I think he is definitly correct concerning Ice BlockGadgetzan Auctioneer and Alexstrasza because they have been around for a long time and usually resulted in similiar types of decks.
One card I strongly disagree on is Wild Growth partly because some ramp cards will be moved to wild at the start of the new HS year and partly because I dont think that they are going to touch basic cards yet (if they intended to do so, they probably wouldn't have nerfed Fiery War Axe but moved it to the hall of fame as well).
Sorcerer's Apprentice seems to be quiet a stretch as well since most combos in mage would rely on an active Ice Block beeing in play. Without it mage is currently way to vulnerable over multiple turns.
The only other card I can currently think of that might be rotated additionally is Ysera. It might be a stretch but it is still a very powerfull late game minion and will always be considered if you are trying to have a strong lategame line-up (especially at the current meta when you play against priest in the lategame and anything below 5 attack is pretty dam valuable).
So what do you think? Any cards you believe will be hall of famed soon?
Alexstrasza was my first golden legendary, so I'd be sad to see her rotated out. I know a lot of people seem to not like her though. And I guess I'd get 3200 dust.
I don't really understand the Sea Giant or even Wild Growth being rotated. I've never really thought of Sea Giant as one of the more powerful giants. I thought Arcane Giant was one of the better ones, but that's getting rotated anyways. And Wild Growth is actually really key to the identity of Druid I thought. I guess they'd be able to create more ramp cards (including battlecry/deathrattle minions).
I would actually like to see Divine Favor rotated. It can be so frustrating to play against an aggro pally (hell, any pally really) and let them draw like 6 cards for 3 mana. I wouldn't mind seeing its mana cost increased to like 5 maybe. Just nerf it into the ground. Paladin needs more reliable card draw if they're going to rotate that.
I've always been one of the few people who are fine with ice block. Just play around it. I think it would have been better if Ice Block had the effect of Evasion haha, but it's a bit late for that.
Alexstrasza was my first golden legendary, so I'd be sad to see her rotated out. I know a lot of people seem to not like her though. And I guess I'd get 3200 dust.
I don't really understand the Sea Giant or even Wild Growth being rotated. I've never really thought of Sea Giant as one of the more powerful giants. I thought Arcane Giant was one of the better ones, but that's getting rotated anyways. And Wild Growth is actually really key to the identity of Druid I thought. I guess they'd be able to create more ramp cards (including battlecry/deathrattle minions).
I would actually like to see Divine Favor rotated. It can be so frustrating to play against an aggro pally (hell, any pally really) and let them draw like 6 cards for 3 mana. I wouldn't mind seeing its mana cost increased to like 5 maybe. Just nerf it into the ground. Paladin needs more reliable card draw if they're going to rotate that.
I've always been one of the few people who are fine with ice block. Just play around it. I think it would have been better if Ice Block had the effect of Evasion haha, but it's a bit late for that.
Yeah the reasoning for Sea Giant is beyond me as well. Divine Favor is seeing play occasionally but I dont think it is that problematic if they dont intend to kill the aggro priest archtype.
I'd have my worries over Alexstraza going and I don't see any reason for Storm Giant going. I don't for one moment buy into the argument that says a card should be slung into the Hall of Fame because it's old. I can't say I've committed the every meta to memory but I don't see her being so oppressively present in every deck that she needs to be removed.
The Classic set is the fulcrum on which the concept of standard is built. We lost two legendary cards last year in the form of Ragnaros and Sylvanas, five if you consider Elite Tauren Chieftain, Old Murk-Eye and Gelbin Mekkatorque who all say in the Reward Set. Stripping away cards from classic.....yeah.....might as well come up with a new model and get rid of wild as eventually the diminishing returns will make the game unplayable.
Or would Blizzard be advised to consider making additions to the Classic set? I think I recall some speculation / clamour for Reno to be added to Classic.
I DO agree with moving cards if they're oppressive and are permanent additions. Sylvanas and Ragnaros fell into this category
I DO NOT agree with moving cards to WIld / HoF so that Blizzard can exploit that mechanism on a repeat basis for financial, it's just a insult to the customer. Removing Ysera and then adding the same type of card per expansion (like the Lich King on KotFT) strikes me as a double negative.
I'm on the fence with the argument that permanent cards "limit the design space." I treat this view cynically somewhat but as I'm not a card designer or a Blizzard employee, I appreciate I can't really speak to this
Stonetusk boar has the issue of being a 1 mana charger so it’s always in danger of being a combo enabler. See: quest rogue. Not an OP deck by any means but shows just how powerful a 1 mana charger can be in certain situations.
