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Quote from FortyDust >>

How are you keeping track of the packs you open?

Is there really no possibility of human error in your record-keeping?

 Funny thing is he claims to save screenshots for every single pack. Who in their right mind would do that ?

Sounds fishy to me

His best win rate is actually in highlander decks ? Who would have thought.

And did you ever consider the fact that Zephrys is often played in murloc paladin even if he doesn't activate ?

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Quote from Hooghout >>

So in this little thread the fanboy-pundits and the ordinary ones bind together once again as Hearthstone Mandarins. Doing the bidding of their intellectual masters riding the bandwagon as fellow travellers defending skill-contemptious card design.

Let me look over the weeds.

Did angry kids just found a new Barnes to blame?

Typical comment of an fanboy-commoner. No arguments, not even bad ones. These are the Blizzards foot soldiers. Cannon feed. Not much respect.

That is exactly what I say about the card that I recently lost to.

Same as the above. The stupidity flows like a festering wound.

If you outplayed your opponent for several turns, there is no single one card that will just hand them the win. If a single Classic/Basic Set card is enough to fully turn the game you say you were outplaying your opponent in, then you overestimated your position

Ah yes, here we have true HS-pundit comment. Always getting the likes he's looking for. Outplaying your opponent for several turns? There's hardly such thing as outplaying your opponent in HS. For that the game is too aggressive, the skill floor too low. Not to speak of to steep a RPS, combined withan abundance of randomness. But he good try. You got your like!

It doesn't undermine anything. It simply adds a very annoying aspect to the game. It forces the player to contemplate at all times, if the opponent plays the card, what is the way in which it will fuck you up the hardest, out of every card in the Classic and Basic Sets.

Same speaker. Same pundit. A joy to read bandwagon commentators. Zephrys doesn't force anything. It is designed as a extremely political card that benefits aggressive decks more than the more thoughtful, slower gameplay. It is designed to attract players looking for fast and easy winfix strategy. In danger of losing the board? Play Zeph. wisely for the right tempo swing.

Losing to this card is like losing against junior, while you are the more experienced senior. One time, no problem, but as a systemic disease it's target audience oriented. It is there to curb winning based on skill.

 

 1). Your condescending tone is disgusting.  GTFO with that.

2). Zephrys is for aggro decks?  REALLY?  That's just plain WRONG.  What successful aggro highlander deck has there ever been??  None.  And seeing why is SO easy.  Aggro decks rely on the consistency of getting on the board early and maintaining control of the board.  Highlander decks are the OPPOSITE of consistent.  Apart from that, there are never 30 aggro viable cards available to a class at any one time.  The notion that Zephrys is meant for aggro is LAUGHABLE.

3).  Zephrys does what?  It REACTS to the current board state.  By definition, it is a REACTIVE card and, as such, is best suited to a deck that has that play style...aka control (and some midrange) decks, primarily. 

 Highlander aggro decks in wild are perfectly viable. He's even used in non-highlander aggro decks in standard, that's just how good he is.

''Aggro decks rely on the consistency of getting on the board early and maintaining control of the board''

That's exactly why Zephrys is just as good in aggro decks. Allowing you to polymorph a huge taunt, aoe in aggro mirrors or pulling off bloodlust.

He's even good in combo decks filled with duplicates who want to draw their entire deck with auctioneer, Nomi priest and Hakkar druid in wild for example.

My point is; I don't think it's fair to say he's better in control decks because he really isn't. He's more commonly used in control decks because it's much more easier to make a good control highlander deck than aggro. If they removed his restriction, you can mark my word every single aggro deck would run him until HS gets discontinued.

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Quote from Hooghout >>

So in this little thread the fanboy-pundits and the ordinary ones bind together once again as Hearthstone Mandarins. Doing the bidding of their intellectual masters riding the bandwagon as fellow travellers defending skill-contemptious card design.

Let me look over the weeds.

Did angry kids just found a new Barnes to blame?

Typical comment of an fanboy-commoner. No arguments, not even bad ones. These are the Blizzards foot soldiers. Cannon feed. Not much respect.

That is exactly what I say about the card that I recently lost to.

Same as the above. The stupidity flows like a festering wound.

If you outplayed your opponent for several turns, there is no single one card that will just hand them the win. If a single Classic/Basic Set card is enough to fully turn the game you say you were outplaying your opponent in, then you overestimated your position

Ah yes, here we have true HS-pundit comment. Always getting the likes he's looking for. Outplaying your opponent for several turns? There's hardly such thing as outplaying your opponent in HS. For that the game is too aggressive, the skill floor too low. Not to speak of to steep a RPS, combined withan abundance of randomness. But he good try. You got your like!

It doesn't undermine anything. It simply adds a very annoying aspect to the game. It forces the player to contemplate at all times, if the opponent plays the card, what is the way in which it will fuck you up the hardest, out of every card in the Classic and Basic Sets.

Same speaker. Same pundit. A joy to read bandwagon commentators. Zephrys doesn't force anything. It is designed as a extremely political card that benefits aggressive decks more than the more thoughtful, slower gameplay. It is designed to attract players looking for fast and easy winfix strategy. In danger of losing the board? Play Zeph. wisely for the right tempo swing.

Losing to this card is like losing against junior, while you are the more experienced senior. One time, no problem, but as a systemic disease it's target audience oriented. It is there to curb winning based on skill.

