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I'm glad that everything has worked out well for the topic starter in the end. But since he got 4 more golden legendaries (usually 1 in 200 packs) than expected average, an average dust return would have been 11200 dust lower, so any person that considers buying the same amount of packs should be wary of getting just 12k dust for their ~200$.

@Hillandder They just give me a good deal on dust :)

The entire point of this method is that you can specifically target Patches/Raza and guarantee yourself to open them and only them as your legendaries.

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http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/257-upcoming-changes-to-hearthstone-unleash-the-hounds

Sylvanas was once a 5 cost .. so she was nerfed

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What else is new? What you’re describing is completely obvious for anyone with a bit of brain activity. You’ve just realized how a nerf works combined with the no-duplicate rule. I’m actually concerned some people seem to be discovering how the game works. Makes me think that a lot of people are not even close to maximizing their money/dust management.

I’ve been « farming » golden legendaries this way since the no-dupe rule, but I’m a whale, few people are stupid/addicted enough to spend hundreds of dollars in this game.

This “trick” is far from an exploit. More precisely, you’re the one being exploited by Blizzard, whatever you do.

edit: I may sound aggressive but it makes me sick that people are actually helping Blizzard milk money out of players with half-cooked misleading posts. I understand the joy of sharing the picture of your double-legendary pack, which happens close to never and will make people buy a few more, but this post is almost dangerous. I’m 4k deep into the game and I don’t wish it to anyone, in case you’re wondering why I’m taking it almost personally.

 

Its all good, but you can probably already imagine what kind of player/person I am and I could even relate to you in some level.  I'm a huge Blizzard fanboy.  As of today, I've had an active World of Warcraft subscription for a bit over 12 years now.  I own every single expansion/DLC/cosmetic/hat/pet/mount/collector's edition/promotional event/game and pretty much whatever else you can think of when it comes to what Blizzard has to offer; with special mention to dropping a couple hundred bucks on hearthstone packs every expansion.  Between digital content and all the paraphernalia I've purchased, I've spent well over 10k in blizzard products over the past decade.

A simple WoW subscription was all I ever wanted in life growing up and was the only thing I ever asked my parents for, and I must admit that over the past decade it has almost entirely shaped who I am as a person today.  One period of time during high school however, I perhaps hit a jackpot when it came to the playing the game.  The official WoW TCG was in the stages of getting discontinued and thus Blizzard's up and coming brainchild project Hearthstone was in the works.  Not too interested at first, I only saw Hearthstone as a means to get my hands on some of the TCG in-game loot for myself before they were going to be discontinued.

Long story short, there is a pet in World of Warcraft called the Viscous Horror which at the time was sought out to be the most expensive item in the game.  I happened to get my hands on 2 of these pets out of sheer luck within the span of a single week.  I then sold each of these pets for $400 through paypal.  My friend then gave me his Hearthstone beta key and I was able to sell my own for $300 through paypal.  I went on to use this money to get good deals on some of the TCG loot, server hopped with these pets and mounts in order to flip them for even more paypal cash and/or gold which I also sold for paypal money or b.net balance.  Between buying mounts and pets for cheap, flipping them on a different server, and investing in more and more expensive items, within the span of a few months I had 6k USD in my paypal account up from essentially nothing while still having a large inventory.  Whatever money I earned during these few months would soon go back into buying Blizzard products anyways as I dumped it all into b.net balance.

My b.net balance is still loaded as of today and still all of the rare TCG pets and mounts in my inventory serve as an investment and only grow more valuable every day due to in-game inflation; and as of recently with the implementation of the WoW token and the streamlining of b.net balance across all Blizzard games, whatever digital Blizzard product I buy never comes out of my own pocket.  I can't even remember the last time I saw a charge show up for my WoW subscription.

One thing led to another and somehow my quest to obtain some of the most expensive pets and mounts in WoW eventually translated into a quest to obtain some of the coolest golden cards in Hearthstone once the game came out.  In a sense, the discontinuation of the WoW TCG may have been the most influential thing that has happened to me.  I gave the bare minimum to Blizzard when I was a child, and through Hearthstone in a weird sense Blizzard was able to indirectly give me more than I could ever imagine, whether the coolest items in WoW, Blizzard swag, or even valuable life lessons and experiences it only felt right to become their fanboy and give everything I have received back into their games in order to support them.

