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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    Quote from FortyDust >>
    Quote from AbusingKel >>
    Quote from FortyDust >>
    Quote from AbusingKel >>
    I consider their statement that PvE content would be free as an undertaking that they've now gone back on. Go ahead and check your dictionary again to see if that fits before you argue based on partial definitions. I'm done trying to help you see my point when you seem more interested in having an internet argument.

     PvE content was free. Promise fulfilled. They never said or implied it would be that way forever.

    In fact, every time they discussed the shift to free missions (the first free adventures in KFT were called "missions"), it was made very clear that they were talking specifically about something new they were trying for the Year of the Mammoth, with no mention of how things might work in future years.

    You will probably feel less betrayed in your future dealings if you learn that "forever" is never a given. It is something that must be explicitly stated.

    You are adorable. The first line of argument falls apart because you choose to use a narrow definition of a word as the entire premise and get called on it. So now it's time to change gears and use words I haven't used like "betrayed" and shift to explaining the meaning of the word "forever" as though that is now the word I don't understand.  

    And then you follow it up by presenting a completely speculative narrative about Blizzard needing to charge for them in order to stay in business. Seems to me they stayed in business just fine while offering the last few PvE installations at no charge. But sure, now they have to choose between two options:  "stop making them" or charge us, for which we should all be grateful that they didn't kill the content entirely, and rejoice in our ability to open our wallets. 

    Quote from FortyDust >>

    This product certainly wasn't free for Blizzard to produce. If you think it was, or that the cost at their end was negligible, you are ignorant beyond measure. If you do understand what it costs them to make these adventures, I have to wonder how you expect them to stay in business if they give it all away.

    Do you suppose free adventures drive more card sales? I'm sure that was the hope when they first offered free adventures. I'm also sure they have more data than you on whether or not that turned out to be true. My guess is that there was almost NO uptick in card sales due to the free adventures. In other words, Blizzard wasn't getting enough in return to justify the production costs. So it's not greedy of them to start charging; it would be stupid to keep giving away adventures for free. The only other sensible option is to stop making them.

    Given the choice between paid adventures and no adventures at all, I'll take the paid ones, thanks.

    Circular logic, false facts, guesses, and conjecture. But sure, go ahead and keep telling other people how they don't understand words and are ignorant. I imagine that's much easier than being honest with the face in the mirror.

     You can't prove Blizzard is motivated by pure evil any more than I can prove that they would stop making adventures if they didn't charge for them. But at least my explanation is plausible. Yours is just childish. Blizzard is not a charity. If a venture isn't making money, it's going to be looked at and very likely cut. Period.

    Can you give any reason why they SHOULD keep making adventures and not charge for them? It really doesn't make any sense at all. (Keep in mind, your personal happiness will not pay their employees' salaries.)

    My definition of "renege" is not narrow. It is THE definition, and the entire one. It means "to go back on a promise." And that, by its very nature, implies a betrayal. You don't get to change the meanings of words just because your arguments stop making sense when they are scrutinized.

    Again you put words in my mouth I've never said. I am not "vilifying" Blizzard and have never once called them evil so I have no need to prove that. Frankly, I don't have to prove anything since all I've offered is my opinion.

    Again you resort to name calling. Everyone with a different opinion has that opinion over-exaggerated by you so you can then call them childish, ignorant, or some other name. I can only hope you'll find a way to be a better poster on OOC. 

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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    Quote from FortyDust >>
    Quote from AbusingKel >>
    I consider their statement that PvE content would be free as an undertaking that they've now gone back on. Go ahead and check your dictionary again to see if that fits before you argue based on partial definitions. I'm done trying to help you see my point when you seem more interested in having an internet argument.

     PvE content was free. Promise fulfilled. They never said or implied it would be that way forever.

    In fact, every time they discussed the shift to free missions (the first free adventures in KFT were called "missions"), it was made very clear that they were talking specifically about something new they were trying for the Year of the Mammoth, with no mention of how things might work in future years.

    You will probably feel less betrayed in your future dealings if you learn that "forever" is never a given. It is something that must be explicitly stated.

    You are adorable. The first line of argument falls apart because you choose to use a narrow definition of a word as the entire premise and get called on it. So now it's time to change gears and use words I haven't used like "betrayed" and shift to explaining the meaning of the word "forever" as though that is now the word I don't understand.  

    And then you follow it up by presenting a completely speculative narrative about Blizzard needing to charge for them in order to stay in business. Seems to me they stayed in business just fine while offering the last few PvE installations at no charge. But sure, now they have to choose between two options:  "stop making them" or charge us, for which we should all be grateful that they didn't kill the content entirely, and rejoice in our ability to open our wallets. 

