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Quote from DeafKnight >>

 This is obviously and demonstrably incorrect, based on your previous helpful example and the following detail. 
A card that was not directly altered is being refunded.
Look at it this way. if I put the old version of the card and the new version side by side, just point out the visible difference. Job done. That should be easy enough.

 The dream cards are, for all intents and purposes, part of the Ysera cards. They are generated by only two cards, one of which is not released yet, and are uncollectable tokens from those sources. That is the crucial difference. The only comparable situation from previous nerfs was Leper gnome, but as Plugg is not the sole source it's not really a direct comparison - and honestly, if that nerf went through today, I think blizz would have given a dust refund due to the position of the design team on such things changing.

If Jaraxxus' hero power went to three mana, or summoning a 5/5, then those would be analogous nerfs to this one, and yes, I feel that a refund would be expected (and given). If Blizz changed ashbringer, I would expect a refund for Tirion (not the best analogy currently because the size of the weapon is specified, but a line of text that is, say, 'You take double damage when attacking' could be added without anything added to Tirion's card).

Quote from Andrei2007 >>

Ysera is better now, probably viable in control and in dragon synergy decks. There's nothing to pay respects to.

 *Sigh* OLD Ysera has been not only rotated to Wild, but her effect has been nerfed, because she produces the new, nerfed dream cards.

Quote from ethanadragon >>

The thing is there’s still ways to do this rouge can use shadow step or brewmaster also the card is actually broken it adds 5 cards to your hand including 4 7/6 4 3/5 power overwhelming on crack a better sap and a hellfire that’s just better im actually exited for it.

 Please read some of the posts in the thread. It is talking about OLD YSERA, who is giong to Wild, but still getting the nerfed dream cards. Thus Ysera is nerfed, thus we get a dust refund (and Blizz agrees).

New Ysera is a completely different card.

Quote from SlydE >>

They should actually give WAY more refunds. Yes, they give out the "core" set for free, but ALL other classic cards get a nerf comparable to a HOF rotation: THEY WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE IN STANDARD! What you have built up as a stable, long-term investment for any format got hit by a sledgehammer.

This should really be the outcry here. I actually just recently completed my Classic collection, and given I never bought classic packs for real money, I expect many veteran players to finish theirs around this time. The HOF rotation at least gave some nice extra dust, this time, you get breadcrumbs.

Don't tell me "I can still use them in wild." When was the last time someone bought a classic pack to play the Wild format? It probably never happened...

 I'm missing non-golden Tirion, Edwin (though I DEd the golden of him), Nat, and Cenarius, all of which I have golden, as well as Milihouse, Cho, and Gruul, which I have no copies of. Having played since pre-naxx, but dropped off significantly post-STD creation. So still a way to go for me! Probably be a few eternal holes now, though cho is the most likely to get crafted for any combo shenanigans.

I mean, we do get a different set of cards for free; I can see why they're not givnig refunds for most stuff. And, honestly, most of those cards are either underpowered or eating up design space - look at Cairne/Geddon for the former, or Maly/Boar/Anton/similar. The ones that do see play? They eat design space, generally, or are cheated in (murlocs). Boar, Malygos, Dread corsair, even sea giant with how much flooding classes can have, all eat design space. Bloodlust ensures that token creators for shaman will generally suck. Et al.

We didn't get huge piles of dust when standard became a thing; no reason to expect blizz to break the in game economy now.

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Quote from DeafKnight >>

I believe it's been announced on Twitter that there will in fact (somewhat incredibly) be a dust refund for Ysera?
Blizzard's inconsistency when it comes to handing out dust for some changes and not others with no semblance of continuity is remarkable, but hey... Blizzard. :-)

 I don't see any inconsistency. They nerfed the cards generated by Ysera; the closest prior nerf that was similar that didn't give a refund is Thermaplugg with the leper gnome nerf, which was a long time ago now, and paradigms have changed. If the Wondrous wand reduced the cards to 1 mana, not 0, then I'd expect a Togwaggle refund, too.

To clarify - this is not for Ysera rotating. The refund is because the dream cards are getting changed, and most of those changes are nerfs.

Yes, I am aware of the reason for the refund.
The inconsistency is in the fact that some cards getting pseudo-nerfed get refunded, whereas others don't. And then there's art changes that have long been debated as nerfs to cards visually which also don't get refunded. 
So like I say, inconsistency = Blizzard. :-)

I wonder if Deathwing's nerf gets a refund too, actually. 
Original Deathwing was a core component of Maca'thun Warlock. By nerfing Deathwing, it also has a detrimental effect on Meca'thun meaning the card is not as strong. 
Since this is exactly the same effect as nerfing the Dream cards for Ysera (when ysera wasn't directly nerfed herself), we should expect a full refund for Meca'thun, otherwise inconsistency once again. 
I think we know whether that's going to happen or not. :-)

 Deathwing nerf? Old deathwing is still going to be around and usable in Wild, hence the new one has a different name; same with Ysera/Maly et al.. Is there a change to original deathwing that's not been reported? Only those cards with the same name (and possibly same type, we'll see what happens with Jaraxxus) are getting flat-out replaced. There will be no change to mech'athun lock.

Or am I missing a nerf somewhere here?

Quote from DeafKnight >>

I believe it's been announced on Twitter that there will in fact (somewhat incredibly) be a dust refund for Ysera?
Blizzard's inconsistency when it comes to handing out dust for some changes and not others with no semblance of continuity is remarkable, but hey... Blizzard. :-)

 I don't see any inconsistency. They nerfed the cards generated by Ysera; the closest prior nerf that was similar that didn't give a refund is Thermaplugg with the leper gnome nerf, which was a long time ago now, and paradigms have changed. If the Wondrous wand reduced the cards to 1 mana, not 0, then I'd expect a Togwaggle refund, too.

To clarify - this is not for Ysera rotating. The refund is because the dream cards are getting changed, and most of those changes are nerfs.

Quote from OneM00reTime >>

You need to take some things into consideration:

First off, we will not get a dust refund, as the whole core set will be given out for free for all players for the whole year.

Secondly, you need to analyze the situation in a different way. Tho the dream cards are nerfed, you no longer will have to rely on a RNG system. That, in all honesty, is a good price to pay for the nerfs. You know for granted that you will get 5 specific cards. You know for sure what resources you're gonna use. It would be broken not to readjust the dream cards that way. I think Ysera is in a much happier place now, and I can't complain about the changes on the dream cards, they're more than fair imo.

Cheers

 The dragon aspects are staying unchanged in the classic set. This is about the dream cards getting nerfed, and the new dream cards applying to old ysera.

Also, because of this, we are getting a bunch of dust for Ysera.