You seem like a decent person to share my success story with, but getting back on track it was never my intention to sell myself out to Blizzard and I truly tried to make this post as informative and accurate as possible.  I was honestly just getting sick of opening 80% trash in all of the packs I open and found that this was the best way for me to just get the meat of a new Hearthstone expansion, however slowly over time as a result of an investment

 

 I admire your dedication mate, I wish sometimes that I had so much time to spare for blizzard. I respect and I'm grateful for sharing the exploit, since you have a point if you're owner of MSoG collection. Just out of curiosity, you said you're a blizzard addict, and you gave so much to them since you love their games, why than sharing exploit with community that could hurt blizzards profit in next or future expansions?

Update added with results of 180 card pack openings.

Updated with my pack opening results.

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Sooooo this means I will have to spend a lot of money on a rotating set just to get greater amount of dust (provided I'll buy around 100 packs) just to get said dust for new expansion INSTEAD of buying packs from the new expansion to actually get the cards I need and not having to spend that dust on them?

Legit.

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Wow, this is one of the worst ideas I got offered in the last year how to spend my money. Just a close second to the nigerian prince who wants to gift me a big diamond if I just would pay for the delivery via western union. This is a money dump for a meager average 20 dust gain on a single pack. Why on earth would anyone who doesn't wipe his ass with money would consider this approach?

Okay, you could buy packs with gold. But then again, 119 dust compared to about the normal 100 dust average is a really bad investment. And if you already have all legendaries from MSoG, you likely have all the other stuff as well (maybe not all epics, but that doesn't matter). Better buy C&K to get all legendaries from this expansion.

And honestly: If someone has the money to do that stuff, he probably doesn't give shit about dust anyway.

Its 119 dust at a bare minimum which means 4 commons and a rare or legendary every 20 packs, which is actually impossible.  If you do the math, the average dust per pack via this method factoring in multiple rares, epics, golden cards, and even multiple legendaries all in a single pack is actually somewhere between 175-180.  

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/3gp7nh/average_dust_per_pack_test_470_packs_analysed/

Using these statistics I just subtracted the amount of dust received from legendaries and golden legendaries from the total dust count and added them back in after multiplying the legendary dust count factor by a factor of 4 and the golden legendary dust count by a factor of 2 before dividing it all back into dust per pack.  Did you like... not pass middle school math or something?  If you want me to read it out for you, this method of acquiring dust is almost twice as effective as the traditional method without utilizing any nerfed cards.

The average dust  is about 100 if you dust everything as it is common knowledge and also your link states.. I just took the number from your OP. I didn’t spend any more time to figure out the exact numbers as I use for considering the offer from the Nigerian prince. This is because your idea is about equal useless for the average person. Even for 200 dust per pack it is better to unpack commons, rares and epics I do not have from other packs if a full collection is my goal. Because then I get 260 dust for the worst pack. And as I said, if someone can use your "exploit", he doesn’t care anyway. I am fine with my math. It lets me realize it is not worth it.

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At a certain point when opening packs, every card you open is very likely to be a duplicate.  Just think about it - at a certain point of every expansion you're just opening 5 cards in each pack and dusting it for 1/8, 1/5, or 1/4 of its crafting value.  Doesn't matter which type of pack you open as most of the time you might as well just skip the entire pack opening process and claim your 40 dust without even wanting to bother with having to hit  the disenchant button.

Are you truly better off just aimlessly and perhaps even hopelessly dumping all of your gold and cash buying packs from a new set instead of utilizing Patches and Raza as a shortcut to get exactly what you're missing?

 The answer is yes, from a collector's/whale's perspective at least which I assume you are if you have most or all of MSG. Collectors are largely indifferent which legendaries they pull first, they have more than enough dust to craft missing cards for decks they want to play anyway. So if a random legendary is worth as much as any other, why would I bother with this "exploit" at all? Why not save the money for the next expansion, which is a much more efficient use of my ressources? If you're saving the dust for new expansions, you will trade value just 1-1 for the legendaries, but miss out from new commons/rares/epics value. You seem to completely disregard the value of pulled cards from packs that I still don't have in my collection (which is very likely 400 dust for an epic I don't have yet in comparison to a very likely 100 dust from an MSG epic).