Kripp makes a lot of videos only for increase viewers saying a lot of things that are not true, or saying things that are totally random. Blizzard said that tough in the rotation out for [card]Gadgetzan Auctioneer[/card] but after also said that Gadgetzan will not rotate out. Kripp knows for sure that Blizzard expressly said that [card]Gadgetzan Auctioneer[/card] will not rotate out. It seems that this video is under the totally random stuffs only for make viewers. It is a video were is saying the cards that he doesn't like. Irrelevant.
Did they really say that? Could you send me a source? I completely missed that xD
I am really sick of seeing every playable classic card mentioned to go hof. How can cards like Alex or Ysera be candidates while they are literally not played in any good deck. They are not even close to be problematic. Problematic ones are power creeps released expansion after expansion(creeper,bonemare etc.) . Guess people just want to get rid of any playable classic card for some reason.
And about kripp,someone who only plays arena talking about which cards should rotate. Yeah he definitely doesnt talk bs right. I mean sea giant? are you fucking serious? i just looked at hsreplay and it didnt even showed up. because it sees no play,at all. but yeah just rotate it too because why not right? People need to leave classic cards alone while there is much worse ones that keep adding from expansions.
Wild Growth is a big part of druid identity. Nerfing innervate was already huge. Also, 2 mana ramp 1 mana is a common card in many card games and exactly none that I know of ever had balance issues with their versions of it. Most notably, in shadowverse, a game notorious for nerfing their cards every single month, this card is objectively better than in HS but has never been the target of the nerf hammer. If it's "broken", it's because blizzard printed a bunch of OP druid cards to go with it
Sorcerer's Apprentice. His reasoning is flawed. All blizzard needs to do in order to prevent his senario is print removal spells that don't go face like Darkbolt or Flamecannon
Ice Block is also a big mage identity card and seen often in WoW. It's a bit like mage's version of armoring up. The only difference is that it stops exodias but blizzard hates OTKs anyway so the point is moot. I agree discovering 4 ice blocks is a bit ridiculous but they can simply remove it from discover pools or something. The issue is mage spell generation cards, not block
Divine Favor, perhaps the only good consideration in the list. One issue is that it's the only early card draw for paladin in the evergreen set. Will blizzard replace it or print draw every rotation?
Gadgetzan Auctioneer is already nerfed and conceal is already rotated. What kind of broken things can you even do with him anymore?
Sea Giant is a worse corridor creeper. The only problem deck it's in right now is naga giant decks and rotating this into wild obviously isn't going to help with that. Maybe they should rotate the card into standard :P
Personally I feel that the only classic card that should've been moved was Power Overwhelming, simply because it's a cold blood that doesn't require a combo. The death at end of turn rarely matters simply bc you will most often use it as a finisher. And even so, it could've just been nerfed to 2 mana
Conceal and Ice Lance are class-defining cards. Ice lance could've maybe be nerfed but they are class defining cards. They don't deserve to be moved. They are classic cards, after all.
I think the answer of why those 2 cards is pretty easy. Inner Fire enables OTK decks and Stonetusk Boar prevents blizzard from releasing playable good buff spells. And we all know from every second design interview, that blizzard don't like designlimmiters and otk decks.
Why (the fuck) would they move Sea Giant to the hall? Card never saw that much play.
My prediction (and hope) is that they remove a card from Warrior, Shaman, Hunter, Priest, Druid and Paladin before touching anything more from rogue, mage and warlock. Balance the amount of card choices and all that. Messing with nigh-class-specific neutrals to the likes of Auctioneer counts as well, without that card the rogue identity of drawing their entire deck is out of the window, might as well give them board clears at that point. We wouldn't want that.
So ; Let's Move Northshire Cleric, Animal Companion, Armorsmith, Flametongue Totem, Divine Favor and Swipe. Those cards are too common in the class decks, restricting "future card design".. bla bla bla.. whatever reason was used for conceal, ice lance and power overwhelming.
The highlighted part won't happen. Blizzard already said with the last rotation, that they consider filling up the classic set if needed. So there wont be a huge difference, if they rotate more cards of mage, warlock and rogue. That way, blizzard doesn't need to look at the amount of card choices, if a class looses too much, they just fill it up.
