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Quote from ArcyroX >>

just an FYI, for the 14th task of Wrathion, "use true form/fel reign 10 times", its not enough to use one of those abilities 10 times.

what the game actually wants you to do is play true form and then fel reign, 10 times, in that order. you cant use 10 fel reigns, you have to play both of those abilities one after the other 10 times. from another perspective, since there is no way of getting back the true form ability, you can only progress this quest 1 at a game.

 From my experience, you don't need to use Fel Reign. Just use True Form and finish the battle and the task will progress. It's problably bugged/poor worded, because Fel Reign doesn't count.

You can joke around and downvote whatever you want, but the deck's still hot garbage.

Quote from melheor >>

On a related note, should we finish all quests by tomorrow or have them carry-over into the new system to maximize gold?

 You should complete it today. All gold quests will be replaced by new ones tomorrow.

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Quote from Akird >>

Where's Shaman?  =(

 Highlander shaman works well for me..over 50% winrate.. withthe  fun in playing the deck involved.. im ok :)

 Do you mind sharing a list? I'm trying a lot of things with shaman but none of them seems to work...

Where's Shaman?  =(

Just imagine someone needing a guide to play Demon Hunter.

1 mana cast Freezing Trap on a choosen target. Yeah, that seems very balanced.

Hello, everyone. In this wall of text thread I'll show my suggestions for the Hearthstone's economy, which I think is one of the major issues with the game right now. All of the changes I'll suggest are based on the following principles:

1) In order to obtain a large collection, a player must spend money in the game, or more time than the average player.

2) A f2p structure can't inflate the price of packs. In other words, players should be able to grind a limited amount of gold each day in order to prevent Blizzard from raising the packs' price to 300 gold keep a balance in the gold economy.

In other words: the more a player invests time into the game, so he/she will be rewarded by this new system, and that the rewards have a daily/week limit.

In my opinion, the daily quests are in a preety good spot right now and doesn't need any changes, so let's begin with the Daily Wins.

Daily Wins

In my opinion, all of the flaws with the current f2p system are synthesized in the daily wins structure. For sure, a f2p player must be more dedicated than the others, but 30 wins for 100 gold is just way much. So, here's what I would change if I was in charge of the children's card game:

1 - Wins in Casual Mode and Tavern Brawl won't count towards daily wins rewards. Instead, the Tavern Brawl will have it's own reward system, which I'll explain further, and Casual is... Casual.

2 - Players will receive 5 gold per ranked win, 10 gold per Battlegrounds top 4, and 20 gold per Battlegrounds first places, with a 100 gold daily cap.

3 - For the first, third and fifth daily ranked wins, players will earn, respectively, 25,15 and 10 extra gold, for a total of 50 extra gold each day. This is based on Runeterra's extra XP for the first 3 wins.

4 - With those changes, players need to win 10 ranked games to earn 100 gold, down from the currently 30 wins needed. In addition, dedicated players can win 10 more games, for 50 more gold. This structure has diminishing returns, so the more you play, the less are the gold per win ratio. Check the table for more info:

 With this structure, Daily Wins can award the player a maximum of 18000 gold in a period of 120 days (the average period between expansions), but that will require a lot of dedication.

Tavern Brawl

Based on the Legends of Runeterra's weekly vault system, the new Tavern Brawl would have 3 treasure chests, unlocked at 1, 10 and 20 wins. Check out the reward table for more info:

 Also, I think that would be great if we had always a constructed and a non-constructed brawl per week, so that players can choose whatever one is better to them.

The most dedicated players will earn on average 48 classic packs, 2400-4000 gold, 16 arena tickets and 16 golden cards (of any of the rarities except legendary) between expansions. The ticket prize is one way of make more people lose to Twin Tyrant increase arena's popularity.

Ranked Rewards

The current rewards table will still be the default for this new reward system. Monthly ranked rewards from both Standard and Wild modes will stack. Of course, new players (ranks 50-26) won't be elegible for this, since they are P2W can't play in Wild. Just like Hearthstone Mathematics suggested, higher ranks will also award a number of packs from the most recent expansion:

Legend: 10 packs

5-1: 5 packs

10-6: 3 packs

15-11: 1 pack

You can see their suggestion here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL3JGDBa8eY&t=256s

Players will receive arcane dust based on the following formula*:

Golden cards awarded in ranked rewards can be from any set, even adventures.

This table shows how this system would work. Player A reached rank 2, 3 stars in Standard, and rank 5, 5 stars in Wild. Player B played 1 billion a lot of games and praying to RNGsus somehow, managed to reach legend in both Standard and Wild.

Achievements. Why not?

C'mon, Blizzard, even I can do that!

Well... I think that's it. What do you think about this system? Is it too much? I really think this system would improve a lot the f2p experience of the game. If I see some of these things in the upcoming Storm next week, I'll be very happy.

If you like to waste time read everything, thank you!

A new and improved economy system.