 

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This has got to be a troll trying to target people who are bad at math.

Quote from Horkinger >>

Wow, this is one of the worst ideas I got offered in the last year how to spend my money. Just a close second to the nigerian prince who wants to gift me a big diamond if I just would pay for the delivery via western union. This is a money dump for a meager average 20 dust gain on a single pack. Why on earth would anyone who doesn't wipe his ass with money would consider this approach?

Okay, you could buy packs with gold. But then again, 119 dust compared to about the normal 100 dust average is a really bad investment. And if you already have all legendaries from MSoG, you likely have all the other stuff as well (maybe not all epics, but that doesn't matter). Better buy C&K to get all legendaries from this expansion.

And honestly: If someone has the money to do that stuff, he probably doesn't give shit about dust anyway.

Quote from Hearthole >>

What else is new? What you’re describing is completely obvious for anyone with a bit of brain activity. You’ve just realized how a nerf works combined with the no-duplicate rule. I’m actually concerned some people seem to be discovering how the game works. Makes me think that a lot of people are not even close to maximizing their money/dust management.

I’ve been « farming » golden legendaries this way since the no-dupe rule, but I’m a whale, few people are stupid/addicted enough to spend hundreds of dollars in this game.

This “trick” is far from an exploit. More precisely, you’re the one being exploited by Blizzard, whatever you do.

edit: I may sound aggressive but it makes me sick that people are actually helping Blizzard milk money out of players with half-cooked misleading posts. I understand the joy of sharing the picture of your double-legendary pack, which happens close to never and will make people buy a few more, but this post is almost dangerous. I’m 4k deep into the game and I don’t wish it to anyone, in case you’re wondering why I’m taking it almost personally.

At a certain point when opening packs, every card you open is very likely to be a duplicate.  Just think about it - at a certain point of every expansion you're just opening 5 cards in each pack and dusting it for 1/8, 1/5, or 1/4 of its crafting value.  Doesn't matter which type of pack you open as most of the time you might as well just skip the entire pack opening process and claim your 40 dust without even wanting to bother with having to hit  the disenchant button.

Are you truly better off just aimlessly and perhaps even hopelessly dumping all of your gold and cash buying packs from a new set instead of utilizing Patches and Raza as a shortcut to get exactly what you're missing?

Getting Patches or Raza is just as good as getting any other legendary of your choice.  Without a doubt it is absolutely pointless to own a complete set of Gadgetzen, but that could be said about any expansion.  With this method you can just get skip all of the pack filler and only receive the playable good cards.

Under no circumstance would you ever get "more" from opening packs from other expansions, and in fact you would get far, far less.  When has opening more and more packs ever directly translated to a surefire way to get the cards you want?  Sure at some point you will have 2 copies of every single common and rare card, but has rng ever been the preferred method of choice when obtaining the cards that you want?  The answer to that is no because dust has always been the most integral part of getting all the good cards of a set.

Why risk opening a completely useless and unplayable legendary and cashing it in for 400 dust when you could cash in on Patches/Raza for 1600 dust; as said before you're basically just trading away one outdated legendary for a fresh and new one at a 1:1 ratio.  You could just straight up exchange Patches or Raza for another legendary, 4 epics, or even 16 rares if you wanted to.

There is fault in this method though I must admit.  Why have a full Mean Streets of Gadgetzan collection when you could have a full set of a different, new, and fresh expansion?  Why get 23 Patches/Razas when you could just get all 23 legendaries of a new expansion in just the same way?  This exploit as I call it is actually just a longcut into exchanging the fruits of Gadgetzan for the fruits of another expansion at a 1:1 ratio, but the beauty of it is that its actually a shortcut to just getting only the good stuff of an expansion. 

Like I said, getting 6-7 Patches/Razas now should be more than good enough to get all of the meta-defining cards of the next expansion through crafting, whereas in a lot of cases you could buy the same amount of packs of another expansion and get a whole slew of unplayable trash legendaries.  From my own personal experience opening ~300 packs during the launch of a new expansion, after a certain point early on you already have all the commons and rares and from then on you end up just dusting them at a 4:1 ratio, its miserable getting the same epics over and over again when you're still missing the most vital ones, and the most criminal thing about pack opening rng is all of the filler legendaries out there.