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If you're playing legend rank players then it will be gutter rank, who also have a lower MMR. If you're playing a ranked mode of any game with an ineffective method, deck, team, build, whatever it is, then you're going to have problems. This is not unique to Hearthstone.
You either prioritise climbing and so use one of the decks suitable for that. There are actually quite a lot of different decks that will be effective, it isn't like it's pretty much one or two decks as the only viable options. Or you prioritise what you see as fun, which is making less effective decks but decks that you find more fun to use.
This month I've pretty much exclusively used a mage deck that I love. The win rate with this deck is fairly bad, about 42%, but it's super fun and most games feel very different because it relies on discover, the quest and randomly generated cards from things like mana cyclone. While it's really fun, I know that it gets absolutely crushed by any form of aggression. I have something like a 20% win rate against face Hunter and demon hunter.
I can't get past diamond 3 with it because it's just too inconsistent but I don't bitch about it, I know what I've signed up for. I could switch to highlander hunter and go to legend but I'm not bothered, I actually quite like playing a deck like this because I get a lot less frustrated about losing, I know it isn't an optimal deck. I'm playing it because I enjoy the way it plays.
When I was in legend last month I switched to this sake deck and it was absolutely awful, an even lower win % and it totally tanked my rank. I really didn't care though and I could see I was getting matched with diamond and platinum players because my win rate was so bad but that's exactly what the system is designed to do. I ended up winning more games as a result because I was playing worse players using worse decks but my win rate was probably that of a platinum player at the point, so the system was pretty effective.
How do you know you're constantly paired with legend players anyway? You can't see their rank and even if you friend a few people and can see they are at really low legend ranks, this will surely still be a lot less common than playing people at platinum or diamond?
You're going to be matched against poor players and/or decks at legend rather than good players with good decks at say, platinum 5. That's still probably better for you, surely?
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How much do you pay for using it and it's maintenance/upkeep?
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This would just create a new net deck list though, I don't get how people don't see this.
People would simply cut and paste whatever decks had the highest value for a win and best win rate. That deck would then decline in value and would get dropped for the next at the top of the list. As a species we create a hierarchy in almost evurging we do and this game is no difference. There is a hierarchy of decks and those at the top are the most desirable because they are the most effective. This wouldn't change.
What people mean by 'creativity' is wanting to have the ability to play bad decks and not be penalised by better refined, stronger decks.
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What do you mean the MMR system will "lock you out"? What would you be locked out of? Or are you one of the people who have completely misunderstood MMR and think it means they choose what class you go against?
The META does not change as frequently as you suggest, not at all. Of it were week to week then sure, but it isn't.
The simple fact that you seek to genuinely think you need to spend £300 to hit legend suggests you're deliberately exaggerating, lying or that you actually think it does, which would make me assume that you aren't a particularly good player. I have no idea what skill level you are at, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you're being disingenuous to further your point. Which, by the way, is a really poor way to bring other people round to your way of thinking.
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Have you qualified for the free deck? If not and if you haven't poured money in already, maybe make an account on a different server and get a free deck like HL mage or the rogue gala deck? You can even dust the cards if you don't want to use any of the decks at all and get a decent boost in dust. Though some of the decks give some really good neutral tools that can go into other decks, like Kronx, or Zephrys.
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Right, so Blizzard has managed to hoodwinked pretty much all of the journalist and private population etc, managing to keep almost everyone in the dark, to the point that this has not be proven. Yet its Mansfield92 on Hearthpwn that knows how it all goes down? Why don't you go our there, prove it and bring them down? Why are you on a lickle forum with what you know?
It's like all these people that say they can prove a god exists but instead of actually proving it and collecting their Nobel prize, they sit on reddit or internet forums and beat their chest.
And why on earth are still playing if you're so sure its rigged in this way? What is it with you people?? If I actually thought this was the case not just with a game but anything in life, I wouldn't take part. It's like insisting a fairground game is rigged so you never win but you keep paying to play anyway. Why?!?!
Hmmm......
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Idiotic response, you've clearly nothing to say or add that actually means anything so you try and shut the entire conversation down by branding someone a fan boy. Quick way to tell that someone can't actually articulate or evidence their point. You're such a cliche and you can be seen on pretty much any forum where people run out of things to say.
It's how children handle difficult conversations. Maybe it would be easier for you if the writing was in really large font with few words and big, colourful pictures?
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Clearly a somewhat tongue in cheek analogy but the point still stands. You clearly cant process words and information and differentiate between different things.
If you think a patent on 'rigging' is anything like what you and others are saying it is, then you clearly struggle with common sense. I'm tired of saying it but fixing matchups to keep similarly skilled players in the same grouping is absolutely different to making sure you come up against rogue 5 times in a row.
As I've also said, the exact same things are said about fifa and EA. So which is kore likely?
Scenario 1, butthurt players come up with a conspiracy about cheated out of wins by a company which 'is known for this' (the patent thing is repeated constantly on the fifa forum as well), accusing the company of rigging their games to make sure they lose which according to these geniuses, is done for player engagement and to keep people spending money.
Scenario 2, these internet warriors are not as good as they think they are at said games. The game is not rigged seeing as proof that it actually was would be devastating for both companies. Both games have fairly sized esport followings and prize money available. The skilled players consistently achieve high rankings, somehow being immune to this coding that cheats the players in fairly modest ranks and keeps them there. Both companies have clarified their matchmaking systems, confirming they are fixed to keep the game competitive and ensure that the system matches peole of similar win rates together. The internet warriors completely misunderstand this and say 'they even admit they fix it!!!' Whilst completely missing that if this meant what they thought it did, then the lid would would blown off the scam for all companies and everyone would be in agreement that what they have done is unacceptable, probably resulting in some form of legal action.
