Which arguments are made out of thin air ? Why are you not mentionning them specifically ? As it is I have legit no idea what you're talking about and always tried to explain my thoughts, never said anything close to "because I said so". You did however, multiple times when you dismissed my arguments "because you obviously don't play warlock" and "you deny reality" this is pure sophistry.
You are still obsessed about meta tiers and butthurt about warlock not being T1 and can't even comprehend the difference between the meta viability of a deck, which is ever changing and highly dependant on the actions of other players and the matchmaking system, even the time of the day and month, and the sheer power of a deck in a vacuum, which is not dependant on the meta whatsoever. You could argue that the sheer individual power of a deck is irrelevant if it only faces bad matchups, that is true, but to argue that the current iteration of control warlock is inherently a bad deck, is simply blowing my mind, considering the power level of individual cards, card combos and access to incredibly diverse tools to deal with all archetypes, in that deck.
There are people playing that deck in Wild with only a minimal amount of actual Wild cards and winning games.
You still haven't answered why you were happily playing such a terrible T4 deck and how you perfomed so well with it before the nerf. My guess is the deck isn't as bad as you pretend, regardless of the presence of Kazakus in it, and "T1" or "T4" are just words that don't mean shit when the deck is in the proper hand. Anything that is "tier something" is inherently a good deck, compared to unplayable meme shit like freeze shaman or face murloc priest. T1 and T4 decks are roughly on the same power level, the T1 deck just has a more favorable meta. What is your guess now ? If you're going to tell me you play the deck because you enjoy it no matter how it performs, having nerfed hysteria shouldn't bother you. If you care how it performs, you shouldn't play it to begin with because this is a terrible T4 deck. So what is the source of your contradiction ?
Look, whatever, how about we just agree to disagree. In the end Blizzard makes the decision and we won't know why for sure. I tried to give you reasonable explanations and arguments as to why Hysteria was nerfed and why it didn't kill Warlock, you dismissed all of them with an emotional reaction.
Didn't you just said, that good deck is good regardless the meta?
yes, I said that, a good deck is always a good deck, but it can perform better or worse depending on the meta. I am not the best english speaker so maybe my words are contradictory, but I know you understand what I meant, I know you are just trolling me at this point, and I know you agree with most things I said, and I know you never considered Control warlock a bad deck, because you played it (with success), and nobody plays bad decks on purpose, and nobody loses their shit when a bad deck gets the tiniest nerf.
What is so hard to understand that a good deck can struggle in the wrong meta ?
So how to tell the difference between "good deck in the wrong meta" (whatever that means...) and "bad deck in the right meta"? I'm curious.
Good deck in the wrong meta is Control warlock in face/combo meta.
Bad deck in the right meta is Freeze shaman in any meta.
Notice the difference ? Control warlock has 30 crazy good cards in the deck that have great synergy together. Freeze shaman only has shit in the deck, no matter the context or environment.
Good decks are good, no matter the meta. Bad decks are bad, no matter the meta. The meta is just another layer that will dictate how good is your good deck, and how bad is your bad deck. Sometimes your good deck is not that good, because you face a lot of counter decks. Sometimes your bad deck is not that bad, because you get lucky matchups.
Control warlock is a good deck. Current meta dictates that it is not that good. Maybe next meta will be ruled by minion-based midrange decks and Control warlock will become God tier, while still being the exact same "good" deck in a vacuum.
Exactly. Kazakus gives you tempo, value and flexibility at the same time and there's no other card like that in Warlock's arsenal.
There's no other card like that because it has unique effect. There are other tempo cards.
Nothing that Control Warlock has access to, unfortunately.
Because you experimented with all tempo cards in the game and can conclude they don't work.
Reliability beats quantity. it doesn't matter that you have 10+ fragments in your deck, when you also have 8 health and you're about to die next turn, because RNG wasn't on your side. Blademaster Samuro and Apotheosis is pro-active and reliable healing source (which can give you up to 24 HP and clear the board at the same time), fragments are not.
So unreliable that you had a great winrate with the deck before the nerf. Warlock both has reliable and unreliable healing. But go ahead and tell me how Drain Soul and Blood Shard Bristleback are such unreliable cards. Samuro + Apotheosis is plain OP and you should stop really stop using the best cards and best combos in the game as a reference for Warlock balance. Priest doesn't have life tap.
It's single, conditional card. Pretty often you can't even play it, because it would be like plain 5/5 or with 1 soul for 7 mana - terrible tempo loss and almost no impact on the board.
It's not the only card in the deck, man I hate this argument "but it's just one card" as if there isn't 29 other cards in your deck. Kazakus is also a single conditional card, pretty often you can't play it because it's a 4 mana 3/3 and you're dead next turn ;)
Now YOU're in denial. 99% of the time Malicia is a huge tempo gain and/or a full clear. I don't care that RNG ruined your game that one time, next time you'll save some fragment cards for the turn before Malicia to make sure Malicia has value.
Jaraxxus for 2 mana?
Hero power, pretty self evident bro, don't you play warlock ?
They are not, but you clearly don't play Control Warlock so you have no idea about that.
I clearly do play control warlock in both formats but keep being a dick if that makes you feel better.
In the past Warlock used to have Defile, Dark Skies and Plague of Flames (cheap, efficient removals), but now he didn't get any replacement.
Great, the 3 most OP board clears in existence, what a good reference. If all you want is OP cards for warlock you should've started with that.
So why it's considered T3/T4 deck by Vicious Syndicate, Tempo Storm or HS Replays and has win rate below 47%?
What is so hard to understand that a good deck can struggle in the wrong meta ? Why did you have so much success with that deck if it's considered T4 with 47% winrate ?
