There could never exist a Mecha'thun deck that uses Deathwing to complete the combo, because in order for Mecha'thun's deathrattle to trigger, you can have no minions on the board. If you use Deathwing to kill Mecha'thun, the deathrattle won't trigger. So I assure you, you haven't seen "plenty of DW" versions.
I didn't realise that you were watching all of my games to know what I have or haven't seen. >_> That in itself sounds more like a poor attempt at smarm rather than an actual point.
However, that argument does not apply to old Ysera, because the card itself - not a supporting card in a deck - HAS fundamentally changed. Before, you played Ysera with the expectation of getting at least one of five different Dream cards, a card type that is uncollectable and specifically tied to her. The Dream cards ARE her effect. Now, those cards - Ysera's effect - have changed. Therefore, the card has fundamentally changed, and it warrants a dust refound. This is completely in line with Blizzard's dust refound policy and not at all inconsistent.
This is obviously and demonstrably incorrect, based on your previous helpful example and the following detail. A card that was not directly altered is being refunded. Look at it this way. if I put the old version of the card and the new version side by side, just point out the visible difference. Job done. That should be easy enough.
Look, I really want to believe you're arguing in good faith, but you're not doing yourself any favours when you're not addressing valid points such as the Togwaggle example and the fact that the Dream cards are uncollectible and intrinsically tied to Ysera. The change is not visible on the card itself, but it is very clearly functional.
A very relevant example is the nerf to Solarian Prime, an uncollectible card that can only be generated through Astromancer Solarian. Players were given a dust refund for Astromancer Solarian because its effect had changed: it no longer shuffled a 7 mama prime into your deck, but a 9 mama one. This change was not visible on the card itself, but it was very clearly still a nerf that warranted a refund. Similarly, the cards generated by Ysera have drastically changed, and Blizzard is, as always, giving a refund.
Also, I'm not saying that I've seen every game you've ever played. I'm just saying that Mecha'thun cannot be activated by playing Deathwing, which is why I highly doubt you've seen it played on ladder. Nerfing Deathwing would not impact the Mecha'thun Warlock combo in any way, so it's very strange that you keep using it as an example. If you're wrong about one thing, maybe you could be wrong about other things too? No judgement, just saying. We're all wrong once in awhile.
I believe it's been announced on Twitter that there will in fact (somewhat incredibly) be a dust refund for Ysera? Blizzard's inconsistency when it comes to handing out dust for some changes and not others with no semblance of continuity is remarkable, but hey... Blizzard. :-)
I don't see any inconsistency. They nerfed the cards generated by Ysera; the closest prior nerf that was similar that didn't give a refund is Thermaplugg with the leper gnome nerf, which was a long time ago now, and paradigms have changed. If the Wondrous wand reduced the cards to 1 mana, not 0, then I'd expect a Togwaggle refund, too.
To clarify - this is not for Ysera rotating. The refund is because the dream cards are getting changed, and most of those changes are nerfs.
Yes, I am aware of the reason for the refund. The inconsistency is in the fact that some cards getting pseudo-nerfed get refunded, whereas others don't. And then there's art changes that have long been debated as nerfs to cards visually which also don't get refunded. So like I say, inconsistency = Blizzard. :-)
I wonder if Deathwing's nerf gets a refund too, actually. Original Deathwing was a core component of Maca'thun Warlock. By nerfing Deathwing, it also has a detrimental effect on Meca'thun meaning the card is not as strong. Since this is exactly the same effect as nerfing the Dream cards for Ysera (when ysera wasn't directly nerfed herself), we should expect a full refund for Meca'thun, otherwise inconsistency once again. I think we know whether that's going to happen or not. :-)
The old dragons are rotating into wild unchanged besides old Ysera whose dream cards are changingto match the new one for some reason. Hence why the refund is valid.
All the new dragon aspects have different names from their classic counterparts and are completely different cards.
