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    posted a message on Are you happy with puzzle box and insane RNG from Mage
    Quote from Fog_za >>

    Most times when mages play it against me it has a neutral outcome, or it screws them over. I've had one or two games in which it won the game for them, but mostly it sucks. I don't know why anyone would include it in their deck.

     Because it's fun. It causes things to happen in games that you cannot predict and moments that are unpredictable. Not everybody wants to win at all costs all of the time and box has given me some hilarious or very cool moments in games that a majority of cards simply can't give. Since regularly using a quest, discovery mage deck I've had multiple friend requests after games with people complimenting the deck and saying what a cool game we had, win or lose.

    A majority of players aren't competitive players. They aren't hitting too 100 and going for tournaments etc and so sometimes they just want to have fun. Hanar and box are two of the most fun cards I've ever used. Sure, box does me over as often as it helps me but I don't play this deck because I'm expecting a steady, consistent strategy. I play it because it's the backend of an expansion following a rotation and so there are the fewest amount of cards available and I'm a bit bored. My games rarely feel similar and I have no idea how they'll go, this keeps it fresh for me at the moment. I have no interest in grinding ladder, I use my janky mage deck to get to around diamond 3 and it never feels a chore.

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    posted a message on Is Demon Hunter still a problem?

    I have found their numbers significantly lower than 4 or so weeks ago. My win rate with the small spell mage deck I use has risen because DH was a miserable matchup for my deck. Something like 20% win rate or less. Twin slice means they can't glaivebound on 5 anymore and the extra turn makes a difference. If they have coin they can use it for that but it restricts them doing other things. It doesn't feel busted to play against. That's not to say it isn't strong, it's a strong class and when it draws the nuts it will generally roll through you but so does rogue, druid and warrior. Face hunter as well. Lots of decks do well when they draw the right cards, in the right order, at the right time.

    I played a lot of secret rogue for 6 weeks or so after the expansion launched. Mainly due to Hanar just being a very fun card and I found that secrets and blackjack stunners were useful against demon hunter as well as saving flik for the right time. It is a hard matchup for rogue though but that's one of the draw backs of 'maining' a class and just one of the reasons I've never bought into that concept. I have a handful of classes I play more than others, sure but I feel you're kind of asking for these issues when you pretty much just play one class. As soon as a deck becomes popular that counters your class, you're a bit stuffed and don't have much room to move because you haven't invested time or have dusted cards from other classes. I do accept that for f2p players this is a viable strategy, to focus on a couple of classes due to dust limitations but pure f2p will almost always have a more difficult time across the board, it's the nature of the beast.

    Just to ask though, you do realise that you're playing a deck that people similarly complain about, right? You are your equivalent to demon hunter, to a lot of other people. The deck you use is problematic and a pain to them (I personally really enjoy rogue at the moment). My point being though that people don't all like the same thing.

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    posted a message on Is this the worse meta you’ve seen?

    This is a bad time though to be fair. The expansion following the sets switching to wild is the period where the least amount of cards are available and it's getting right to the end of this expansion period, so it's going to feel a bit of a drag at this stage, for some people.

    Saying that, there are viable decks for almost every class, with some having more than one. It does need an injection of new cards to freshen things up and fortunately we're not far from that.

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    posted a message on When Hearthstone streamers change their content so much their Youtube channels are almost unrecognizable...
    Quote from KingCarnage >>
    Quote from Alp2760 >>
    Quote from ArcyroX >>

    yea I agree about Kripp, feel the same.

    but you know who I miss the most for Hearthstone?
    Disguised Toast...

     Yeah toast is a really entertaining content creator. He seemed to pop back very briefly before going again. It is a shame (for me, I assume he's having a good time) because I'm not interested in the game he plays and so there's no point watching.

     What kind of games does he play now?

     Auto battle stuff I believe. That team fight tactics game (I think it's called that) seems to be his main focus. Every few months I'll have a look up of his channel to see if he's done any HS content and that seems to be all he plays. I'm never going to play it so I just don't watch. Funny guy though and one who would step outside of the norm just to have a laugh.

    Dekkster is very good, he's pretty chill but funny. My favourite creatir is Old Guardian, he doesn't get all hyper and whacky and he breaks down his thought process really well, creates budget decks and guides as well as videos of off meta decks and best decks to climb with etc. He really should have a bigger following than he does, I suspect it's the lack of over the top, crazy stuff that affects that though. The kids in stream seem to love that sort of thing rather than mature, calm conversation and strategy explanation.

    Regis is ok but seems very much led by sponsor activity and is very sub focussed. It's totally fine and I get he is trying to make a living but I think his older videos, where he wasn't quite so big were just better and less pandering towards subs and sponsors.

