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Just make bombs deal damage to RANDOM target.

Problem solved.

They actually have this kind of mechanic. It's with the enemy board... but still... it's random. 

on the other hand... I don't see the point of this thread. Dr. Boom is a good card. People should try to get use to it and pass over it.

It's not disturbing the game at a point where it'll f up your day by being played early on (like Undertaker was). If you can't deal with Dr. Boom on turn 7 ... you are probably in a bad spot and the deck playing the Boom is currently winning since he have the advantage of dropping a big creature (something would replace Boom if it was non-existent). 

so, you have a... let's say... ragnaros on a completely empty board, and he drops boom. After that you play Tirion, and BOTH get killed thereafter (bomb 1 pops tirion shield and does 3-4 damage to rag, boom kills Tirion, bomb 2 attacks rag and deals 3-4 damage more to Rag, and opponent plays, let's say... Ysera? Or some other legendary  you like. Leaving you with nothing on board and enemy with a 7/1 AND another legendary creature you can't deal with now. 


So he turned off a clearly disadvantaged position (answering a rag with NOTHING on board means you are in a bad spot) in a winning one.
Boom CAN (I say, can) turn games so hard, it's just unbelievable the value he gets from just being played. 

If the bombs would deal truly RANDOM damage, it would still be good. But that would put more strategy in WHEN to play it and it could be a double edged sword play as many of other legendaries are.

It's just my point, I hope you understand that.
Cheers!

I understand you exploit a unlikely RNG situation to happen to explain your point. I guess it's ''ok'' but not consistent enough to make me willing to believe you are right. 

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He doesn't need to be nerfed trust me there are worse cards to go up against that will crush your spirits take Alexstrazza for example (sorry If I spelt it wrong) she is a game changer legendary IN MY OPINION she can be a huge asset for fatigue decks or can take down your health (I think she also destroys all armor) its also not just Boom and Alexstrazza though there are many cards that need to be nerfed before these If you have a discrepancy with my opinion then just state yours.

Alexstrasza come at least two turns later... is not a game changer if you did not manage to stabilize before playing it. Alexstrasza is only played consistently in Control Warrior and Freeze Mage. Rarely seen in Handlock, Midrange/Ramp Druid and some other weird decks.

Dr. Boom, on the other hand, is seen in any deck that is not purely aggro (and even there, you probably will see him in a bit of them). 

So your comparison is awful and pointless. Dr. Boom is the most powerful card in the card in term of board impact. It does not however justify a nerf.

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Just make bombs deal damage to RANDOM target.

Problem solved.

They actually have this kind of mechanic. It's with the enemy board... but still... it's random. 

on the other hand... I don't see the point of this thread. Dr. Boom is a good card. People should try to get use to it and pass over it.

It's not disturbing the game at a point where it'll f up your day by being played early on (like Undertaker was). If you can't deal with Dr. Boom on turn 7 ... you are probably in a bad spot and the deck playing the Boom is currently winning since he have the advantage of dropping a big creature (something would replace Boom if it was non-existent). 

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7/7 to 7/5

Adding the two Boom Bots that'll count for 9/7 stats (like Malorne... i would say).

 

7-mana 7/5 sounds ok, maybe a little too squishy? Thoughts?

6/6 maybe

Once again, making him a 6/6 I believe would be a buff, as you wouldn't be able to BGH him :/

Dodging BGH could be considered as a buff rathen then a nerf. 7/5 is the amount of stats Baron Geddon has. Both have some kind of ''board impact. 7/5 spawning two boom bots would make the body of Dr. Boom not that much strong if the opponent doesn't have Dr. Boom. The boom bots doesn't need to get nerfed, they are what makes the card so good and unique.

7/7 to 7/5

Adding the two Boom Bots that'll count for 9/7 stats (like Malorne... i would say).

Dr. Boom is fine. Stop this silly thread whining about something fine.

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i seriously do not understand how anyone could argue this guy is healthy for the game?

Play Dr. Boom on a fulled board when your health total is at 1 HP... I'm sure Dr. Boom won't bring you any value. It is not an OP card, stop this madness. 

such argument, much wow

i didn't know how i could oversee this? a lost game is a lost game. damned... how insightful

clearly... if a card cant do instant 30 dmg to win you the game, the card is balanced... i understand it now... thank u very much

Nope you don't understand it. Unfortunately. Dr. Boom gives you time to react to it. Not like Undertaker or Leeroy or Starving Buzzard. 

Dr. Boom won't get nerfed. Get used to it. He is a balanced card. I'm telling you. Your sarcasm won't change the fact I'm right. You can still try.

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I think, as kahgro stated earlier, the main problem with dr. boom is, that you can play him 100% of time, he will never fail to get value, even if your enemy has the direct answer in form of BGH, u still have up to 10 dmg on your board in form of the doom bots.

and that is simply insane. 

now, his 7/7 body allready is "decent" on his own. if u add additional value to him by giving him 2 free 1/1 tokens, that is fine, but (also as stated earlier) this additional stats should come with a draw-back, a negative effect and not with a positive effect on top.

the random dmg to _only_ enemies is what makes this guy insanely strong. if the dmg would change to any charakter, you still have the insane value of 3 bodys, 9/9 stats for 7 mana. in my opinion this still would be too strong... 

you either need to nerf dr. boom stats to make up for his strong positive effect or you need to give him a negative effect for having insane good stats. (and not just a possibly negative effect)

i seriously do not understand how anyone could argue this guy is healthy for the game?