And your suggestions for other class cards rotating, these aren't any problem cards, just staples. And in the previous rotation, Team5 didn't touch class staples, only neutral staples
On the point of the already rotated cards: Ice Lance and Power Overwhelming where such otk enablers, which blizzard doesn't want to be in standard and Conceal was a too hard to counter card.
I think he is definitly correct concerning Ice BlockGadgetzan Auctioneer and Alexstrasza because they have been around for a long time and usually resulted in similiar types of decks.
One card I strongly disagree on is Wild Growth partly because some ramp cards will be moved to wild at the start of the new HS year and partly because I dont think that they are going to touch basic cards yet (if they intended to do so, they probably wouldn't have nerfed Fiery War Axe but moved it to the hall of fame as well).
Sorcerer's Apprentice seems to be quiet a stretch as well since most combos in mage would rely on an active Ice Block beeing in play. Without it mage is currently way to vulnerable over multiple turns.
The only other card I can currently think of that might be rotated additionally is Ysera. It might be a stretch but it is still a very powerfull late game minion and will always be considered if you are trying to have a strong lategame line-up (especially at the current meta when you play against priest in the lategame and anything below 5 attack is pretty dam valuable).
So what do you think? Any cards you believe will be hall of famed soon?
They cannot move Basic class cards to Hall of Fame, at least not like one card for like only 2 classes or smth, they have to keep Basic class sets even for all classes, so they will have to either replace those cards to keep the same amount of cards in said sets for each class, or remove a card from each class. Highly doubt the latter scenario would happen, since it would also include changing the lvl-up rewards of basic cards on new accounts etc..
They aren’t going to rotate wild growth for sure because it’s a clean core card. A lot of the cards Kripp mentioned are very situational meta wise for example divine favor is only really good when deck that have big hand sizes are popular like right now. Sea Giant doesn’t see play rn because corridor creeper is easier to play for zero. I can however see ice block being rotated out because of how powerful it is in control like mage decks and combo mage decks like freeze mage it’s even good enough in Aggro mage, powerful card. I can also see auctioneer being rotated as sad as I would be if it did happen. The power auctioneer can have when it goes off is insane and game winning in some decks (miricle rogue) so I can see that being rotated out as well. As for what you said about ysera litch king does it better just saying.
Do you know whx was Master of Disguise [/card] nerfed despite NEVER been used in any serious deck ever. Because if they didn't, they couldn't design cards like [card] Lich King or Ysharj.
Stonetusk Boar is too cheap and too powerful for its mana.
Inner Fire is a card that limits creazing strong high hp minions or hp buffs.
Wild Growth : It is a big part of Druid Identity as a ramp class, and since Innervate is nerfed and Jade Blossom is rotating, its power level is fine and not really problematic.
Sorcerer's Apprentice : Blizzard has not printed any direct damage spell to the face for mage in a long time (Last time was Flame Geyser in Un'Goro, which is overcosted for the damage), or even for any class, so Idk. It enables some devastating combos, and if Blizzard doesn't like them, I think nerfing it or the spells like Fireball might be their decision rather than HoF.
Ice Block : It is almost confirmed at this point, so...
Divine Favor : It could happen, given how busted the card is for aggro, but somehow I don't see it being HoF since there isn't many space design constraint in my mind.
Auctioneer : Last year it wasn't super present in the meta, so the power level is fine I guess now. However, it is restricting the creation of cheap spells, so maybe...
Sea Giant : LoL.
MCT : The randomness of the card can annoying as hell yeah, but otherwise it doesn't strike me as too dangerous. It's a tech card after all.
Alexstrasza : Idk. It allows some devastating combos to exist on top of being a dragon, but I feel like the solution in this case is simply to have more healing option. Maybe send Antique Healbot back to Standard ? (Dreaming ofc)
They cannot move Basic/Classic class cards to Hall of Fame, at least not like one card for like only 2 classes or smth, they have to keep Basic and Classic class sets even for all classes, so they will have to either replace those cards to keep the same amount of cards in said sets for each class, or remove a card from each class. Highly doubt the latter scenario would happen, since it would also include changing the lvl-up rewards of basic cards on new accounts etc.
Havent seen anyone who discuss these potential HoF candidates take this into consideration at all. Not only that, remove Ice Block and you either have to give mage new Classic epic card, or remove one epic card from each class. This just lacks all logic. I dont understand how can ppl even suggest things like these. If anything, these cards will at best get the same treatment as Fiery War Axe or Hex did. Tho obviously Ice Block cannot get a simple cost increase.