    Quote from FortyDust >>

    This product certainly wasn't free for Blizzard to produce. If you think it was, or that the cost at their end was negligible, you are ignorant beyond measure. If you do understand what it costs them to make these adventures, I have to wonder how you expect them to stay in business if they give it all away.

    Do you suppose free adventures drive more card sales? I'm sure that was the hope when they first offered free adventures. I'm also sure they have more data than you on whether or not that turned out to be true. My guess is that there was almost NO uptick in card sales due to the free adventures. In other words, Blizzard wasn't getting enough in return to justify the production costs. So it's not greedy of them to start charging; it would be stupid to keep giving away adventures for free. The only other sensible option is to stop making them.

    Given the choice between paid adventures and no adventures at all, I'll take the paid ones, thanks.

    Circular logic, false facts, guesses, and conjecture. But sure, go ahead and keep telling other people how they don't understand words and are ignorant. I imagine that's much easier than being honest with the face in the mirror.

     

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    posted a message on Farewell HearthPwn...

    As a few have mentioned already, it was basically a buy-out, followed by another buy-out (and maybe another? I've lost track lol) with the final one being a buy-out with the intent to kill. :(

    This article popped up on my feed yesterday. Good look at how it got to this point. 

    https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/8289/after-six-years-of-service-popular-deckbuilding-site-hearthpwn-is-closing-its-doors

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    posted a message on The HearthPwn Tavern Is Closing Its Doors

    This article popped up on my feed yesterday. Good look at how it got to this point. 

    https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/8289/after-six-years-of-service-popular-deckbuilding-site-hearthpwn-is-closing-its-doors

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    posted a message on Thank you all the wonderful people at Hearthpwn

    Awesome idea and great execution! Thanks for your work. They are definitely on point. I love that Flux discovers lackeys... lmao.

    As Sinti said, that Kel card is spot on. The vast majority of my thread locks were redirects to the Arena Rewards Megathread, Looking for HS Friends?, and 80g Trading threads. 

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    posted a message on Arena Rotation June 3rd, big update, free arena ticket

    So Pal can draw those 1 attack murlocs cheaper with Crystology, filling the hand for the cheaper buff by Glowstone Technician, poop out more with Murloc Knight.... hang on, I need to go see if Silver Sword is rotating before the panic attack causes me to pass out. lol

    EDIT: phew.... it's out :D

     

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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    I consider their statement that PvE content would be free as an undertaking that they've now gone back on. Go ahead and check your dictionary again to see if that fits before you argue based on partial definitions. I'm done trying to help you see my point when you seem more interested in having an internet argument.
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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    Quote from Horkinger >>
    Quote from AbusingKel >>
    Quote from DarkArchon21 >>

    If you guys can remember back far enough when Blizzard announced they would be switching to full expansion releases instead of rotating between expansion and adventure they originally stated that the adventure (single player content) would be INCLUDED with the expansions.

    Now they are hacking off adventure content so they can once again be charging for expansion and adventure modes. Except this time the adventures don't even introduce new cards. This is straight up and intentional double dipping screwing customers. The original content release format would have 3 new releases per year rotating between adventure/expansion, now that number is increased to 6 times customers are charged.

    It's fitting that they call this a Heist because that's exactly what this is.

    This is completely on point. The PvE content that was supposed to be included as a free portion of each new expansion has been removed. It was popular so they've hit it with steroids and a price tag. Douche move. Had they rolled out a similar dungeon run/monster hunt freebie and also offered a new game mode that required payment, I would not have an issue with it. Instead, what they've done is completely reneged so they can, as you so aptly put it, double dip. 

     

     Imagine the free mode would look like the first wing. And that the paid content would look like the 2nd to 5th wing.

    Does it feel better or is the truth that you still would've an issue with it?

    I would, in fact, have to imagine that, because the Dungeon Run and Monster Hunt were both more robust than the first wing of the current paid adventure.

     

    Quote from FortyDust >>
    Quote from AbusingKel >>
    Quote from DarkArchon21 >>

    If you guys can remember back far enough when Blizzard announced they would be switching to full expansion releases instead of rotating between expansion and adventure they originally stated that the adventure (single player content) would be INCLUDED with the expansions.

    Now they are hacking off adventure content so they can once again be charging for expansion and adventure modes. Except this time the adventures don't even introduce new cards. This is straight up and intentional double dipping screwing customers. The original content release format would have 3 new releases per year rotating between adventure/expansion, now that number is increased to 6 times customers are charged.

    It's fitting that they call this a Heist because that's exactly what this is.

    This is completely on point. The PvE content that was supposed to be included as a free portion of each new expansion has been removed. It was popular so they've hit it with steroids and a price tag. Douche move. Had they rolled out a similar dungeon run/monster hunt freebie and also offered a new game mode that required payment, I would not have an issue with it. Instead, what they've done is completely reneged so they can, as you so aptly put it, double dip. 