A new game mode (Tournament Mode or Faction Wars Mode);

Achievements;

Guilds! It would be amazing to have a guild system;

Arena deserves more love. Unreleased cards should be tested before the expansion drops out, so offenders like Twin Tyrant get a proper balance. Also, the rewards for the Arena should be revamped;

An Outworld themed expansion.

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Quote from ArcyroX >>

just an FYI, for the 14th task of Wrathion, "use true form/fel reign 10 times", its not enough to use one of those abilities 10 times.

what the game actually wants you to do is play true form and then fel reign, 10 times, in that order. you cant use 10 fel reigns, you have to play both of those abilities one after the other 10 times. from another perspective, since there is no way of getting back the true form ability, you can only progress this quest 1 at a game.

 From my experience, you don't need to use Fel Reign. Just use True Form and finish the battle and the task will progress. It's problably bugged/poor worded, because Fel Reign doesn't count.

 yea I was just about to correct myself, Thats true. After wroting here, I thought of that possibility and I just tested it and you are correct.

so basically the task is: "use True Form 10 times"

Quote from MrLab >>

@SinAscendant

Thank you for the maths lesson my dude. Could've done without the rudeness, but thanks none the less

 I find a little rudeness helps motivate people to actually put in the effort to do things themselves rather than ask others to do it for them. It took me ten seconds on google to find those numbers, it would have taken you the same amount of time. 

Quote from MrLab >>

So no original basic and classic cards are rotating at all?

 Can you not count?

Classic has 240 cards, Basic has 143, for a total of 383. 2nd grade math shows that means 233 basic and classic cards are being rotated out, they are leaving about 40% of the existing sets in.

"Returning to the rooots" is an interesting suggestion to handle powercreep. Not too long ago, Dean Ayala had said on Reddit (or was it Twitter?) that powercreep is inevitable to make more exciting cards. On the one hand, I disagree,  because it's all relative, and the supposed advantage of Standard is that cards rotate out and you technically don't need to push the ceiling higher and higher.

On the other hand in all fairness, it's not that easy to do either, and they kind of have a point. Which is why I think it won't happen anymore.  

They tried something like that (or at least it looked that way) in 2018. WW, BDP and RR were fairly mediocre sets, with Boomsday standing out a bit, but they were all entirely overshadowed by the previous year (JTU, KFT, KnC) along with Genn and Baku. When ROS came out, all those cards including Genn and Baku rotated, and the game was a bit more "normal" again, but even then, some people complained about the game lacking exciting big powerful cards.

Then SoU happened, and then DoD happened, and we were right back in the spiral where everything needs to be insane again. Hardly anyone took notice of the last rotation, aside from missing Zilliax and a handful of other cards. Most of 2018 was forgotten already before it left Standard. And it's not even that Ul'dum or Dragons were super ridiculous beyond any measure, they were just better than the mediocre stuff again that 2018 mostly had to offer.

This year, AoO and SA were so good, that Dragons seems just "ok" again, and MDF seems a bit underwhelming, despite being a pretty decent set overall. And once again, the stage is set for next year. Even with Classic possibly disappearing, I don't even think it will have much of an impact. Neither on the meta, nor on the powercreep issue, since Classic isn't exactly a high hanging bar anymore, and it's disappearance wouldn't allow for "weaker" cards in the current situation to have a place in the game.

If you want to mitigate powercreep, you have to start somewhere, and you have to stick with it for at least a year for a proper reset in Standard. But then you have a meta that doesn't change much for too long, and the game won't be as exciting. Why would you look forward to new releases, when it's gonna be another TGT or RR?

However, it should be noted that "power" can mean many things, like a super efficient discover or resource generator, an extremely strong swing effect, a very good heal/armor effect, a powerful board clear, etc.. The powercreep doesn't all have to go in the same direction, but can take different shapes. Tickatus is a very powerful disruptor, Archivist Elysiana is a very powerful refill. The game is getting "crazier", but not necessarily faster or more swingy.

So, I don't think powercreep is always a "bad" thing, and it depends more on the specific mechanic or shape, in which it comes.

For example I am using this deck that I made after many attempts with different archetypes of Control Shaman and it's working wonderfully! 

A 2v2 mode. I've wanted to see this implemented for a while!

Would also like a new mode called like "Seasons" mode or something, where each month you can play specific seasons where only the cards available in those seasons can be used. That would be epic. They had a Tavern Brawl like this where you could go back and play C'Thun Warrior and other awesome decks! 

A "Build Around" mode would be cool too. Where 2 players are given the same 10 (or some reasonable number) mandatory cards that MUST be included in their deck and then they get a certain amount of time to build a deck and face off against each other. It would be kind of like an anti-netdecker mode!

10g per game sounds good, as long ast hey keep the goldcap a day... 

this means that you get your 100 gold in just 10 wins... or they do 10g per 2 wins, that will be 20 games per day...

the reasoning behind the 3wins per 10 gold is to keep people playing, and keeping a healthy amount of people online for matchmaking games... the more people are playing the easier it gets to have people matched up...