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Trump ... fun?? :/ I get irritated by his obnoxiousness after about 5 minutes. I don't think he's very good either. he just net decks, then tries to make like he invented the deck, doing 'tutorials' ... his pay2chat stream is just .... eurgh

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I regularly watch HS streams now, so here are my 5 cents ... 

When I started out I watched every streamer I could find, whittled it down to 4-5 that i would tune back into over time. Some of them became really obnoxious and unbearable as time went on, others have been more consistent, and care more about the actual game than their image. I can't stomach Tides, Forsen, Trump, Amaz ... I think I'd rather watch a 24hr Ludo marathon than an hour of any of those. That's not to say they don't have skill, any of them would be better than I. But I'd rather watch someone who will actually teach me something. Kolento is hard to beat for this. There are others that I can bear, like MaSan, Savijz, Dog ... they might not be as skillful as some others, but they're watchable, and explain their plays well. 

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Man, there have been some seriously deluded people posting in here.

The guy who said “well if I played HS all day like they do, I’d be as good as they are.” No. You and Malcolm Gladwell can take your pseudoscientific "10,000 hours" flim-flam and GTFO. There are thousands of people trying to do it right now, and the vast majority of them are failing.

The guy whose avatar is a screenshot of the one time he got up to rank 58 legend shitting on Trump (who's been as high as #1 NA and has finished higher than 58 several times) and Artosis.

The guy who said “there’s only so much skill, it’s mostly luck”—that’s why we see a completely different list of top 100 legend players every season, right?

The fact is, as far as constructed goes, there's not really a question of how overrated or underrated people are. The game rates them, you can see it every month, we know who's good: lately, among streamers, Kolento, Strifecro, Amaz, Lifecoach, Firebat, and Kibler (somebody no-one has mentioned) have all put in great showings. They are all objectively better than anyone who has posted in this thread. Maybe you think you catch them making misplays, maybe you beat them once, but if you were actually better than they are, you'd be better than they are. You're not. I do think there's a greater range of skills involved in Hearthstone than just mastering the ladder grind, of course, but I also think it's preposterous for people to come in here and say "oh, I'm better than Trump" and "oh, Amaz is actually terrible." The hard data prove otherwise.

As for those other skills—I really appreciate guys like Noxious, Kripp, and Kibler for trying new and different things, trying to make underutilized cards work, experimenting, and giving me fun new ideas (I like to brew up my own decks too). Bonus points to Kibler for taking some of his unorthodox decks to very high legend ranks. Kripp may not be very good at constructed, but it's a lot of fun to watch him do the PvE stuff like BRM—he comes up with some great solutions. And I think I learned more about how to win in arena from Hafu than from everybody else put together.

The guy who has a bit of a silly rant about other people's opinions because he may or may not be a bit of a fanboy of one or more of these streamers .... 

Trump really is not the best at anything btw ... to that other delusional guy

The Pinnacle 3, that's on atm, is making me really dislike Amaz more than ever. He's not a good caster, he just screams, cuts across his fellow caster/s with nonsense, relies on them to actually read the game because half the time he hasn't a clue ... just grates on the nerves. 

I lost count, just today, on the amount of times he's cut across Monk saying "WAIT! is that let.... oh, it's not  .... " *leaves a pause for Monk to save him, because again he thought it was lethal but isn't sure* .... other caster steps in ... or cutting across while the other caster is actually commentating with a loud "OOOOOOoooohhhhHHHHH" - after a moderately interesting move was made by a player ... followed by ... nothing ... wtf are you shrieking for man!? 

Forsen's main problem is desperately try-harding to be 'cool' at all times. He's built up this persona, now feels he has to stick to it. It's just cringey when he calls female streamers and tries to act all macho ... but whatever the minions want eh ... 

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Trumps ladder skill r Overrated. Though he is decent at arena. Krip, holy crap is he bad. Forsen just a boss even though he's pretty meh player. Amas is good, not great.

He was rank 3 legend afaik today...so...yeah.

Which of the 4 that he mentioned? 

I don't 'get' defending some of these streamers. The only reason we know of some of them, is because they've pretty much made it to begin with! They need to be able to take the rough with the smooth. I don't see where saying nothing but nice things would help them? bar inflate their egos [even further in some cases] ... No matter who you are, you're going to like some, and hate others ... that's just life. 

OK, people keep mentioning Day9! ... and it seems familiar to me, but I don't know why! :/ I think I may have watched him when I started playing maybe? I'm not sure ... but I don't seem to be subscribed to anyone of that name, so I must have a wee search ... 

I guess it feels a little more personal to the viewer to see the streamer on cam? They do it in tournaments too, viewers like to see their reactions. I mean, you could broaden that to - Why every show the players in darts matches? Just show the board! or Poker players ... etc .. 

What?? I just looked up that and found something else going on re: Amy :/ bit of drama about .... 

Reckful ... eurgh ... I know people like car-crash type viewing, it's like you know it's terrible, cringe-inducing, yet you can't stop ... but I don't rate him at all. 

You need to watch drunk/merry Kolento, when he's either had, or seemingly had, some alcohol, he's actually pretty funny, in a weird way :D very sarcastic and quick with responses to dodgy donation message. For example, one night someone donated with a message and added they were also an Ek0p sub, his response "Hmmm, Ek0p subs? a dying breed" ... haha, so dry, but clever. 

Dog is probably the most sound out of the NA streamers. No BS, just does it straight, seems a nice guy, and is a decent player. I agree there. 

The only time I see anything of Amy is her hosting other streamers or acting as Mod in them - I thought she was just another bandwagon jumper tbh, riding other streamer's coat-tails, but apparently she's a great player? Didn't she beat Xixo 4-2 the other day? 

Can't say much on the female streamers, I don't watch Hafu, because she tries to sing ... terribly, lol ... and also she mostly does arena - I watch GuardsmanBob when i want to watch that. Most under-rated streamer out there. Genuine chat *shock horror* - he does 12 win runs a LOT even when he allows chat select the deck! 

I don't count Lea as a proper HS streamer, I don't like Nadia, and well, just don't know the others. 

Nadia looks about 14, and people always say she's cute :/  it seems a bit patronising. I don't like her either way. The first time I saw her stream she was dressed up in some role play costume ..