Hearthpwn

Haven't touched HS since and will never again unless HS changes its price tag. Both as F2P or paying player, in LoR you get sooooo much more for your time/money. And the meta is still really diverse. There are like 5-6 deck archetypes that I can think of from the top of my head that are T1 and there isn't one that clearly dominates all the others (Draven/Jinx aggro, Spider aggro, Wraiths/Hecarim midrange, Frost midrange, Elusive cheese, Ezreal Control/OTK) and I think with Riots announced monthly micro-balancing, it will remain that way.

Riot has also announced that they will continue to balance stuff to keep every champion is present in at least one competitive deck archetype and every region part of at least one T1 deck.

I actually like a very narrow environment of decks. It allows one to build specialised decks to counter those. Also it increases the skill ceiling because you know what to expect from the enemy deck and can play around it. Both is not possible in a wide and random arrangement of decks.

Also I hate the beginning of a new meta when top decks have not settled yet, when everybody and their grandma builds the greediest decks ever with soooo much lategame value that playing any kind of balanced slow deck becomes impossible. This is usually the only time I switch to face aggro decks until the lategame greed subsides.

"Summon three overstatted minions with no immediate board impact" the fact that this is a 10 mana card makes it almost unplayable. Also you can't chain it with itself which makes it even worse.

Not even a tier 1 deck anymore. But that would have happened without the nerfs as well since the meta was already shifting before the nerfs hit. Now we got the rock-paper-scissors of smorc decks, deathrattle rouges and anti-smorc heal decks.

Hm. Kinda sad. They didn't nerf the insane turn 7-9 4x 8/8 rush and 2x 5/2 weapon. So slow midrange and control decks will never be viable in this meta because of this.

But! These changes make aggro decks more viable against gala shaman. weaker sludge slurper and mogu way harder to bring out. I actually think shaman players will rotate the mogu mutate combo out now.

So I think the meta will definetely shift to more aggro stuff, because that seems to be a good answer against the new cancer highroll rouge as well.

My2cents on the problem:

1. Shaman has extremely strong invoke cards compared to the other classes. Either nerf those a little bit or buff others.

2. Shudderwock fits the shaman theme. A lot of small battlecries over the course of the game, reapply them all in the end for nice refill or finisher. Shudderwock itself is fine. Galakrond provides shamanan with a huge game turning battlcry. Gain 5 health, gain 5/2 weapon, summon 2 8/8 rush. Really good, but not yet game-winning by itself. Combine those two however and you have the disaster we have now. Solution (imo): Make hero cards not have battlecry. They are not minions (except Jaraxxus), so I don't see why they would need a minion-type effect anyway.

"You people are idiots wishing for shaman nerfs! Shamans were the only thing holding rogues and pirate warriors and who knows what other horrors at bay! now you will wish shaman were back"

No, because now I can build a control deck to specifically counter those and don't have to worry about needing 2 full boardclears and sustain 20 dmg to the face rounds 7-9

same here. currently trying to reinstall everything. stuck in bnet installation...

And I agree. Sooo boring to play against control warrior because of infinite removal. Omega Devastator is really overkill. Also, it is impossible right now to build a deck that doesn't try to win before turn 10, because every deck that goes for lategame will 100% be outvalued by Dr. Boom.

Nice curving if aggro shaman will be any good. Spends mana perfectly on turn1+2 or both turn2.

(Before I start, I refer to 'scrubs' a couple times in the below - for definition and explanation, see http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub - it's something I found probably close to 2 decades ago now, and is as valid today as it was back then)

In a recent thread a lot of posters were complaining about players, presumably in ranked, netdecking. Things like "I only rope if my opponent is playing a netdeck; in that case they deserve it" or "netdeckers deserve every bit of BM that comes their way".

Now, there are times when this might be an appropriate call to make. Mainly, if the environment you're playing in isn't competitive - which will generally be something like a match with someone on your friends list. This isn't the case for ranked, which is a competitive mode.

When it comes to playing a game competitively - Hearthstone in this case, but it applies to most competitive games - using every legal (game rules and otherwise) tool at your disposal is what the best players will do. Creating arbitrary rules to challenge yourself like "use only homebrew decks" or "win without epic of legendary cards" is fine, but you enter scrub-territory when you try to impose those rules on other competitive players. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using the research of players that came before you in order to gain as much advantage as possible against the competition. Doing so means you're making effective use of the tools available.

Sure, you may feel annoyed if you lose to someone that's using the flavour of the month netdeck and made some pretty obvious misplays, and you may feel like the deck carried them. Maybe it did - but so what? It was a legitimate win. Whether it was the matchup, the draws, the plays or whatnot, the stars aligned in such a way that they won - and that's fine. Using a netdeck is not some secret advantage that player alone has - if you don't want to use one that's totally fine too, but it's bad form (and again, symptomatic of a scrub mentality) if you decry their victory just because they chose to use a deck that, in all likelihood, has proven to be strong in the metagame.

