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yeah, I am incredibly disappointed by how useless the 'full stats' are.  they should really have called it 'some useless stats' since they are nowhere close to 'full'.

have not been able to find a tracker either.  hsreplay has some in game overlays, but won't record the results.  if there was a $5 in game add on that actually gave 'full stats' i would instant purchase.

If I am a priest, and holding a bunch of priest cards, and a single Vendetta, how much should it cost?

This seems like half a res priest deck, and half a otk priest deck.  i would say pick one or the other, and gear the deck towards that strategy.

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I mean the meta is still kind of new and evolving but some cards being played really and some not just confirm some people theories..

And we have some stats with a decent sample size.

Also some people here sure want to brag about your good predictions, cards you didn't rate dust and became meta defining or cards that everyone hyped out and turn out to be bad..

Of course I am not encouraging any name calling, or flaming it's mostly for learning experience mostly or just a feels good moment when you predict something correctly when everyone else was wrong.

I will start I have a few:

Oblivitron- EVERYONE called this card garbage but guess what? it's in a tier 2 deck currently of mech hunter, and it's a high win rate card in that deck.

Chef Nomi - I said it's bad was overhyped by a mile I looked at the stats and WHILE it's played in a currently tier 1 deck according to a sample size of 40K games it's the WORST card in the deck even when played. it's not bad.. but it's not OMG INSANE as some people thought.

Togwaggle's Scheme - shuffling cards is a low tempo and low short term value play hence it's bad and the highest WR deck with this card is 45% also pogo is the worst deck currently in the data.

I will also state a weak prediction of mine, I though silence priest is gonna be insane, turns out it's not it's just a deck that feels bad, you need both the silence stuff and the minions at the same time and it mostly doesn't work the cards don't work well without the other card and it's just a recipe for a clunky deck (played the deck and it's how it felt, also the win rate tells on that).

 I'd say it's a bit early.  Nomi and Tog Scheme are gimmicky cards, so people are having fun with them right now.

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Finally, a Legendary minion generator that I like! 

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So I am playing Odd Aggro Mage (yes hate away but climbing to 5 b4 I can play other decks). The thing is I opened a subject 9 (wasnt gonna really craft him), and I decided to tinker with the deck and add subject 9 + mirror entity  instead of two nightblades. Immediately on a win steak from 10 to 5.

Now my question is if you ever felt like certain cards show up exactly on the turn they are supposed to be played. I mean I always drew Subject 9 either on turn 4 or turn 5! And he skyrockets my win rate. Do you feel blizzard secretly weight in more chance for certain cards to be drawn?

Im sorry I dont have videos to prove this but it was really weird and my win rate backs it up.

 There really needs to be a rigged RNG sub forum

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Love it because, outside of maaaaybe Black Cat, none of the odd/even support cards were ever going to see play. This way we at least get the dust refund.

 

BIZZ BEING GENEROUS GUYS OMG.

 Eel saw lots of play

Another problem is it makes games wall-clock slow.  It's 2 discoveries every turn your opponent has to think about.  So grindingly slow.

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hmm oke thanks for your explanation. To include both preps I can cut brann and maybe dancing swords or explosive sheeps?

 

 

 probably, especially the sheeps.  I wouldn't want it in my deathrattle res pool.  Deathlords get them closer to fatigue, and disrupt combos

I play this deck and I cut Brann.  Rarely does he win the game for you, he is usually just a win more card.  After countless games just playing him for tempo I realized I should just replace him.

Keep deathlords, you just can't play them vs big priest.  Nothing else really helps you vs big priest.  You just have to hope they roll Obsidians.  Anything else you must sap.  If Rag gets in the res pool, it's gg, but that's a high roll deck for you.  Obsidians are too slow against mill, but many Big Priest players are happy to waste their res on it.

Also, where are the preps?  Preps are insanely useful.  If you want to mill important cards, prep-vanish the trash on the board, then coldlight.  If you want to clear the board, coldlight them to 10 cards, then prep-vanish.

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Following the recent nerfs I wanted to open a public discussion on the "Nuke It From Orbit" approach to balance, rework, and changes in games: specifically Hearthstone. How do you all feel about cards that get nerfed so hard they stop seeing play for any time whatsoever? The most recent and specific example is the change to Mana Wyrm, however, research and effort could pull data on older nerfs that gave similar  (or worse) treatment to other cards. Personally, I don't feel some of the cards have been treated justice in nerfs, and this most recent card adjustment was finally enough for me to raise the question publicly. Thoughts and feedback?

Cheaper cards are harder to re-balance, since a change of 1 stat/mana is a much larger percentage.

Will Magic have Leagues?  Or is that coming "next quarter" ?