While I also don't believe that they will move Basic Cards to HoF (they already showed that they will simply nerf them instead), they also prooved that they have no issues with moving classic class Cards to HoF ( Ice Lance , Power Overwhelming ).
And as far as I know, they strongly indicated that Ice Block is moved in the upcoming Rotation.
All the rest of Kripp's suggestions seem just BS to me. These Cards are neither a Problem nor staples in all decks.
Ice Block has been beat to death in multiple threads so there is no reason to really discuss why it might be moved. As for Shadowstep and Faceless Manipulator. I feel Shadowstep will be moved because it hinders design as everytime they design a card they have to worry about the shenanigans that Shadowstep enables. Prince Keleseth as a quick and dirty example. Prince buffing every minion in the deck by 1/1 is damn good, but when it goes and does a 2/2 buff or even a 3/3 buff things get ridiculous damn quick.
As for Faceless Manipulator. He is a design limiting nightmare. Take Cubelock or Control Warlock for example. Him being able to become anything on the board is down right insane. As a Warlock player myself, I can recognize the power his ability brings to the board when I drop him and copy a 8/8 Giant or a Voidlord.
Hi everyone,
you might have seen one of Kripps new videos concerning his predictions for potential rotations of cards to the hall of fame (links is below).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCZDuEbVlq8
He thinks that Blizzard will move the following Cards: Wild Growth Sorcerer's Apprentice Ice Block Divine Favor Gadgetzan Auctioneer Sea Giant.
Honorable mentions are Alexstrasza and Mind Control Tech
I think he is definitly correct concerning Ice Block Gadgetzan Auctioneer and Alexstrasza because they have been around for a long time and usually resulted in similiar types of decks.
One card I strongly disagree on is Wild Growth partly because some ramp cards will be moved to wild at the start of the new HS year and partly because I dont think that they are going to touch basic cards yet (if they intended to do so, they probably wouldn't have nerfed Fiery War Axe but moved it to the hall of fame as well).
Sorcerer's Apprentice seems to be quiet a stretch as well since most combos in mage would rely on an active Ice Block beeing in play. Without it mage is currently way to vulnerable over multiple turns.
The only other card I can currently think of that might be rotated additionally is Ysera. It might be a stretch but it is still a very powerfull late game minion and will always be considered if you are trying to have a strong lategame line-up (especially at the current meta when you play against priest in the lategame and anything below 5 attack is pretty dam valuable).
So what do you think? Any cards you believe will be hall of famed soon?
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I agree with things like Ice Block, Alexstrasza, and Gadgetzan Auctioneer...also they're among the cards I'd love to see rotated the most.
Alexstrasza was my first golden legendary, so I'd be sad to see her rotated out. I know a lot of people seem to not like her though. And I guess I'd get 3200 dust.
I don't really understand the Sea Giant or even Wild Growth being rotated. I've never really thought of Sea Giant as one of the more powerful giants. I thought Arcane Giant was one of the better ones, but that's getting rotated anyways. And Wild Growth is actually really key to the identity of Druid I thought. I guess they'd be able to create more ramp cards (including battlecry/deathrattle minions).
I would actually like to see Divine Favor rotated. It can be so frustrating to play against an aggro pally (hell, any pally really) and let them draw like 6 cards for 3 mana. I wouldn't mind seeing its mana cost increased to like 5 maybe. Just nerf it into the ground. Paladin needs more reliable card draw if they're going to rotate that.
I've always been one of the few people who are fine with ice block. Just play around it. I think it would have been better if Ice Block had the effect of Evasion haha, but it's a bit late for that.
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I'd have my worries over Alexstraza going and I don't see any reason for Storm Giant going. I don't for one moment buy into the argument that says a card should be slung into the Hall of Fame because it's old. I can't say I've committed the every meta to memory but I don't see her being so oppressively present in every deck that she needs to be removed.
The Classic set is the fulcrum on which the concept of standard is built. We lost two legendary cards last year in the form of Ragnaros and Sylvanas, five if you consider Elite Tauren Chieftain, Old Murk-Eye and Gelbin Mekkatorque who all say in the Reward Set. Stripping away cards from classic.....yeah.....might as well come up with a new model and get rid of wild as eventually the diminishing returns will make the game unplayable.
Or would Blizzard be advised to consider making additions to the Classic set? I think I recall some speculation / clamour for Reno to be added to Classic.
