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Quote from Cocoduf >>

But in all seriousness, Bomb Warrior is the worst archetype they ever created from a design perspective. Having to worry about what's in your deck rather than what's on the board makes no sense when you can only interact with the board and not with your deck.

 Steal priest cares same thing. :P

yeah I'm complaining about this one; Nozari

Since the beginning of the expansion, I couldn't see once. NOT EVEN ONCE !

Neither in casual nor ladder around r5 and wild.

Year of the Dragons. Ok..

If I unpack it, I will do a deck with him whatever it costs.

Let's complain about Nozari !

THE MIGHTY PROTECTOR OF DALARAN !!!!

whoops, where is he btw !? lol.

Quote from Infirc >>

Totally shameless Self-plug by copy pasting my post from another thread:

try this deck. I've been using this  to demolish aggro, it's weak against control decks, particularly bomb control decks or anything that runs elysiana, but it demolishes Token druid and murloc shamman, and has a fairly winnable matchup against hyperaggressive hunter builds.

### Beltruglock
# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
#
# 2x (1) Mortal Coil
# 1x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze
# 2x (2) Doomsayer
# 1x (2) Plot Twist
# 1x (2) Sunfury Protector
# 2x (3) Earthen Ring Farseer
# 1x (3) Sense Demons
# 2x (3) Shadow Bolt
# 2x (4) Hellfire
# 2x (4) Twilight Drake
# 2x (5) Rotten Applebaum
# 1x (5) Zilliax
# 2x (6) Aranasi Broodmother
# 1x (6) Siphon Soul
# 1x (7) Tunnel Blaster
# 1x (8) Deranged Doctor
# 1x (8) Dr. Morrigan
# 1x (8) Fel Lord Betrug
# 1x (8) Twisting Nether
# 1x (9) Lord Jaraxxus
# 2x (12) Mountain Giant
#
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Also if you ask about dr.morrigan, i'm using it to generate a board after a beltrug turn but you can cut it for  either a second Tunnel Blaster, an Archivist Elysiana or more healing

 try using Dollmaster Dorian in that deck instead of Sense Demons. it really helps :)

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Quote from Ven_gyr >>

Idk, I have 12-0 w-l vs Rogues as a Priest. For some reason priest is the class I meet the least. I think it is disgustingly strong and is only third due to bad players.

 What do you mean? Bad players only plays as Priests and not as Rogues? C'mon. That statistics reflects the real power of a Class just because of its huge numbers. I picked Priest and never offered that 4-7 body, Potion of Madness or Dragon's Potion. That deck was weak with such a low value. You need key cards then you are good. When you don't have them, then you are probably in a very bad shape.

P.s. And the fact that Priest is "only third" does not mean it is bad. It is 3rd out of 9 Classes. With Rogue undoubtedly the first, and Warlock undoubtedly the Second.

P. p. s. Paladin is my best class in Arena right now (and always was). But it doesn't mean that it is the best Class overall. I just like to play Paladin and know how to draft properly and more importantly - how to draft fitting my style of play. I think personal preferences plays an important role in your success. But the real rankings is there and they kinda missing your subjective feelings, like, at all.

 yeah you said the key here and I wanted to quote it to shine more.

Personal preferences, knowledge or experiences (call what you wish) is more important than rank list of classes. If you really don't know how to draft and pilot Rogue, it doesn't really matter it is at #1 or #9.

Yes, it is like every other meta.

Don't let those whiners kill your joy. Really don't care about whine threads. If you are happy with your experiments and experiences, who cares what other guys think ?

The worst thing a person can do is whine about something because that's popular. I mean, some people likes always what it is popular. If they actually liked the new expansion, they might say that "no I don't like neither" because of the community.

If you really like, don't care the community. Community of any game is trash right now. They are doing something without purpose. They like if the crowd likes, They don't like if crowd doesn't like.


And yes, I liked the expansion and the meta. I also liked Rastakhan too. I always like new cards because they bring some new experiment areas to the game.

Quote from SwedishOxxx >>

Why in the fuckest of fucks would Blizzard give away OLD packs in the special quest!? I mean I don't want that old shit when a new expansion is released, I want the new cards...

 well, I would be happy if I could unpack a Lord Godfrey from ww pack since I won't open anymore. Guess what? 40 dust pack as always. :(

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Quote from Tuscarora87 >>

People don't yet realize how strong RoS expansion is. RoS could be capable to somewhat shake the previous "unshakeable" (mammoth, raven) meta (unlike TBP and RR).