I'm really pretty done with this, it's quite scary how many people are just so simple. You carry on with flawed logic and bad reasons for thinking what you think. It's always dumb, but hurt players on forums that bleat on about it being rigged and fixed against them. There's a reason nothing has ever come of it, no legal action, no fines, no evidence that is clear these companies are doing what is said.
It's the same for most conspiracies. Most experts that have studied something for years will advise X but Xxjimmybob2519Xx on some internet forum, with no expertise or actual understanding of the situation knows better. Whilst the examples I gave were clearly different they are all examples of stupid actions taken because people don't bother educating themselves about things, they read a headline and not the actual article, they go along with whatever belief makes them feel better, they don't make good decisions and that leads to groups of people that make bad decisions in general. Decisions based on thoughts and feelings, confirmation bias and flawed logic rather than evidence. If they can't reasonably discuss a game, what about what they choose to do with their vote? What laws do they not support or even continue to support because of their ridiculous beliefs? Bad logic and reason spills out into general life and unfortunately ends up affecting other people.
Like I said, I've seen the EXACT same complaints and awful evidence on other forums. Right down to the hilarious patent example and exactly the same 'reasons' for the company doing it. Awful reasons whichbmake no sense but multiple player bases clearly cant understand what is meant when terms like player engagement are used so they run off with their own, flawed explanations on what it means. HOW are multiple companies doing this and no one has done anything about it?
Please give a decent answer, I'm open to changing my mind but years of the same things on different games have given me the belief that I wont get any kind of reasonable explanation.
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Beauty if a game like hs is you can put it down for a couple of weeks or even months and just come back when you have the urge or new content drops. Just take a break and come back after the next expansion?
Though if you genuinely find it as bad as your post suggests then I'd really want to ask why you're still playing at all? If you're that unhappy, then don't play, why continue with something that you dislike so much?
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What is your point here?
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Yeah this is one of those things that would be brilliant from a player perspective but catastrophic from a business point of view. It's the sort of thing that would just cause the game to fold and I'd rather it stayed active. Unlike what seems to be 80÷ of this forum, I really like this game and would like to see it continue for as long as possible.
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I don't mind paying against priest in general. The res builds are tiresome but they are as such for the same reason hyper aggressive decks are, they don't really care about what the other player is doing. They have a fairly single track mindset and unless something really forces them to do something different they will wait for the same cards to be played on the same turns and make very similar choices, regardless of what you are doing.
This doesn't give a sense of a typical PvP experience. It makes it less about 'me versus this player' and more about 'me versus these mechanics'.
Hyper aggro is just as bad. Unless you force them to interact with your board through taunts then they are basically playing a single player game. I'd rather play control vs control anytime, there are more decisions to make and more variables to account for or plan for. Theres none of that vs face hunter, it literally just locks you into a race and whilst I get why people prefer to play in that style, if it wasn't for other archetypes it would be a terrible game to play.
I started a new account on US just for fun and its pretty much all DH mirrors. I completely get why, that's not the point but my point is the experience is miserable. It's so limited to which draws their good things quicker and theres almost no way to recover or bait or anything interesting. Its pretty much go face with the occasional decision on whether to trade. If it was straight up aggro v aggro, nondiscover or rng etc then I all absolutely sure that this would be a terrible game and in mo way would it keep people's attention.
Peole hate what they don't tend to win against. Priest can survive in ways other classes cant and so can sometimes feek frustrating. Especially if they draw well and they literally relive every minion or wide board you try and make. Thats no different to a DH or aggressive deck drawing well and barely giving you an chance to play a card, for the other player. It makes then mad because they don't get to enjoy the game in the way they get enjoyment.
I've had some crazy games against priest or co teol decks in general. Added somebody after a bonkers game the other evening that had me actually laughing out loud. I ended upnlsijng but we discussed the game after and had a good laugh. Whilst I understand aggro being necessary, I've never finished a game with an aggro deck or against one and thought 'that could be one of the most fun games of HS I've ever played'. I lost the mage game but really didn't mind, it went back and forth and swung around several times.
If you get enjoyment purely from winning more than anything else then I assume you're more likely to be an aggro player.
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This thread, and others like it on this site are just clear examples showing that people find it much easier to believe what they want to believe rather than believing things that are true. These people would probably be taking part in witch hunts once upon a time. Or dancing to make it rain. Or sacrificing virgins for a good crop yield.
I often wonder when it if mankind will get past this nonsense because I honestly feel it holds us back. There are just too many idiots and what's worse is they are wrapped in cotton wool and protected by society on the whole, so theres very little reason to change how they are.
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I didn't shout and if you're aware already then a forum post isn't going to get you any further. If you can't see the difference between this and the example you posted (and meant it seriously) then I wont get far on here.
Ask yourself some basic, open questions about what the company would benefit from this, what the risk is, why they would do it, what evidence there is and if you can answer them all with demonstrable, repeatable data/evidence then go for it. I have a sneaking suspicion we will be waiting a long, long time for anyone to even come close to bothering though.
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Not even close to being similar, I really hope you're just joking at this point because if not, I'd really suggest you learn up about scepticism and reason rather than dumping your time into a card game. Go check out street epistemology and apply the questions there to your own thoughts.