Hearthpwn

Either up the cost of the spell cast in return, e.g.

Or restrict the trigger for the secret, e.g.

Whenever your opponent plays a spell that costs 3 or less (...)
Whenever your opponent plays a spell that costs 3 or more (...)

The first one in theory can make playing a spell into it still worth it, though the balance is difficult here. At 1 mana more Yogg still feels powerful, the resulting spell still most likely will be garbage, inconsequential to the game state. At 2 mana more Yogg becomes a questionable inclusion in a deck, because it can present a serious tempo swing for the opponent or an opportunity to gain a lot of value.

The second one I feel is the better approach. Yogg no longer counters the whole spectrum of spells and while it still is powerful, there are spells that escape its effect, therefore it becomes less valuable in some situations and against some decks. 

"A while back" is the key here. I don't think they can continue on without printing effects like this. Besides, it's healthy - there are more and more hand-related mechanics that the opponent has no interaction with.

Though, I do agree, this card looks broken - the aspect of opponent redrawing just 4 cards, even if they have a full hand, needs to go. If it weren't for that, this would have been an extra interesting and very deep card, that can be used in loads of cool ways. As it stands, it looks like a no-brainer auto-play in many games.

Looks like lackeys aren't going away anytime soon...

176 packs
7 legendaries, no golden ones
Got my first leg in the 10th pack, and then 3 times I had to wait for 38 packs to open a leg.
I was regreting the prepurchase just before the expansion launched - it feels really underwhelming and frankly boring. The ladder experience recently was terrible - even worse than usual.
And after this... I don't even feel like playing the game.

Derpxar

They are selling singles, it's called crafting and it's pretty expensive, so they don't put the price upfront.

This would still be viable in face decks, and pretty much unplayable in any other.

The other way is to reduce cost for every enemy minion you kill - this incentives trading and removal - not going face and makes it still viable in slower decks that use either aoe or weapons as removal - it makes the card a snowball card, but not a face card.

Third way is to make the discount work on your turns only - you have to be the one doing the trading. Again this would remove the face aspect of the card.

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The reason I feel like Bonemare is ok is not that I would not agree - Yes it is too strong - but rather that it is a very good common card (like Cobalt Scalebane).

Itwould be unhealthy for the game if there were no good cheap cards. If you can only compete by getting literally at least 5 Priest Legendarys (Raza, Kazakus, Lyra, SR Anduin, Prophet V) then the game is not in a good state considering it is a Free to Play game. So I agree that Bonemarecould use a nerf, but please nerf Shadowreaper Anduin and Bloodreaver Gul'dan alongside it...

* Before anybody judges me - I started off as a F2P near the end of closed beta, started buying packs around TGT (one pre-purchase lot per expansion), and stopped paying with KFT, cause the expansion looked sh*t - and what do you know, it turned out it is. Not very excited about the next one either and probably Blizz won't see a dollar from me any time soon.

Actually it would be very healthy for the game if top decks required loads of high-dust cards with commons and rares being just cheap replacements. People would have to be a bit more inventive - sure there would be F2P netdecking, but you would have different experience at different tiers of the ladder and overall you would face a wider variety of decks as well. Not to mention there would be a higher variety in the decklists between players. Finally your collection would feel that much more personal and worth something, while now my collection feels pretty meh just as all of Hearthstone.

To put it simpler - Expensive decks mean you are having fun at every level of play and how much you pay just determines where you compete.  Inexpensive decks mean that everybody's playing the exact same sh*t over and over, you don't get to have fun and you still pay something to get the basic experience. Your rank is determined by your endurance - how much time you are willing to spend not having fun with the game.

Concerning Bonemare - terrible card, along with Keleseth and Scalebane it's messing up the meta. The card isn't broken because it's broken - it's not about the effect or the strength, it's broken because it's 7-mana.

The card is too good and too impactful when played, to just ignore it in an aggressive list, but at the same time it's a situational 7-mana card - many times you will lose the game by drawing this in the early turns. And it would be fine if the rest of the aggro curve ended below 5 mana. The thing is most Rogues and Warlocks - current kings of aggro - run 8 to 12 cards that are 5 mana and above - that basically turns Herthstone into a glorified slot machine. If you draw your heavy cards early on - you won't build a board and you will lose. If you'll draw them too late, you'll lose the board and you'll lose the game. You draw them at the right time and your opponent has to gg.

That's not Wizard Poker. That's Wizard Solitaire. Your only agency as the player is guessing the order in which the cards are dealt. No player interaction, no means to manouver around a bad hand - just drawing cards and seeing if they fit the curve. This is worse than anything I've experienced in Hearthstone. But I predict that we'll reach a new low with the next expansion.