Again, stats are fair and often overcosted; but effects (although thematically already seen) and forced swingy synergies are insane.

Just add Patches to certain Tempo Rouge builds and it would be good as... or even better then Wild Pirate Warrior (because of tempo cheat).

The power level feel is relative, but Token Druid seems as strong as Odd Paladin, in both old and new circumstances.

Rng from lackeys and numerous 'discover' effects guarantees swingy and unpredictable turns. That's their plan (everything can succeed or fail at any stage) for the game to balance itself. We'll see how it ends up.

Another measure of managing the game from developers' and company's side are forced archetypes. A lot of builds are obvious and autopiloted.

 

 

Did you ever read what I wrote ?

Thanks for your general speak of Meta but there are already so much meta threads in the forum.

I've opened this thread for older archetypes like Gonk Druid, Shark Rogue etc. If you have word about them, we all will be pleased but please go discuss these in another meta threads.

And try to read whole thread next time. Threads don't consist of the titles. Why some people just answers the title ?

Edit: And I have edited the title to prevent next misunderstandings.

 

Who do you think you are ? So much bitterness.

You oppened this thread asking if anyone has successfully tried any deck powered by the year of the Raven sets in this meta. Their point is that RoS archetypes are probably way too strong to be ignored (which isn't that much of a reach really), implying that people would have a hard time trying what you asked. No need to act like a brat.

 Sorry if i've sound like bitter but I was not. It's not my main language and some word decisions causes that probably. I just didn't wanted this thread to turn into general meta discussion thread like others because there are too much of them already.

Again, sorry if i disturb anyone.

Quote from Infirc >>

I've been playing a beltrug Handlock using dr morrigan and an emeriss Midrange hunter, my handlock has had a really good matchup against aggro decks, it destroys token druid, murloc shamman and hunter decks that try to go for early wins, but loses miserably against bomb warrior and has problems with infinite value decks.

My emeriss midrange hunter was just some meme build idea around using emeriss on minions that i dire frenzied and ended up being pretty good against control decks, but is weak to token druid.
these are the codes:

Handlock:
### Beltruglock
# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
#
# 2x (1) Mortal Coil
# 1x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze
# 2x (2) Doomsayer
# 1x (2) Plot Twist
# 1x (2) Sunfury Protector
# 2x (3) Earthen Ring Farseer
# 1x (3) Sense Demons
# 2x (3) Shadow Bolt
# 2x (4) Hellfire
# 2x (4) Twilight Drake
# 2x (5) Rotten Applebaum
# 1x (5) Zilliax
# 2x (6) Aranasi Broodmother
# 1x (6) Siphon Soul
# 1x (7) Tunnel Blaster
# 1x (8) Deranged Doctor
# 1x (8) Dr. Morrigan
# 1x (8) Fel Lord Betrug
# 1x (8) Twisting Nether
# 1x (9) Lord Jaraxxus
# 2x (12) Mountain Giant
#
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Emeriss Midrange hunter

### Mid-range
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
#
# 2x (1) Springpaw
# 2x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze
# 2x (2) EVIL Cable Rat
# 2x (2) Scavenging Hyena
# 1x (2) Vicious Scalehide
# 2x (3) Animal Companion
# 1x (3) Eaglehorn Bow
# 2x (3) Kill Command
# 2x (3) Unleash the Hounds
# 1x (4) Arcane Fletcher
# 1x (4) Dire Frenzy
# 2x (4) Houndmaster
# 2x (4) Marked Shot
# 2x (5) Baited Arrow
# 1x (5) Halazzi, the Lynx
# 1x (6) Savannah Highmane
# 2x (6) Unleash the Beast
# 1x (10) Emeriss
# 1x (10) Zul'jin
#
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 I would like to try some Dragon/beast hunter too. I had tried a build with Marsh Drake + Candleshot last year. It was a good addition but well most of the older top tier decks punished it so hard and now we dont have Candleshot.

Can you provide an opportunity to play Emeriss with this deck ? I mean that for not only reaching turn 10. Do you have enough cards in hand at t10 ? I guess we need to find draw and minion produce for this deck to work.

