Just to get ahead of this early: If you are going to victim blame, you can expect your post to receive moderation attention.
Might help to define terms on this sort of thing. This could mean different things to different people.
I had the same thought. It seems fine to shit on Zalae in this discussion, despite any proof that he has committed any wrongdoing. Not a cross word can be said of the accuser, though. Feels like white knight posturing for the mob, "We shall not stand for victim blaming, and there can obviously be only one victim here!"
who cares about the entire situation cuz no one cares and it doesn't affect your life it doesn't affect your family and friends so u just basically move on nothing to see here it's just that simple
Hey, ostrich, get your head out of the sand. There's a big world around you with lots of things happening, and guess what...... you may not care about it, but it certainly cares about you. Specifically, what it can take from you. If you refuse to speak up on things because they don't affect you, then don't be surprised when no one speaks up for you when something inevitably does happen to you. None of us can afford to live with this naive outlook.
I'm not understanding the position businesses are taking of terminating employees based on unproven allegations.
Or in this case, kicking a player from the tournament based on unproven allegations.
If he did it, blacklist him from all HS events for life.
Right now we have an allegation. It should be taken seriously, it should be investigated, and the truth should be determined. Hearthstone chose to jump ahead of that and go straight to the punishment phase based on just the allegation.
Think about this for a moment, and personalize it. You've worked hard at something your entire professional career. Now, you are about to get your big shot. An ex girlfriend/boyfriend, ex wife/husband, whatever, suddenly comes out with an allegation of wrongdoing on your part. You are then, with no proof and no chance to defend yourself, completely shut out from the job/career/opportunity that you have pursued for so long and dedicated yourself to. Does that sound fair? Does that sound right?
To me, it absolutely does not.
Give the man his day in court. If he is found guilty, bar him from all events. Strip him of titles if needed. Do not condemn him based on allegations, though. I'm disappointed in Blizzard, and society at large, as we are seeing more and more of these types of things happening.
Yes it’s common for business to suspend people who have not been proven to do a crime. Even beyond businesses, it happens with cops and teachers who are accused of wrongdoing, which are government positions.
I think it’s rather easy to understand actually. Sure it could seem unfair for the accused, but if that person is actually guilty, it would be very bad for the reputation of the organization because it is as if they were supporting a criminal. Organizations would rather take the safe approach, since in most cases, there is more backlash from NOT suspending the accused than there is from suspending them.
There are some exceptions to this case, if the accused is in an iconic or very popular position for example, such as with Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp was accused of domestic abuse, when it is likely he was actually the victim, but Disney suspended him regardless and faced MAJOR backlash because people couldn’t imagine pirates of the Caribbean without him. Hearthstone on the other hand is well fit to survive without Zalae so it not nearly as impactful losing him as it would be if they supported a domestic abuser.
That opens the door to corporations being judge jury and executioner of peoples careers, though, based on if they can financially get away with it or not.
That is vile.
Yes, Hearthstone will be just fine without Zalae. Yes, being a private company they can boot him with zero fear of repercussions. But... a resounding "NO!" when asking ourselves if this is right, or just.
I'm not understanding the position businesses are taking of terminating employees based on unproven allegations.
Or in this case, kicking a player from the tournament based on unproven allegations.
If he did it, blacklist him from all HS events for life.
Right now we have an allegation. It should be taken seriously, it should be investigated, and the truth should be determined. Hearthstone chose to jump ahead of that and go straight to the punishment phase based on just the allegation.
Think about this for a moment, and personalize it. You've worked hard at something your entire professional career. Now, you are about to get your big shot. An ex girlfriend/boyfriend, ex wife/husband, whatever, suddenly comes out with an allegation of wrongdoing on your part. You are then, with no proof and no chance to defend yourself, completely shut out from the job/career/opportunity that you have pursued for so long and dedicated yourself to. Does that sound fair? Does that sound right?
To me, it absolutely does not.
Give the man his day in court. If he is found guilty, bar him from all events. Strip him of titles if needed. Do not condemn him based on allegations, though. I'm disappointed in Blizzard, and society at large, as we are seeing more and more of these types of things happening.
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I had the same thought. It seems fine to shit on Zalae in this discussion, despite any proof that he has committed any wrongdoing. Not a cross word can be said of the accuser, though. Feels like white knight posturing for the mob, "We shall not stand for victim blaming, and there can obviously be only one victim here!"
Hey, ostrich, get your head out of the sand. There's a big world around you with lots of things happening, and guess what...... you may not care about it, but it certainly cares about you. Specifically, what it can take from you. If you refuse to speak up on things because they don't affect you, then don't be surprised when no one speaks up for you when something inevitably does happen to you. None of us can afford to live with this naive outlook.
That opens the door to corporations being judge jury and executioner of peoples careers, though, based on if they can financially get away with it or not.
That is vile.
Yes, Hearthstone will be just fine without Zalae. Yes, being a private company they can boot him with zero fear of repercussions. But... a resounding "NO!" when asking ourselves if this is right, or just.
I'm not understanding the position businesses are taking of terminating employees based on unproven allegations.
Or in this case, kicking a player from the tournament based on unproven allegations.
If he did it, blacklist him from all HS events for life.
Right now we have an allegation. It should be taken seriously, it should be investigated, and the truth should be determined. Hearthstone chose to jump ahead of that and go straight to the punishment phase based on just the allegation.
Think about this for a moment, and personalize it. You've worked hard at something your entire professional career. Now, you are about to get your big shot. An ex girlfriend/boyfriend, ex wife/husband, whatever, suddenly comes out with an allegation of wrongdoing on your part. You are then, with no proof and no chance to defend yourself, completely shut out from the job/career/opportunity that you have pursued for so long and dedicated yourself to. Does that sound fair? Does that sound right?
To me, it absolutely does not.
Give the man his day in court. If he is found guilty, bar him from all events. Strip him of titles if needed. Do not condemn him based on allegations, though. I'm disappointed in Blizzard, and society at large, as we are seeing more and more of these types of things happening.