 I can somehow get behind the argumentation of the first half of your post - there are upsides to very expensive strong cards it even though free to plays would cry in pain and anger... But you are way too negative about the state of the game. There are strong non-meta decks that you can play. No need for Bonemare all day long if you dislike it. I got to Legend with a Mill-Warlock last season (and up to rank 3 with a Inner Fire Priest) -> both without bone mare or scalebane. People are just on average not very creative. There is still room to explore!!! Especially in wild!

The one point where I completely disagree is the part about the no skill curve thing: A Curve-Intense meta is actually way more skill intense than one where most cards have a similar cost... Starting like turn 4 you have to think about how to use your resources in the following turns for a good power play turn 6 - in order to setup a clear or your own bone mare maybe... With curve-intense decks you gotta play way more around their possible best play, than vs a zoo deck full of 1-3 drops...

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The reason I feel like Bonemare is ok is not that I would not agree - Yes it is too strong - but rather that it is a very good common card (like Cobalt Scalebane).

Itwould be unhealthy for the game if there were no good cheap cards. If you can only compete by getting literally at least 5 Priest Legendarys (Raza, Kazakus, Lyra, SR Anduin, Prophet V) then the game is not in a good state considering it is a Free to Play game. So I agree that Bonemarecould use a nerf, but please nerf Shadowreaper Anduin and Bloodreaver Gul'dan alongside it...

Innervate & Spreading Plague
Jade Druid - still killer, though a lot less on the broken side
Aggro Druid - innervate hits this one very hard, but the deck might still be viable, though something will probably take over
Might be sufficient, but I'm not all that sure.

Warleader
Murloc Paladin - still killer, though harder to snowball
Good nerf.

Fiery War Axe
Control Warrior cares, Face Warrior doesn't.
Still the nerf sounds fine.

Hex
Hey, what's that one card that sees less play in a class that sees less play? Hex? How about we nerf it?
On one hand that card felt a bit op, on the other now it's as useful as polymorph and I haven't seen that card in a deck for a long, looooong time.

Lovely soliloquy...but nobody cares.

This post belongs in the salt thread.

So are you a control player mad that you die before your boring deck takes over, or a meme player who's mad you can't get your combo off?

Those are usually the main reasons someone QQ's over aggro.

The only reason to invite someone to an invitational is to get more viewers. Invitationals are not charity, neither they are sports events. Blizzard picks streamers who will bring their audiences to the tournament.

But honestly, I believe that Zeddy will now attack anything related to Hearthstone. It looks very much like he wants to take the niche of a content creator who does nothing but unloads tons of negativity on a franchise\company. It attracts a certain kind of audience.

every meta is the worst meta :)

lol no, mtg pirate warrior and KotfT Jade druid metas were faaaar worse

as for the rest of the post:

the last few months into an epansion are always the most boring ones as there are almost no new decks(with a few exceptions like heal zoo) and the existing ones are so even that you can't really nerf any of them. The only way to change that is by releasing more cards, but even that barely changes the meta.

I love how your first example of a card that is OP is Skeletal Dragon. lol

Having damaged minions requires a lot more setup than just having minions so the card is fine.

BTW Mogu would have been fine at 7 in any other class, so its not really fair to compare these cards.

That definitely required another thread! Apart from that, anything new?

Great, thanks for letting us know 

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If you have no star bonus and you are matched exclusively on MMR, you have only one chance to climb:

Tank your MMR enough so that you can farm worse players for 15 extra wins to reach legend. All other approaches will leave you with a ≈50% winrate and you will stay at Diamond 5 forever.

If Blizzard really implemented it that way, it is ********, because your best way to reach legend is to intentionally lose, something that should be avoided at all costs in games for obvious reasons.

Why would all other approaches leave you at 50%? Honestly some of the logic in this thread is ridiculous and hilarious. Just spouting out made up rubbish to support your flawed argument. If you tweak your deck to counter the meta successfully, you won't be at 50%. Enjoy tanking your mmr with losses though, you'll realise it's counter productive. 

It's been said already but to reiterate: The reason you are meeting legend players generally is because they can't outrank from legend and have a negative win/loss ratio since getting there. This means that they are on a downward trend (possibly because of also playing fun decks) and its therefore TO YOUR ADVANTAGE to meet these players; rather than another D1 player who is trying hard to win. It's a completely pointless thread you're complaining about something that is more likely to be beneficial to you. It's also completely reasonable that to get legend, you should be able to beat or compete with other legend players.