If the issue is because you don't actually want to play in a competitive environment, and would rather play in a more relaxed environment with more casual archetypes (and believe me, I know - kitchen table Magic is far more preferable to me than competitive events), then that's not an issue with people netdecking - that's an issue with Blizzard not offering such an environment (casual would be more accurately titled 'unranked', and while you can find friends online that will play casual decks with you, it's a bit like Destiny in that they make you do the legwork for multiplayer fun).

As another example, the first RTS I wanted to actually get good at (as opposed to just playing against the AI and taking advantage of their issues) was Starcraft 2. And when I first started out - hell, pretty much the whole time I played - I took advantage of build orders that others had submitted online. That's effectively the Starcraft/RTS version of netdecking (a build order basically defines what you build in the early game, where the decision tree is generally so narrow that you can refine a reliable opening to springboard into later stages of the game). As a new player, was I just supposed to head into games and flail about, hoping for the best? I would have stayed in bronze for much longer if I had taken that approach!

To sum up - there's nothing wrong with a player wanting to use every legal tool at their disposal, and taking inspiration (either partial or entire deck-wise) from players that came before them. Not only is it fair game, but if they're trying to be as competitive as possible it makes sense to identify and use the best deck for the current metagame. If you don't want to netdeck and want to impose the challenge on yourself to use only homebrews, that's totally fine and good luck with it! But to try and impose that rule on others when it isn't actually a rule within the game is a scrub-like mindset.

Shaman is not bad, the problem is the popularity of your counter, the hunter.

Soon the overpresence of hunter bring back control warrior and priest then shaman will be great again.

That said, this maybe the more balanced meta ever, no class are beyond 60% winrate or below 40% winrate, can't ask more than that.

Think this is better served in the salt threat than being worthy of its own thread to be honest.... If you genuinely feel that priest can't be beaten then I don't know what to say, you're clearly terrible at the game and there's little to no value in entering into a discussion with you. 

Blizzard printed a bunch of crazy cards and no control tools. We're still expected to work old school spells, which when compared with hte stats on the new mininos, are waaaay overcosted - you have to highroll flamestrike from new malygos to get a 8dmg version of the spell that is actually playable...and even then, at 7 mana, you are thinking...if i clear here for 7 mana/8dmg and play virtually nothing, and this guy refloods the board, then what? Fucked aren't I?

They are now printing neutal 2/2s for 1 mana, yet we still have 30hp, still the same old systems and board management tools. You should require no further evidence than the revival of face hunter, and also pirate warrior. If face hunter is back on the menu, then you know that cheap powerful overly aggressive shit is out of hand in this game once again.

Greedy shit that gets hyped in pre-release almost always dies to aggro when the expansion releases. Nothing new happened.

Seems Zephrys doesn't know about deathrattles that are not on the card text. Necrium apothecary doesnt even have a deathrattle if it draws nothing. Sounds like he's due for a hotfix 

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it wont be a "hearthstone killer" couse hearthstone is already dead. im expecting it to be alot more

Of course, because HS has been "dead" for years.  HAHAHAHA!

 

averaging 10k on twitch. few years ago, while i was playing it was 100k

not to mention killing every fun/high skill cap mechanic (patron,  freeze mage,  handlock with molten giants, miracle, combo druid) , adding more rng, catering game to kids and casuals while becoming pay to be competitive(before karazhan exp i didnt spend cent on hs)

definitly going up same as other blizzard games

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Hi, so i haven't seen any thread here about latest problem with Hearthstone lunch and that Bnet client pretend like HS is not on your PC so instead PLAY button there is INSTALL. Anyone know whats going on? Cant find any information on forums or twitter but I know that I am not the only one.

Yeah I know what you gonna say "Quit if you hate the game". Just let me say some words about it please, as a 4-year player.

This game is gone way too far from a skilled card game. The only thing left is "card", you don't need brain or skill to play now. Expansion came out few weeks now, let's have a look of the top tier decks: Trent Druid, Control/Bomb Warrior, Discover Mage, BrokeBack Rouge (I mean Lackey), Big Priest. All these decks have some similarity: you have no way to interact with them. They just play their cards, you either clear it or you dead. Okay you clear it, and then he play another ONE card that put multiple threads on board at the same time.
Here's some examples:
Priest Mass Resurrection with Catrina Murete,
Druid Forest's Aid, Crystalsong Portal
Warrior Two Doctor sevens
Mage Khadgar Power of Creation/ Khadgar-Giant-Calling
Rouge infinite Lackeyssssss

I have a solution of all these: play aggro, hit their face hard to zero before turn 6. But what if I don't like aggro decks?

Maybe it's the life of a game, 5 years is too much for a card game? 

Last word, "Discover" actually kills HearthStone. I wish Discover was never been released, maybe HS will still be a good card game.