Play Dr. Boom on a fulled board when your health total is at 1 HP... I'm sure Dr. Boom won't bring you any value. It is not an OP card, stop this madness. 

The slight nerf they would make to Dr. Boom would not make him less playable. Increasing his mana cost is not part of the solution, since at 8-mana he would leave the 7-mana spot empty again. 

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With so many people asking for nerf, would it be wise to craft Dr.Boom now? I have 1200 dust and at least one useless Legendary to DE

The pitchforks are out, they're pounding down the Blizzard door for a nerf. Eventually/Usually Blizzard always answers and delivers.

It's kinda sad. Nothing fun every remains, everything gets nerfed.

No it's not sad that they nerf op cards. The sad thing is that they don't know how to nerf in a balanced way. Look at all those Cards that are now dead, for example Nat Pagle,Millhouse Manastorm, Tinkmaster Overspark and many more. There should be no cards in this game which are basically unusable. 

When you look at Nat Pagle, I don't get why Mana Tide Totem still isn't nerfed for example. 

Yeah that's what asking for nerfs does, they nerf the cards so badly they're unusable. This is completely boring and not fun at all.

If they don't nerf them enough the whining and crying continues, if they over nerf them, they become obsolete.

Dr. Boom is not OP. There are a million ways to take him out BHG, Hex, Equality, Shadow Word Death.. the list goes on and on.

If an answer exists to a so called problem, then it's not a problem, because there are answers.

Does he provide a lot of value? Yes. Is he a Legendary, Yes. What's the point of a 1600 dust card if he's just gonna be a slightly better War Golem?

Congrats for being the only person who thinks that Dr. Boom is not OP. Someone has to call the pro players to tell them that they all are wrong.

Not all the pro players tends to believe that Dr. Boom is OP. From what I've read, he's not that much OP that he has no real competition in the 7-mana spot. It's not Geddon or Troggzor that bring this kind of board impact. Go away with your calling all pro players. You are a shame to the communitu with this attitude.

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Two things. First Dr. Boom need competition for his slot more then he needs nerfed or at least until his spot actually has competition its hard to tell if he needs nerfed or not. Unfortunately he does fill a sorely needed spot in the meta for midgame and control decks that no other card even offers. It does not mean Dr. Boom specifically shouldn't be able to fill that spot it just means blizzard needs to give viable alternatives to fill that same slot and then you can determine how balanced they are between each other.

Secondly, I do not believe you have to be capitalist to disagree with communism but then again hey what do I know maybe the world really is just black and white and grey is just my imagination.

Thanks for sharing an opinion. this intervention is still irrelevant to the thread.

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Exactly. Well said. He needs no nerf and if you think you're losing because of 1 card in the game, then you weren't going to win anyway.

It's better to play around it or get your own, rather than cry about a nerf IMO.

Don't you see? That's the whole problem right there. You should not be forced to get your own, you should not be forced to build around it, cards should be options, not necessary auto-includes like Dr. Boom and BGH are now.
It's not a problem of losing games to it, since it's a neutral card that anyone can play. It's a problem of skewing the format more than any single card should be allowed to.

What the fuck did I just read ? You really want to implement communism into Hearthstone ? Come on... the mentality of : I do not own a strong card so they should not allow it is wrong. Get out.

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yes,  a lot of other cards are in a lot of other decks as well. But Loatheb, Belcher, shredder don't win you the game if your opponent does not have an answer.

Loatheb on a small board can secure easily a win. Come on.

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Dr. Boom needs no nerf. He is a great minion, fits in many different decks, but is by no means overpowered. 
The fact that this is the best 7-drop doesn't make him op.

When Sylvanas was 5 mana, she litterally was in every deck and, because of Blizzard's nerf philosophy, she was nerfed (Tinkmaster and Nat Pagle were nerfed too for the same reason). Now it's the same with Dr. Boom, so maybe, if Blizzard is coherent, he will be nerfed too.

Sylvannas cost 6-mana and she is in every deck still... 

Dr. Boom WON't be nerf. Why... he's sane.

Sylvanas is not in every deck. I've never seen an aggro deck with Sylvanas, while Dr. Boom is good even in aggro decks and he's used in them.

So is Loatheb. Firebat putted him in his MechShaman. SenX in his Midrange Shaman. Should we nerf Loatheb too because he's unique. I do not believe, so does Blizzard.

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Dr. Boom needs no nerf. He is a great minion, fits in many different decks, but is by no means overpowered. 
The fact that this is the best 7-drop doesn't make him op.

When Sylvanas was 5 mana, she litterally was in every deck and, because of Blizzard's nerf philosophy, she was nerfed (Tinkmaster and Nat Pagle were nerfed too for the same reason). Now it's the same with Dr. Boom, so maybe, if Blizzard is coherent, he will be nerfed too.

Sylvannas cost 6-mana and she is in every deck still... 

Dr. Boom WON't be nerf. Why... he's sane.