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    posted a message on When Hearthstone streamers change their content so much their Youtube channels are almost unrecognizable...
    Quote from ArcyroX >>

    yea I agree about Kripp, feel the same.

    but you know who I miss the most for Hearthstone?
    Disguised Toast...

     Yeah toast is a really entertaining content creator. He seemed to pop back very briefly before going again. It is a shame (for me, I assume he's having a good time) because I'm not interested in the game he plays and so there's no point watching.

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    posted a message on When Hearthstone streamers change their content so much their Youtube channels are almost unrecognizable...

    Yeah but they are also the ones doing all the work and making the content so it's fair enough that they will play and create the content they enjoy the most. It's similar to a TV show either going off the rails or finishing. You just have to find an alternative to fill the void.

    I'm yet to replace GoT, sadly.

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    posted a message on I just hit Legendary rank on Standard(Season 75) using my Demon Hunter Tempo deck
    Quote from Hooghout >>

    How does it feel. The way of the mindless? I would be deeply ashamed of myself, let alone publicly announce it reaching legend with demon hunter.

     The crowd that refuse to play DH and have some weird kind of judgement for anyone who does are just part of another group of sheep that are so judgemental about the group they look down on.

    Doing anything purely to go against the grain is no bigger or more clever than following whatever trend just to fit in.

    DH is very f2p or returning player friendly and is a cool concept as a class. It isn't really my cup of tea but I have had fun with some big demon decks, it just doesn't have the tools to really do a lot right now. I'm sure DH will get some different archetypes in the coming expansions and I'm not going to refuse to play it just because I think it gives me cool points not to.

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    posted a message on Does everyone like that this game has gone "full casino mode"?

    The deck I'm playing is very heavily reliant on RNG but that's what makes it so fun. I have to approach druids very differently to priests and sometimes things absolutely whiff and I lose miserably, other times I get 6 ice barriers from my hero power and manage to put heal Demon Hunter's power plays.

    I made a new account on the US server just to mess about with a f2p account and the grind through the apprentice ranks was pretty much DH Vs DH or priest. I played so many matches where each player just draws and drops what they draw, with a lot of matches being decided by who drew X first. It really wasn't fun for me personally. Almost every game my deck felt the same and it got very repetitive, play 1 of 3 cards on turn 1, same for 2 etc etc.

    It may not be everyone's cup of tea but RNG and discovery keep things feeling fresh and create moments you simply can't get by playing 2 decks of 30 cards that have minimal effects and text.

    I also think the skill level is a lot higher with the mage deck I'm using because especially when discovering cards (and the deck does a lot of that) my choices are very reliant on understanding the opponent's deck and anticipating what is to come. If I play magic trick, do I take the counter spell, I've barrier or frost nova? Those decisions can make or break games and I've often realised that I made a bad or particularly good choice and it has had a large impact on the outcome. That isn't pure luck, it's good or bad decisions making. Decision making gets better with experience, which increases your foresight.

    Now there are elements of pure luck, puzzle box for example but that card isn't simply in a vacuum. There are often many decisions you've made before or after that which matter. The outcome of the box is luck dependent but the choice of when or even just whether to play it at all is a decision you have to make. The more you play, the better you can anticipate the types of results you're likely to get and the decision to play the box or not can be a key decision.

    If you don't like it then you're not wrong for not liking it, but not every game is always for everyone and maybe a different card game would be better for you.

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    posted a message on Are you happy with puzzle box and insane RNG from Mage

    Entire RNG spell mage is disgrace for Hearthstone and it represents game at it's worst. Since HS doesn't have many ways to interact with opponent's spells or battlecry effects, whole matchup feels uninteractive, frustrating and boring (inability to use any of your minions for like 7-8 turns straight isn't uncommon thing due to constant stream of stales and removals). Box is just nail in the coffin for your sanity.

    Also, Yogg-Saron, Hope's End actually felt much more random and you never wanted the play it, when you were ahead (because it could backfire). Box on the other hand, seems to heavily favor it's user, so it can be played just for tempo, especially if you can cheat it out for less mana.

     It doesn't heavily favour the user. This is you refusing to think rationally and using your own bias to keep justifying the resentment you feel. Oh and please show these games where you can't use any minions for 7-8 turns straight. In all my experience using mage this is incredibly rare. 3 or 4 maybe but stop exaggerating and being hyperbolic because you think it makes your point better. It doesn't, it very much discredits it. I'd very much like to see a sample of games where the mage gets off 8 full board freezes. I've maybe done that once and that's only because of get lucky with magic tricks, discover other magic tricks and get board freezes from the quest. You can't even have 8 board freezes in a deck so you're relying on discovering them or generating them randomly.

    If it's so great, go play a spell focussed mage for 50 games and pop the box at every chance you get. Better yet, why don't you do that and record the spells cast every time and then come back and have at least some data to back up your claim?