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Quote from Almaniarra >>

"Well Plot Twist is for that situation after all" - I know, but, please, make a difference between not getting a heal, but having a good starting hand, and not getting a heal and having bad cards at the start of the game. Against tempo rogues I am forced to clear their board ASAP (I have tools like Hellfire, Shadow Bolt for this task), but because I wasn't able to deal with the pirates and the wolves fast enough in that match, I took too much damage match and the healing I got from shuffling the Broodmothers couldn't compensate the loss. Plot twist came way too late.

"btw portal keeper version of that deck is bad i think" - I would like to disagree. I tested the Portal Keepers and I really like them, because they are somewhat cheap. I know that their body is not the most optimal one (it would have been better as a 3/4), but 2/2s with Rush I get from them are really nice. They help, when I'm behind the board and/or need to do some trades.

As for your deck - I don't have Dorian or Betrug. My list looks like this:

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Minion (18) 1x Arch-Villain Rafaam 1x Harrison Jones 1x Lord Godfrey 1x Zilliax 1x Augmented Elekk 2x Doomsayer 1x Acidic Swamp Ooze 2x Hecklebot 2x Phantom Militia 2x Portal Keeper 2x Aranasi Broodmother 2x Rotten Applebaum	Ability (12) 1x The Soularium 2x Twisting Nether 2x Plot Twist 1x Shriek 1x Siphon Soul 1x Sense Demons 2x Hellfire 2x Shadow Bolt
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and it's really good in all honesty. I recently added the militia and it feels like a great addition.

If you ask me, you should definitely add a single copy of Sense Demons in your deck, in order to fetch Betrug/Broodmothers. I don't know why you run the Archivist, when you can go infinite with the Elekks anyway. The Elekk Plot twist combo is not a meme imho. It's just a really greedy play, which is being punished by fast strategies (that's why I run only 1 Elekk). But against slower decks being able to shuffle strong board clears like Twisting Nether and Lord Godfrey and going infinite is just game-winning.

 

 Well I don't have Lord Godfrey that really hurts, tbh. and most of the time I am using Plot Twist with dorian and Betrug so I can't use it for elekks and most of the time there was no time for that against those druids and rogues. I'm dying to replace them with godfrey and rafaam but waiting meta to settle down. and for being infinite you always need second twist and elekk holded and that's way sooo greedy imo. Dorian helps with 1/1 deathrattle: 0/5 taunts and applebaum + deranged doctors' heals. I can't use doomsayers because of dorian issues. it appears as 1/1 and clears my board and thanks to that combo i don't even need sense demons.

I guess our decks are different versions of promising archetype. :)

If I could unpack a Khadgar, I want to try a portal Mage with Portal Keepers. it sounds fun when you consider that Khadgar summons another rush demon. :)

and If I could get Lord Godfrey and Arch-Villain Rafaam, I will give your deck a try for sure. Lord Godfrey seem staple in that deck. Honestly, It is also staple in my deck too but I couldn't play warlock at last year (because I hate cubelocks + Void Lords) so I didn't craft Godfrey but hell ! In this expansion warlock is really so funny. I was a fan of warlocks before knc, and now it is again my 3rd fav class. :)

Note: Sorry for my lore-related post, if you don't like to read a lore related comment please jump that for the sake of you and me :)

The biggest fail of the Hearthstone is having so much neutral minions.

Meta will shape around always neutral minions. There should be more class-spesific cards in each expansion.

Cards should have been like 14 per class + 10 neutral or 13 per class + 18 neutral.

I mean, i really hate all of the classes hiding behind same Taunt minions. Ok, I love hearthstone but it is mechanically and lore-related wrong.

Neutral tribe tags are complete bullshit. How can a warlock or Mage controls a beast ? How can a Warrior control some kind of big Elemental ?

There should be more class-specific differences between classes.

And for mage, There should be more spells like Mirror Image and Ice Barrier. Arcane and Frost should protect mages instead of ridiculous Lifesteal Elementals from Frost Lich Jaina or some kind of neutral taunt minion.

I hate how Hearthstone handles neutral cards really. Ok I love the game but I imagined different when they first announced hearthstone.