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Stonetusk boar has the issue of being a 1 mana charger so it’s always in danger of being a combo enabler. See: quest rogue. Not an OP deck by any means but shows just how powerful a 1 mana charger can be in certain situations.
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I am really sick of seeing every playable classic card mentioned to go hof. How can cards like Alex or Ysera be candidates while they are literally not played in any good deck. They are not even close to be problematic. Problematic ones are power creeps released expansion after expansion(creeper,bonemare etc.) . Guess people just want to get rid of any playable classic card for some reason.
And about kripp,someone who only plays arena talking about which cards should rotate. Yeah he definitely doesnt talk bs right. I mean sea giant? are you fucking serious? i just looked at hsreplay and it didnt even showed up. because it sees no play,at all. but yeah just rotate it too because why not right? People need to leave classic cards alone while there is much worse ones that keep adding from expansions.
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Personally I feel that the only classic card that should've been moved was Power Overwhelming, simply because it's a cold blood that doesn't require a combo. The death at end of turn rarely matters simply bc you will most often use it as a finisher. And even so, it could've just been nerfed to 2 mana
Conceal and Ice Lance are class-defining cards. Ice lance could've maybe be nerfed but they are class defining cards. They don't deserve to be moved. They are classic cards, after all.
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They cannot move Basic class cards to Hall of Fame, at least not like one card for like only 2 classes or smth, they have to keep Basic class sets even for all classes, so they will have to either replace those cards to keep the same amount of cards in said sets for each class, or remove a card from each class. Highly doubt the latter scenario would happen, since it would also include changing the lvl-up rewards of basic cards on new accounts etc..
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They aren’t going to rotate wild growth for sure because it’s a clean core card. A lot of the cards Kripp mentioned are very situational meta wise for example divine favor is only really good when deck that have big hand sizes are popular like right now. Sea Giant doesn’t see play rn because corridor creeper is easier to play for zero. I can however see ice block being rotated out because of how powerful it is in control like mage decks and combo mage decks like freeze mage it’s even good enough in Aggro mage, powerful card. I can also see auctioneer being rotated as sad as I would be if it did happen. The power auctioneer can have when it goes off is insane and game winning in some decks (miricle rogue) so I can see that being rotated out as well. As for what you said about ysera litch king does it better just saying.
Wild Growth : It is a big part of Druid Identity as a ramp class, and since Innervate is nerfed and Jade Blossom is rotating, its power level is fine and not really problematic.
Sorcerer's Apprentice : Blizzard has not printed any direct damage spell to the face for mage in a long time (Last time was Flame Geyser in Un'Goro, which is overcosted for the damage), or even for any class, so Idk. It enables some devastating combos, and if Blizzard doesn't like them, I think nerfing it or the spells like Fireball might be their decision rather than HoF.
Ice Block : It is almost confirmed at this point, so...
Divine Favor : It could happen, given how busted the card is for aggro, but somehow I don't see it being HoF since there isn't many space design constraint in my mind.
Auctioneer : Last year it wasn't super present in the meta, so the power level is fine I guess now. However, it is restricting the creation of cheap spells, so maybe...
Sea Giant : LoL.
MCT : The randomness of the card can annoying as hell yeah, but otherwise it doesn't strike me as too dangerous. It's a tech card after all.
Alexstrasza : Idk. It allows some devastating combos to exist on top of being a dragon, but I feel like the solution in this case is simply to have more healing option. Maybe send Antique Healbot back to Standard ? (Dreaming ofc)
I want Alex rotation, coz i want free golden Alex craft. And i love wild mage. It's possible, but i don t think so.
100% ice block. Other? Who knows.
I personally think the following 3 cards will be rotated to HoF:
Ice Block
Shadowstep
Faceless Manipulator
Ice Block has been beat to death in multiple threads so there is no reason to really discuss why it might be moved. As for Shadowstep and Faceless Manipulator. I feel Shadowstep will be moved because it hinders design as everytime they design a card they have to worry about the shenanigans that Shadowstep enables. Prince Keleseth as a quick and dirty example. Prince buffing every minion in the deck by 1/1 is damn good, but when it goes and does a 2/2 buff or even a 3/3 buff things get ridiculous damn quick.
As for Faceless Manipulator. He is a design limiting nightmare. Take Cubelock or Control Warlock for example. Him being able to become anything on the board is down right insane. As a Warlock player myself, I can recognize the power his ability brings to the board when I drop him and copy a 8/8 Giant or a Voidlord.