    Box varies from good, to bad, to meh. I never use it whilst ahead because it's burned me too many times. It's milled me to death more times than I care to remember or ended up burning important cards because it decides to cast skull in to hand of Guldan. 

    You Joan about the RNG of box but as an opponent that's better than the consistently powerful things other decks and cards can do. Brand on curve is usually much more soul destroying. There are plenty of other cards that end the game for the deck they are in but Mage has limited power tools.

    The fact that your crying about a purely random card shows you how little power level they have in their own class cards. Mage has no galakrond, no charge, no healing, limited tempo or early game cards. 

    If you're consistently losing to box then you're just a bad player. Sure, every now and then it will steal a game but if you took it away then what are you leaving mage with as a power play? Power of creation? Yeah I'm sure the other classes are quaking.

    Honestly, you lot will cry about absolutely anything that isn't letting you win over and over again. It's incredibly self centered and childish but it never changes.

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    posted a message on Hearthstone's MM is *NOT* rigged and is *NOT* keeping everyone at 50% win rate
    Quote from wg15 >>

    HSReplay deep data diggin'

    Razakus Priests have gotten Coldarra Drake in over 8,5% if they used Dragonqueen Alexstrasza :)

    No other deck has the percentage that high.

    The percentage should be 2,5% :)

    Not rigged!

    Also something I recognized in my arena runs, even though this can be completely random, but I love the fact :D
    Bought runs with real money: Average 10,3 wins in the last month.
    Gold bought runs: Average 6,2 wins in the last month.

    And a lot of lovely RNG in those runs, for me if bought with real money and vice versa.



     Would you be happy to lose your job or take a lengthy prison sentence based on this sort of testimony? Is there anything else in life that you would hold such a low standard for evidence?

    Do you feel that a % of X being different to Y means that the data has been tampered with? Or when assessing two sets of data do you expect it to be 50% each way?

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    posted a message on Are you happy with puzzle box and insane RNG from Mage

    The deck I've been using in standard is centered around the quest and discovery/randomly generated spells and minions. It means I get a lot of spells fairly regularly and can have games with 3 or 4 boxes or evocations, for example.

    I've played over 300 games in the last 5 or 6 weeks with this deck and have probably popped at least 400 boxes in that time, I feel fairly well accustomed to the box and it's outcomes.

    Honestly? There's very little consistency in almost every sense with them. It isn't uncommon for them not to clear a board, they can comfortably end up drawing you through your deck or play 5 board clears on an already empty board.

    To me, it's one of the best cards ever printed. I value the fun aspect more than winning, hence the deck I'm using because it has a 42% win rate (mainly thanks to the face hunter and demon hunter matchups being so, so, so bad).

    It isn't unusually for it not to swing the game or even really impact it at all. It can also completely ruin your game or give your opponent a big boost. Basically, it does gat it says on the tin and out of the 3 options if swinging the game your way, your opponents way or having little impact, it seems fairly well split between all 3 outcomes.

    I'd be really interested to see a breakdown of % chance for each thing, such as board clear, single target spells, recovery etc and able to see what chances each action has. Based on my experience it is pretty balanced and can make for some very funny moments which you just can't get without RNG. I'll sometimes just chuck a box out for the fun of it. Even on am empty board and both at 30hp. I'll absolutely miss it when it rotates out, that will be a sad day.

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    posted a message on Attention Net Deckers.
    Quote from HS_trash >>

    why this post even exist ???

     Attention seeking.

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    posted a message on Attention Net Deckers.

    Your logic is flawed for multiple reasons but I suspect you actually know that and you're just acting out. My 11 year old does that.

    Trolls need to try harder these days. You lot haven't moved on from 2005.

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    posted a message on Need decks which could easily beat this

    You could try making a very greedy, armour and clear focussed warrior. You need breathing space and time to stabilise in games against these decks so armour or healing will be your best friend. That leaves warrior or priest. Warrior can gain absurd amounts of armour and has some decent clears and removal. So if you aren't too bothered about beating other decks, you could just go all in on removal and armour gain and look to survive through their big plays, clear their board and win through fatigue.

    Both decks will draw through their deck quite quickly, if you can get past turn 10 and be in a decent spot then you've got a good chance.

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    posted a message on If you could ban a hero like tournaments who’d you ban?

    Hunter, face hunter can make me irrationally angry with the game and is the only deck that will cause me to say 'yep, that's it for today'. The gnomes are incredibly oppressive and I dislike the fact that the game is on an immediate timer. Unless I'm running a deck to specifically try and counter it and they draw badly then I know I'm likely to lose.

    Each to their own, I just don't see where the fun in that deck is at all. It's effective but the cards are boring and playing 50 games with it must feel so monotonous. I'm not a fan of not having much control over my input into the game and with the lack of healing about for a lot of classes, there can just be very few ways to handle it.

    I'd personally much rather play against priest.

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