BLIZZARD ! Hear me, Please do more cards for classes and less cards for neutral and make tribes class specific !!! (ok, ok; i know these won't happen in any time)


Note Again: Sorry for my lore-related post, if you don't like to read a lore related comment please jump that for the sake of you and me :)

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Quote from Kwakdizzle >>

It's fine to say you don't like the new expansion, but your supporting arguments carry no weight at all. Nothing new in the game? Mech hunter, control shaman, bomb warrior, togwaggle rogue, new token druid, they're new and classesplay very differently from the previous expansion. Next to that, rotation means the game feels so fresh. Not having to play around psychcic scream, fungalmancer, or know that I lose my chance to close the game due to a Frostlich Jaina or Bloodreaver Guldan feels sooo good.

Sometimes it's the responsibility of the player to try something new, not just for the game to add it. Go try some new decks. You may enjoy them.

 Indeed.  It is amazing to see how little concern people have for whether or not the words they type are even remotely tethered to reality.

No new decks?  You're an idiot.

Bomb Warrior OP?  Provably false

Uninteractive?  Words mean meanings regardless of what euphemism you want to use for "deck I don't like"

 Man check the votes you will see how is right. 

after less than one week:

12,8% Bad

60,4% Good

26,8% So and so

What do you think that will be the result after 1 month or even worst 2 or 3? The disappointment for this expansion like now is really high. Nearly half of the people, after less than one week thinks that this expansion is not good. So, probably you the the idiot. And yes. It is full of bomb warrior. 

 12.8% is nearly half of 'the people' ? 

You seem desperate to convince people to be unhappy and drag as many as you can into your little hole of sadness. Why? Why are you pushing and pushing for people to not like it? It's pathetic mate. 

12.8% will be higher than it actually is as well. Forums traditionally have a higher portion of bitches on it, people are more busy enjoying a game than going and writing about it but the sad lot who are unhappy seem to prefer camping out and trying to convince others of the same. It's not just hearthstone, same with every game forum I've been part of. Pretty much all of those have been called bad, boring, dying etc and yet are still going, still being enjoyed but the forums are still flooded with the same, asinine cretins that haunt the Internet.

What do you like, man? What makes you happy? What game do you enjoy? Is this the ONLY game you play? Can't you play something else whilst this period you're not enjoying is going on? 

There's plenty of new games, sekiro could keep you busy for hours, play warcraft, maybe try out something like black desert online  play magic the gathering or take up a sport or hobby. The world is your oyster. 

 What problems do you have man? 12,8%+ 26,8%. If you have issues in understanding data thinks the contrary. 

60,4% of the people like the new expansion after one week. DO you think that this is a good result? What do you think that is the acceptance of the people after a new game expansion? 80%/90% when it is good. 60,4% after one week will be after 2/3 month less than 40% of acceptance. 

Ah by the way: Why should I convince people to dislike the expansion? I really don't care. I hope that people like it. I like Hearthstone and I want people to play it. I am disappointed. THat's it. 

I think someone else have problems handling the data of the poll.  Why you count the 26,8% between unhappies? I 12% people don't like chocolate, 60% likes chocolate and 28% are indifferent, you cannot say nearly half of the people dislike chocolate.

BTW, even with your "statistics skills" 39.6% is closer to one third than to one half. 

 because it is statistics. All can conjure a benefit from some kind of weird numbers.

and for whom said that "there are only 3 decks in rank 1 - 3 " What do you expect ?

I mean it was always like that. Nothing ever changed for 6 years. My friends are refusing to play netdecks and they are losing on purpose at rank 16 because they don't want to play against same decks. I am also doing that after 1st season I mean for my checkpoints like if i am at 8 i am losing on purpose if i climb to 6 because casual is full of those "whiners" with their hyper aggro decks to farm golds on us. Ranked 20-15 has best variety of decks for standard. Wild is different.  Wild casual is playable.

People knows how to enjoy but forum whiners don't know it seems. Love or hate, Competitive playing brings that. They are rushing same decks because they want only wins not enjoyement or anything. Their enjoyement stlye lies under winning. They don't care which decks they are facing, They don't care they are playing "cool" synergies or not. They only care for their win. There will be always 3-5 decks on top ladder. Do you want to enjoy the game by playing against different decks ? Don't play for a while and stay at lower ranks.

I'm also climbing first seasons of new expansions and I know how you are climbing to those 1-3 ranks. You are also grinding with those decks and you are doing that since 1st season. Don't try to fool other forum users.

