved with just the slightest bit of caution when designing/printing (legit 3) cards.

Now what about justicar/Baku? Well it's actually simple and (imo) more fun and creative, they would let you summon upgraded totems, my ideas being:

Taunt---> divine shield+taunt

Healing---->heals 2 and/or also your face

Spell power--->either+2 or some durabilty buff

Trash...I mean 1/1---> 2/2 ?

Now these, as they are, may range from useless to OP but they are just "unpolished" ideas meant to express a possible and easy fix for the worst HP in the game that doesn't involve the shi...strength totem

I think the time I enjoyed the meta the most has got to be some chunks of year of the raven (when I was still playing standard):

During Witchwood I really enjoyed facing cubelock (expecially post nerf, b4 that it was quite OP, but still ok....most of the time) and hadronox druid (unless they highrolled) , yes the Shudderwock infinite combo was horrible to fight but, without going infinite, the card itself was REALLY fun to play/buildaround, even though I never had much success with it in standard, I did enjoy myself. (yes Ik quest rogue has been a thing for some time but I was low rank enough that it wasn't THAT big of a problem)

In Boomsday many toxic bs cards like Mecha'thun or enablers for said degenerate cards/decks were added and druid had 37 different horrifingly toxic decks that's true but they also added stuff like the "control warrior package" with Supercollider, Omega Assembly and Dr. Boom, Mad Genius to make up for it, also that's the timeframe when deathrattle/DKRexxar hunter (my personal favourite deck to play against) actually took off.

Rashtakan is probably the time I enjoyed most of all out of these: they nerfed a lot of the bs decks AND they added a little bit of support for some more fun decks, I could play elemental shaman/mage as great value decks, quest priest and a "slower" version of quest warrior were my favourite "exaust the opponent" kind of decks. Also did I mentioned that I enjoyed facing DKRexxar? I can't quite remember if I ever expressed that feeling on this site.

I don't think you quite got what I was saying there:
Y'Shaarj, the Defiler has a N'Zoth like effect where it "resummons" things you played during the game mening it requires buildup during the game to be a strong 1 TIME effect relatively far into the lategame that builds a board, maybe deals some damage/clears and other things, very much akin to things like N'Zoth, the Corruptor.
Libram of Wisdom is slightly different because it can be played again and again AND it has insane synergy with Pen Flinger. As a wild player I can't say much about gala/alex as they (galakrond expecially) are rarely seen.
Regardeless though: [REDACTEDTUS] is the problematic one here as it's a polarizing design mistake that serves no purpose exept autowin vs a single archetype while being a liability vs anything else. On the other hand as I discussed Y'Shaarj, the Defiler is a 1 time lategame swing turn like many, MANY others in HS's history that have spawned the best/most fun decks in the game, it's FAR from a problem, a card like that only becomes a problem if it defines an oppressive tier 0 deck.

I don't think Tickatus alone is the Problem. But when you start copying him with Y'Shaarj, the Defiler and you play him again the same turn for 0 Mana YES that's a Problem. 

I remember a time when people were crying about Gala Rogue and the 0 Mana card draw .. What happened now no one complains about 0 mana cards after  Y'Shaarj, the Defiler is played? Like Strongman , Cascading Disaster and Carnival Clown  or even Dunk Tank and Circus Medic

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no, no,no and also (in case you missed it) no:

This is the same (wrong) argument people bring to say Shudderwock was a mistake when it actually is one of the most fun and interesting buildaround cards in this game (without the infinite BS that came from COMPLETELY UNRELATED AND OTHERWISE NEAR USELESS CARDS).

Buildaround cards that,after some buildup, have a strong effect late into the game (without autowinning said game) are the healthiest, best designed, most fun cards in the game (N'Zoth, the Corruptor says hi...or do you maybe want to argue that he was a problem because Oh No, YoU gEt So mAnY dEaThRaTtLeS fOr 0 MaNa sooooo BROKEN,BAD DESIGN). These kinds of cards only become effective so late into the game that the "faster" decks have either already won or lost and the more "slow gameplan" decks have likely "ammassed" the tools (clears/heals and armor/board presence) to deal with such huge boardswings/value.

[REDACTEDTUS] on the other hand is a design mistake no matter how you look at it,NOT ONLY does it require virtually NO buildup to to its job BUT ALSO it only exsits to utterly annihalate an archetype while being legit a liability vs anything else...that's called a polarizing and unfun design mistake that only kills diversity in the game making it less fun.

It's not even overpowered, actually it may even be quite bad/weak since it is useless vs aggressive decks (aka the most powerful and prevalent playstyle in the game) so it's unlikely to get nerfed MAKING THE SITUATION EVEN WORSE.

well....noyes:

Discard style disruption (rat falls into this too) is horrifingly awful to play against, wether it's random or not it doesn't change this, there are shitty cons on both parts. In HS expecially this is even MORE toxic as there are no ways to interact with it just like there are no ways (other than toxic disruption) to interact with OTKs and stuff...Kind of a vitious circle right? How do we get out of this?

Well MY solution would be to remove both disruption and mill/OTK/infinite as concepts altogether so you wouldn't need to fight a toxic bitchmade mechanic with another BUT if this were to be too extreme I present to you Far Watch Post like effects: "opponent's stuff permanently costs X more (up to 10)" , print it as battlecry, as end of turn, as deathrattle, frenzy, OVERKILL....it doesn't matter...THIS is how you make disruption effective but still not toxic: you mess with OTKs and other stuff BUT you don't remove anything, counterplay is still in the game (thaurissan and others), you don't randomly win mirrors because you ratted your opponent's N'Zoth, the Corruptor or something BUT this way OTKs or just strong synergies become more awkward to pull off. Now it IS worth noting that this would need to be printed as high cost or VERY low tempo minions (or spells...you do you) otherwise aggro decks will just lock you out of all answers, (therefore eliminating counterplay) but it's not that hard to figure out.