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand for 8 turns in a row i never get to discover a mech.  meanwhile, here's bigger and bigger threats for hunter to close out the game. 

gg blizzard.  don't fucking tell me the hunter dk is balanced.

You took the hunter to fatigue (something I stated control warrior was able to do in our other thread). Considering by your screenshot that you really only barely lost (the hunter has almost no cards and the same goes for their board) I'd say yes against the correct control deck Rexxar is fairly balanced.

 Why the FUCK are you trying to be logical in the salt thread? Just let him be fucking salty, god dam. 

It is because he doesn't just vent salt but uses the salt thread for miniature soap boxes that really should just be posted in its own forum thread, not the salt thread.

Trying to push an agenda or spew BS about perfect plays or legimately trying to say that a particular match-up is honestly unwinnable =/= on topic salt / vent posts. I'd much rather see the thread used for just salt and not trying to start up mini threads about topics that would be much more relevant for general discussion, deckbuilding, standard, or the wild sub-forums.

Should it be posted in a Rexxar thread?

 

This is what happens when he posts there:

https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/223206-rexxar-dk-is-too-much?page=10

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just lost with a solid midrange deck to this single card.  you are completely in denial if you dont see how problematic this card is.

This seems more like a post for the salt thread rather than specifically balancing Rexxar, losing one game against Rexxar (even if it was an unfavored match-up for you) doesn't equate into the card being problematic.

 

 

 

 

Well to be fair, in the Rexxar thread when his arguments were all shot down he resorted to posting what is more relevant to be posted in this salt thread, but posted it in the Rexxar thread (ie Posting single games and venting about said games) to somehow use those specific games to make a point.

Then when posting here posts are made like this one on page 460 of the salty thread "you are an idiot if you dont hink the hunter DK needs to be nerfed". This is btw almost right after losing the argument made in the Rexxar thread you just referenced in your post. 

Pretty much the salt thread has been so messed up at this point that it just feels like a miniature general discussion sub-forum by itself instead of actually being used because for complaining about things like specific games with bad rng or an annoying opponent.

It feels like the salt thread is slowly turning into a 'How Blizzard should balance their games and this is why I think so' type of thread.

 Ok, that's a fair point.  I don't think there will be much success policing the salt thread though.  Let folks blow off their steam, and just treat it as a write-only thread.

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand for 8 turns in a row i never get to discover a mech.  meanwhile, here's bigger and bigger threats for hunter to close out the game. 

gg blizzard.  don't fucking tell me the hunter dk is balanced.

You took the hunter to fatigue (something I stated control warrior was able to do in our other thread). Considering by your screenshot that you really only barely lost (the hunter has almost no cards and the same goes for their board) I'd say yes against the correct control deck Rexxar is fairly balanced.

 Why the FUCK are you trying to be logical in the salt thread? Just let him be fucking salty, god dam. 

It is because he doesn't just vent salt but uses the salt thread for miniature soap boxes that really should just be posted in its own forum thread, not the salt thread.

Trying to push an agenda or spew BS about perfect plays or legimately trying to say that a particular match-up is honestly unwinnable =/= on topic salt / vent posts. I'd much rather see the thread used for just salt and not trying to start up mini threads about topics that would be much more relevant for general discussion, deckbuilding, standard, or the wild sub-forums.

Should it be posted in a Rexxar thread?

This is what happens when he posts there:

https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/223206-rexxar-dk-is-too-much?page=10

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just lost with a solid midrange deck to this single card.  you are completely in denial if you dont see how problematic this card is.

This seems more like a post for the salt thread rather than specifically balancing Rexxar, losing one game against Rexxar (even if it was an unfavored match-up for you) doesn't equate into the card being problematic.

 

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand for 8 turns in a row i never get to discover a mech.  meanwhile, here's bigger and bigger threats for hunter to close out the game. 

gg blizzard.  don't fucking tell me the hunter dk is balanced.

You took the hunter to fatigue (something I stated control warrior was able to do in our other thread). Considering by your screenshot that you really only barely lost (the hunter has almost no cards and the same goes for their board) I'd say yes against the correct control deck Rexxar is fairly balanced.

 I've never beaten Hunter with Control Warrior, and it's exclusively because of the DK.  It doesn't matter how big your board is, what your life total is, what theirs is, how many cards in hand. 

You are in complete denial.

Should I link you countless videos of Brian Kibler, Thyjs, Trump, Savjz, and others beating Rexxar with Control Warrior now or later?

I guess pro players who get to legend every month and play the game for a living must be in complete denial too. 

I assume this is the Brian Kibler link you're talking about?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9yZLiM_tiM