 

 You've got it all pretty wrong, but I guess the frustration of losing to opponents who play Zephrys has gotten to you. High-variance RNG effects are what removes the skill aspect of the game (Exhibit A: Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron). Zephrys has no RNG aspects, his value depends entirely on the players ability to figure out how to get the best result form playing him.

 And you think it’s hard to figure out that he’ll give you a nether at 10 mana or flamestrike at 9. Anyone who's been playing a little should know the choices he’ll offer depending on the situations.

Even if you’re clueless about the game he’ll still offer you the best choices in your situation, he’s probably the most broken card ever printed.

Quote from badhank14 >>

I know many are happy about the Discover changes, but I think it's a huge mistake.  The whole point of Discover cards was to get something in your class more often than not.  It wasn't always a sure thing, but playing the card meant you weren't getting complete random garbage from Discover cards.

Why are people happy about this?  This turns Discover cards into RNG factories and the whole point of Discover was to eliminate the purely random stuff that can win or lose you games because you 'got lucky' or 'unlucky'.

More randomness is NOT needed in Hearthstone.  This really takes the skill testing and playing around 'known' cards that the Discover cards could fetch for you.  Now you can' t play around anything.

And before anyone makes a comment regarding me playing Control Warrior...I do.  But I also play ALL of the classes fairly evenly.  I jump around based on my mood.  I have over 500 wins with all the classes, so before those comments flare up, just wanted to negate that.

Do you want your Hearthstone game to be more RNG and less thinking or playing around known cards?  There are so many ways to play around what Control Warrior does.  Sure, they can get 10 Omega Devastator's in the game.  I can still beat them with other decks.

This is exactly like the nerf to Tess.  They specifically stated that Tess would work like the pre-nerf Yogg.  They boasted this fact and showed it on stream.  Then they nerfed Tess to be exactly like post-nerf Yogg completely killing the power level of the card.  They had to revert back to the pre-nerf Tess because not only did people complain (rightly so), they said it was going to work a specific way because they designed it that way.  To go back on that is terrible.

Discover cards were and are specifically designed FROM THE BEGINNING to get you class cards more often.  It's why you play them.  Getting complete random crap drastically weakens the card.  Weakens the skill testing of your opponent and weakens the game of Hearthstone overall.

People who are happy with this change do not realize this has lasting impacts far beyond nerfing Control Warrior.  This is terrible for the game and goes completely against what Discover was supposed to represent.

If these numbers are correct....

According to Old Guardian it went from 16.29% to 4.26% for discovery drone to get a specific Omega Devastator, etc.
Flunky went from 53.72% to get a warrior taunt (Flunky/Armegadillo) to 19.10%.

Then this is not a simple tweak to power levels of cards.  This is a huge nerf that they tried to sneak into the patch without drawing attention to it.  This is disingenuous and there are so many ways to 'fix' the cards people are unhappy with, but instead, they nerfed all of the Discover cards (that used to pull from class cards).

How can anyone look at the numbers above and think....'That's fine.  Nothing to see here.  At least Warrior gets hosed.'

Can someone explain to me how they think more RNG is good for Hearthstone?

 You’re missing the entire point of this change.

You’re the one who doesn’t know how zephrys works OP.

Quote from Morthasa >>

A Zephrys the Great brawl would be interesting, but I'm guessing the games wil go llllllooooong

 Except that they won’t activate since your deck will be filled with dups

We are keeping an eye on Barnes. Like you’ve been doing for years

You’re really bad at balancing cards op. By bad i mean trash, you’re just trying to completely obliterate warrior

Quote from Chewy2231025 >>

Him quitting HS doesn't really give him any right to piss off an entire community. He should of simply posted the card on twitter and be done with it. What he has done will garner him a lot of hate that could've been EASILY avoided.

 You’re a moron he told blizz he wouldn’t reveal it a week ago he is not to blame.

now go back to bed child it’s getting late

Is your wallet tho?

I love arena for what it is - make the best with what you get. And every time it's different (to some extent).

It is a game mode, where you can leverage your skill in all aspects of the game. Drafting, mulligan, playing even bluffing your opponent. Sure, there is a big luck element in it as in any other HS game mode, but you dont have established decks where you can rely on synergies to carry you or where you can consistently draw into your win conditions. You have to play with what you currently have and adapt. You have to know when to take a risk to play to win and not just to survive. You have to know when to trade and when to go face. Many small decisions can accumulate to great advantages, or disadvantages.

Ofc we arena players like to pat ourselves on the back thinking how well we can play the game and how skillful we are, which is true to some extent, but you can enjoy the format even if you are a casual player. You just need to think before you act and you need to realize what kind of game are you playing. The extra stuff will come with time and practice. That is the hard truth with arena, if you want to do really well, you need to put in the time, no one is gonna do that for you.

Two slots per class is extremally few, especially for those who like to experimenting with fun decks. It would be wonderful to have some more space.

Quote from Mdeasel >>

I just play it for quests and then do arena while I watch youtube or netflix. But once I am done with the arena or quests I just close. but have stopped spending any money on the game. 2 years of jade druid ruined it for me, to the point where I have disenchanted all my druid cards.

 This guy right here got to be dumbest person on the planet.

Yeah, they don’t, yet they still have a few times.  Let’s get back to the point, please.

Is this guy a troll?

Not really though. 

Quote from Andruha >>

if I have Crystalsmith Kangor. to start with... I don't want to craft him just to finish one puzzle lol. But thanks for your suggestion.

 no wonder admins are creating another website... the level of stupidity in this forum has reached amazing limits

This makes me think you haven't played it at all...

Listening Kripp talking on everything besides Arena LUL