Yes. That was the whole point I was making. Old Ysera isnt changing. She is going to wild. Her dream cards are being changed. Which are not the same card. But they dont have a dusrt value, so no dust is really necessary. however Blizzard have decided to refund it anyway, hence : "inconsistancy". Honestly, it's like pulling teeth out on these forums at times.
The point about Deathwing (which seems hard for some to grasp) is that a change to that card would affect other cards in a negative way. Perhaps I meant Cataclysm over Deathwing - though I've seen plenty of DW versions - but that's moot and the point is the same. Going by their history, Blizzard doesn't normally hand out random refunds every time a card is affected y other cards being changed.
All faux-ccusations of trolling and ad hominems directed toward me aside (which in itself is certainly worthy of reporting), I firmly believe what I am saying is correct. Just because one or two people disagreee dismantles nothing and that claim is somewhat laughable at best.
There could never exist a Mecha'thun deck that uses Deathwing to complete the combo, because in order for Mecha'thun's deathrattle to trigger, you can have no minions on the board. If you use Deathwing to kill Mecha'thun, the deathrattle won't trigger. So I assure you, you haven't seen "plenty of DW" versions.
It is not hard to grasp your point at all, we all get what you're trying to argue. When a couple of key cards in Kingsbane Rogue was changed, it didn't warrant a refund for Kingsbane itself, because it wasn't the card being changed. We all get that, and we all agree on that.
However, that argument does not apply to old Ysera, because the card itself - not a supporting card in a deck - HAS fundamentally changed. Before, you played Ysera with the expectation of getting at least one of five different Dream cards, a card type that is uncollectable and specifically tied to her. The Dream cards ARE her effect. Now, those cards - Ysera's effect - have changed. Therefore, the card has fundamentally changed, and it warrants a dust refound. This is completely in line with Blizzard's dust refound policy and not at all inconsistent.
Look, I really want to believe you're arguing in good faith, but you're not doing yourself any favours when you're not addressing valid points such as the Togwaggle example and the fact that the Dream cards are uncollectible and intrinsically tied to Ysera. The change is not visible on the card itself, but it is very clearly functional.
A very relevant example is the nerf to Solarian Prime, an uncollectible card that can only be generated through Astromancer Solarian. Players were given a dust refund for Astromancer Solarian because its effect had changed: it no longer shuffled a 7 mama prime into your deck, but a 9 mama one. This change was not visible on the card itself, but it was very clearly still a nerf that warranted a refund. Similarly, the cards generated by Ysera have drastically changed, and Blizzard is, as always, giving a refund.
Also, I'm not saying that I've seen every game you've ever played. I'm just saying that Mecha'thun cannot be activated by playing Deathwing, which is why I highly doubt you've seen it played on ladder. Nerfing Deathwing would not impact the Mecha'thun Warlock combo in any way, so it's very strange that you keep using it as an example. If you're wrong about one thing, maybe you could be wrong about other things too? No judgement, just saying. We're all wrong once in awhile.
There could never exist a Mecha'thun deck that uses Deathwing to complete the combo, because in order for Mecha'thun's deathrattle to trigger, you can have no minions on the board. If you use Deathwing to kill Mecha'thun, the deathrattle won't trigger. So I assure you, you haven't seen "plenty of DW" versions.
It is not hard to grasp your point at all, we all get what you're trying to argue. When a couple of key cards in Kingsbane Rogue was changed, it didn't warrant a refund for Kingsbane itself, because it wasn't the card being changed. We all get that, and we all agree on that.
However, that argument does not apply to old Ysera, because the card itself - not a supporting card in a deck - HAS fundamentally changed. Before, you played Ysera with the expectation of getting at least one of five different Dream cards, a card type that is uncollectable and specifically tied to her. The Dream cards ARE her effect. Now, those cards - Ysera's effect - have changed. Therefore, the card has fundamentally changed, and it warrants a dust refound. This is completely in line with Blizzard's dust refound policy and not at all inconsistent.