I'm playing this deck at Rank 4 right now.  Here's how you can destroy me:

• The deck currently runs zero tech.  Drop some taunts, because I don't have Spellbreaker in the list.
• The deck works best when I can go face every turn.  Frost Nova is a major bummer.
• If I played Soul of the Forest, just don't kill my minions; I did it to enable Treespeaker.
• mass dispell would completely wreck a buffed board.
• Even though defile rotated, Lord Godfrey did not.
• Vanish would wreck me harder than Frost Nova
• Don't let me develop the board in the early turns; force me to make trades I'm not happy about and you'll usually win or force me to make later plays I don't want to make (like Soul of the Forest on two minions or using a Savage Roar just to make trades and keep the board).

Quote from Halli11 >>

@Lyra

Who the fuck said I was a control player, and I didn't generalize OTK decks if you actually read it properly you would have known but ending games in OTK consistently at around round 5-7 is not fun for anyone. And talking about being biased when you start your reply with biased yourself 

I've been on these forums for awhile now. It's pretty easy to know the control mains when they start making sweeping 'objective' generalizations about what is or isn't fun for "everyone" (whatever that means). Also, your complaints of two playstyles that have the potential to beat control doesn't really put your post in a good light of suggesting that you don't primarily main control. It's also pretty obvious when you resort to copypasta edgy catch phrases, such as aggro not requiring strategy/skill. Even as a combo/otk main, who is naturally countered by the aggro playstyle, understands the various elements of skill needed when playing aggro.

I agree with the others here, you're salty af. Time to move on and stop spamming these forums with premature doomsayer balance threads for a meta that isn't even established fully.

Biased control player is biased.

I honestly stopped caring about your post the moment you tried sugar coating your favorite playstyle by generalizing both OTK and aggro playstyles as being detrimental to the game. 

Quote from Ven_gyr >>

Idk, I have 12-0 w-l vs Rogues as a Priest. For some reason priest is the class I meet the least. I think it is disgustingly strong and is only third due to bad players.

 What do you mean? Bad players only plays as Priests and not as Rogues? C'mon. That statistics reflects the real power of a Class just because of its huge numbers. I picked Priest and never offered that 4-7 body, Potion of Madness or Dragon's Potion. That deck was weak with such a low value. You need key cards then you are good. When you don't have them, then you are probably in a very bad shape.

P.s. And the fact that Priest is "only third" does not mean it is bad. It is 3rd out of 9 Classes. With Rogue undoubtedly the first, and Warlock undoubtedly the Second.

P. p. s. Paladin is my best class in Arena right now (and always was). But it doesn't mean that it is the best Class overall. I just like to play Paladin and know how to draft properly and more importantly - how to draft fitting my style of play. I think personal preferences plays an important role in your success. But the real rankings is there and they kinda missing your subjective feelings, like, at all.

https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Battlecry#Order_of_play

Battlecries occur after the minion enters play, and after 'whenever you play' triggered effects such as those of Illidan Stormrage and Hobgoblin.

Hey at least, now you know !

Scargil

It's not a jab at murloc shaman, just at scargil that doesn't accompish much in it. This isn't why murloc shaman is good.

Chef Nomi

Card got a lot of hype early because people completely underrated it before release, and it got a lot of hype because of toast and myra's unstable element. But it's just too slow for tempo rogue, and it's beaten by Achivist Elysiana in control decks, and by Mechtun in combo decks anyway

That being said legendary card quality in this expansion is quite amazing, really few legendaries are bad, and none of them are objectively terrible. The expansions where they released garbage like The Boogeymonster feels so far away.

Every expansion was good, even Gadgetzan. But most people just can't accept HS for the way it is.

So you got over 350 Gold in value, minus the cost of 150 (if you didn't use your free ticket), so you still got 200+ Gold of value and 40 Dust in 3 hours. That is bad? That is worth 75 wins roughly. Think about the time you would need for that.

I mean, arena is for another type of players that don't want some netdeck ranked gameplay the whole time and a more minion based game. 
But what dou you get from playing non arena? No value but some golden cards if you rank high enough once in a month.

I don't get your point. Why do you play this game at all if you do it for rewards?
Casual players just want much stuff for free and instant....fuck gaming communities 2k19 :)