Try to imagine the best deck in the world. Some T0 abomination that wins on turn 3 consistently. Now picture yourself in an imaginary meta where 99% of players are playing a counter deck to this T0 abomination. What happens ? The best deck in the world gets 30% winrate and is no longer the best deck in the world. Crazy right ? It's always funny to me how some people who actively play this game still don't understand a thing about card games and feel like they've been robbed of all fun and power after a single nerf.
Because you're trying to deny reality. The numbers don't lie and no player in the world (out of several million) has managed to build an effective, at least T2 Control Warlock deck. To a sane person, this is an obvious argument that proves the weakness of the class and the archetype itself... but not for you. That's why.
Exactly, numbers don't lie and numbers said Hysteria is OP, deal with it. There is only one reality here, you are butthurt that your deck was nerfed because it was a good deck, which is understandable of course, if that was a bad deck you would'nt even care and you wouldn't be playing it. But stop acting like you know better than Blizzard, they have people whose entire jobs are to analyse data.
Blizzard data. Pretty relevant I know. More relevant than your Vicious syndicate data anyway.
As I said, I'm aware that 4 mana cost is more fair for this card... BUT WHY NOW?! We are weeks away from the mini-expansion, don't control players have the right to have fun during this time? T3/T4 decks are too much for us?
Stop whining, it's not T4, go experiment and find a f*ing replacement for your Kazakus, like you did when you replaced the corrupt package with Kazakus (you'll have to explain how you replace 5 cards with 1 though), play alexstrasza or something, and you know very well Hearthstone is an aggro driven game, it is designed that way, it is balanced that way, it has always been. Whenever there is a T1 control deck the meta gets completely weird and insane and the community outrages.
And I am with you on the control love, but it takes more than a justified nerf to stop me from having fun in this game, there are so many cards, they could literally nerf the 20 best cards of every expansion and I would still have fun playing control decks.
Warlock though can do nothing about it, he just lacks strong replacements.
What do you mean nothing ? You really believe this deck is unplayable without Kazakus and that not a single card in the game is good enough to take its place ? Isn't it one of the most flexible cards in the deck, even before the nerf ? There are other proactive cards you know. These are real questions by the way, I'm not trying to dismiss your argument, only seeking answers.
no reliable healing, almost no tempo, and no cards to make significant swing turns
Maybe not "reliable" but they have tons of healing with Drain Soul, up to 20 soul fragments, Blood Shard Bristleback, Siphon Soul, and armor from Jaraxxus, really it's more healing than most non-priest control decks I've seen in 8 years.
No swing turn and tempo you say ? Malicia that generates a full rushing board on turn 7 ? Nether + Strongman on turn 8 ? Yshaarj + disaster + strongman on turn 10 ? Nether + Jaraxxus on turn 10 ? These might not be the craziest swings but they are extremely consistent and reliable. And what card exactly is overcosted in that deck ? Twisting nether maybe a tiny bit slow in today's power level ?
I agree this is a very reactive deck, I understand why it is weak against auto-pilot combo decks that don't play minions, then again this is how control decks are supposed to work, I also understand that the deck can be difficult to pilot in a very aggressive meta, but to say this deck is weak and it sucks is a huge overreaction to me, I think this is one of the best and most fleshed out control decks I've ever seen (for the Standard power level) in an unlucky meta.
This shows you have literally zero idea about Warlock
Why does it always come down to this when I'm in an argument with someone ? This week alone I have been said that I have no clue about Warlock, Shaman, Priest, Mage and Paladin. It is true control warlock is not my most played deck at the moment, but I've played it, I've experimented with it, I've played against it a lot, and I've played HS for almost 8 years.
Am I really saying stupid things or do you just dislike my opinion ? I feel like I'm putting at least some effort into my answers and I'm not saying things that are plain wrong.
I'm upset, because I don't understand why Blizzard nerfed card from 8th and 9th class in standard, played in T3/T4 decks.
Because the card was OP in whatever data was collected. Doesn't matter if the deck is T1 or T467, I thought this was clear by now.
They almost never nerf cards based on community feelings. They did it with Barnes and a couple other cards, but most of the time they have data strongly indicating that something is wrong with a particular card. Like the watch post nerfs, it was a surprise to most of us, but they didn't nerf these at random, they were probably warping the meta way too much.
Meta. 3-4 mana mass removal is too strong to ignore with Paladin, Hunter and Warrior around. Kazakus alone cannot compensate for it.
Ok then don't replace hysteria, replace kazakus, what's wrong with that ?
Especially priest has a ton of good 4 mana legendary, they can play the nameless one, Xyrella, Samuro...
And for warlock I think it's only fair that they can't have hysteria+kazakus+tickatus+jaraxxus+nether+soul fragments package+corrupt package+single target removals+whatever else in the same deck. They don't have to do everything, and if your control deck is so strong that it plays like a tempo deck, maybe there's something wrong.
It is clear to me that you are only upset because they nerfed a deck you were playing, not because you feel this is bad for the game.
But who cares that you can't play kazakus and hysteria in the same deck ? How did it kill the deck exactly, do you have data to back up this claim ? What is stopping your from replacing Hysteria with a card that doesn't cost 4 mana ?
Naming those decks "kazakus decks" seems a bit of a stretch anyway, it's just one card, and it's not a win condition, it's not essential to the game plan. Like seriously before the nerf you would call this deck Tickatus warlock or Control warlock like everyone else.
If they wanted to get rid of Control Warlock from the meta completely, all they had to do was to kill Tickatus (by making him 8 mana or something). Why also harm Priest if he wasn't the target?
I think you don't get it. Warlock wasn't the target. Priest wasn't the target. Hysteria was the target. There was nothing wrong with those decks as a whole, it's just Hysteria that was a little bit too strong. But they are not going to completely destroy Hysteria and make it 5 mana just so you can have specifically Kazakus and hysteria in your deck.