     I think I must have missed something. Can you please point to the part of that announcement that says, "This is how things will be until the end of time, we promise on our mothers' souls and sign in blood"?

    You don't seem too interested in holding them to the original model, where they charged for the adventure AND locked playable cards behind the paywall. Why isn't that announcement ironclad and forever binding?

    Is it because their words only count as promises when it's in your best interest?

    We both know there is no part of the announcement that says that. 

    I would pay for the original model for the solo content AND locked playable cards if they went back to that. 

    I don't consider any of the things they say as "promises" regardless of my interests. 

    I have, in regards to what I see as "pseudo-new-content" with this PvE, voted with my wallet by not buying it. I will continue to do so by not purchasing pre-order bundles in the future until I see development work I consider worthy of my money again.

    Frankly, there seems to be a vast difference between what I'm saying vs. what you seem to think I'm saying. 

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    posted a message on Clockwork Card Dealer - Standard - Tavern Brawl #206

    I was having an incredibly fun time with a dragon pal deck that produced some massive, buffed dragons. Sadly, that was yesterday. Now it's day 2 and the matchups are all mech hunter, summoner mage, and aggro rogue. Yogg help us... the player base sure knows how to suck the fun out of this game. D:

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    posted a message on Is there a problem if...?

    It's a problem if it's able to do so consistently like pirate warrior could prior to STB nerf. Druid needs some serious luck to get that type of win. 

    This reads like a salt post, so it should be posted in the salt thread

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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    Quote from DarkArchon21 >>

    If you guys can remember back far enough when Blizzard announced they would be switching to full expansion releases instead of rotating between expansion and adventure they originally stated that the adventure (single player content) would be INCLUDED with the expansions.

    Now they are hacking off adventure content so they can once again be charging for expansion and adventure modes. Except this time the adventures don't even introduce new cards. This is straight up and intentional double dipping screwing customers. The original content release format would have 3 new releases per year rotating between adventure/expansion, now that number is increased to 6 times customers are charged.

    It's fitting that they call this a Heist because that's exactly what this is.

    This is completely on point. The PvE content that was supposed to be included as a free portion of each new expansion has been removed. It was popular so they've hit it with steroids and a price tag. Douche move. Had they rolled out a similar dungeon run/monster hunt freebie and also offered a new game mode that required payment, I would not have an issue with it. Instead, what they've done is completely reneged so they can, as you so aptly put it, double dip. 

     

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    posted a message on All Classic Legendaries!!

    Classic legendaries have been nerfed but they were generally done during vanilla days. Leeroy, Tinkmaster, Nat, among others... it's less likely any will get nerfed moving forward. Still, if you don't need the cards or the dust, you could hold those packs and dust a newly nerfed legendary minion. You would only get that IF you opened a pack with a legendary in it, thanks to the no dupe rule. 

     

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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    Quote from Holy8Beast >>
    Quote from Legendarias >>
    Quote from Tyrano12 >>

    Totally ridiculous.  People buy card packs every day, the standard price for 15 packs is $20.  So now with the Dalaran Heist release if you buy 15 packs you get:  

    - The 15 packs you paid for

     PLUS

    - A FREE golden legendary 

    - A FREE Hearthstone Adventure

    - 2 FREE exclusive card backs

    Still not sold..?  Fine, you win.  Wait until the sale is over and buy 15 packs (without the perks) like you normally would.  That’ll show ‘em.  

     DId you know we got free PvE content in the last expansions? How can you be eager to pay 20 bucks for the same thing we got for free in the past? Man, you must be a genious, because apparently you can see something that i'm missing! Congratulations :)

     Check out this guy with no appreciation to the free content we got....because making content is totally not time consuming for the developers. Heck it's just as easy as sitting on my ass and letting out some farts. *slow clap*

    Making changes (nerfs, bug fixes, etc.) is time consuming for the developers, as well. So let's all rejoice and fork over $1 USD each for the next patch. 

    Again, the heist is not really new content. I don't see how a few changes to the existing model warrant a price tag. 

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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    Quote from user-100399199 >>
    Quote from AbusingKel >>
    Quote from user-100399199 >>

    What's with all these poor people in this thread? 20$ is nothing..

    The affordability of the content has not been part of any argument in this thread. 

     A lot of people have been crying about paywall or whatever. 20$ isn't even much I spend ten times that much every day

    Paywall does not mean "too expensive" to purchase. It's simply the fact that previous content (Dungeon Runs, Monster Hunt, Puzzle Lab) was free. With this expac, similar PvE content MUST be purchased. It's the principle, not the monetary cost. 

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    posted a message on Dalaran Heist is a bummer
    Quote from user-100399199 >>

    What's with all these poor people in this thread? 20$ is nothing..

    The affordability of the content has not been part of any argument in this thread. 

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