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Ok little buddy, run along now. Maybe you and elnur can start a clown thread together where you talk about all the times you tried to pretend you knew something about a topic, got called out on it, lost all credibility, and then tried to save face by acting as if you were trolling the whole time. I'm sure that would be very entertaining, lol
Salty bc you made a complete fool out of yourself, can't come up with a decent counterargument bc you know you have no credibility, and ultimately just got pooped on, so you call me mentally ill and say I have a troubled life, LOL. Really sad and desperate, but I guess you can't expect anything more from someone that knows they look like an idiot and needs to get some feeling of petty retribution against the person that exposed them. You brought this on yourself man, no one forced you to post an extremely unqualified opinion on a thread and then consequently attempt to defend this opinion by talking shit instead of coming up with a legitimate rebuttal. I hope you learned something from this man, I really do.
To everyone else reading this thread attempting to gain some genuine insight into the question asked by the OP, I apologize for derailing the thread somewhat with this drama. Hopefully it will return to people (hopefully somewhat qualified to actually speak on this) providing their perspectives on the original question.
Ad hominem bc you got shut down the last time you tried to post on here and now you have to resort to trolling. Classic response from idiots that know they lost an argument but don't want to admit that they made a complete fool out of themselves, lol.
You know what, fair enough. My bad for taking you seriously, clearly you're just an idiot lol.
This is kind of a pointless argument at this stage, and it kinda feels like you're trolling tbh. I've demonstrated multiple times at length why my argument is superior to yours. My experience is more relevant than yours bc I have it firsthand (meaning I've been thru the grind to get legend and you haven't) and you don't. If you can't understand this extremely simple principle then, again, there's no reason to continue this conversation. I acknowledge it may be a language issue, but what I'm saying is not difficult to understand. My logic is superior to yours bc it's based on actual empirical evidence (read: statistics), common sense, and the direct experience I just mentioned, whereas yours is based on what you think and literally nothing else. If you can't understand what I mean than I suggest you refrain from posting further until you learn better English or, if that isn't the issue, learn how to understand information.
Videos in which people make mistakes means absolutely nothing BTW, lol, and I already addressed this in a prior comment. Every single person that has ever played HS has made mistakes, legend players are no exception to that rule. This is not "evidence" that legend is easy to achieve, it's evidence that they play the game.
Ok, this is clearly a language barrier issue. You don't know what I mean when I say you took something out of context and you may not know what presumption means. To be honest I'm not entirely sure what you're attempting to say in general with this last post, but I do want to say a few things to try to address what I think you're saying. To start with, this is not personal to me. The points I've made thus far were not made to attempt to defend myself or what an achievement in a game means to me. I don't need to validate what achieving legend means to you. What I've said is an honest representation of my perspective, which I've substantiated with my own experience, knowledge, and logic. Where I take issue is that you and one or two others are attempting to speak on said achievement when you ostensibly have no experience, factual evidence, or convincing reasoning to legitimize anything you're saying. You can't say you know what it's like to get to legend bc you've never gotten to legend, you can't provide statistics to prove your argument bc they directly contradict it (if legend is so easy how is that only 0.1 percent of the player base is there?), and the best rationale you could up with to support your argument is "I saw some players in legend on streams and I didn't think they were good". In sum, you have no experience, you have no evidence, and your logic is weak and predicated solely on your opinion. I'm sorry if you can't understand everything that I'm saying, but I hope the main theme of it comes across here.
Good grief. Again, my argument, which consists of me making the point that legend requires skill, time, and dedication to achieve, does not make presumptions. Me presuming that you and elnur are lower ranked has no direct correlation to aforementioned argument, it's just an off the cuff observation that I'm making bc both of you seem like you don't know what you're talking about. As for your feeling that you would mop the floor with legend players in arena, you're certainly entitled to feel however you like. That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho. The primary problem I see with your argument is that you're not couching anything you're saying in logic or rationale or experience. You're just saying you think and feel stuff, but you can't back any of it up. Plenty of people make mistakes sure, you see it all the time at high rank. What separates the best players from very good or average players is that they make less mistakes on average: they are more consistent. Also, you took my assertion of you saying "any legend player [could be] mediocre" out of context, and it doesn't misinterpret your argument at all. You said legend players "can even be pretty mediocre". That's a direct quote. I said it's difficult to make the case that any legend players are mediocre bc they are the top 0.1 percent of all players. No contradiction or presumption there.
There are no win streaks past rank 5, hence why you need an absolute minimum of 51 percent WR to hit legend.
Otherwise you make some valid points tho. Understanding the meta and having patience are certainly conducive to getting there.
I'm sorry, how exactly am I being jealous? lol. My argument is not invalid or "presumptional", it is predicated on logic, reasoning, and experience. Several others that have actually attained legend have agreed with me throughout this thread. The only presumption I'm making is that elnur is not and never has been a high ranked player, and I provided my reasoning for that as well. I would make the same presumption for you for the exact same reason: you can't just replace skill with time, and for you to assert that makes it pretty obvious that you've never attained high rank. It's like saying if you spend a lot of time playing chess you will instantly become a GM in chess. You can't just magically hit GM by playing a lot of chess, it requires a certain level of skill. Similarly, one needs to reach a particular level with regard to skill in order to hit legend in HS. And it's pretty difficult (statistically impossible, in fact) to make an argument for any legend players being mediocre when they are the top 0.1 percent, even if you are presuming that only rank 5 and up spend the time necessary to get there. Now if you were argue that spending large amounts of time playing the game enables players to become more skilled and consequently attain high rank, then you might not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. As it is, you're in the same boat as elnur as far as I'm concerned: a lower ranked player who's never been to legend trying to act as if they know how difficult it is to reach legend.
So i guess in addition to being bad at HS, you're also bad at reading comprehension. I agree that rank 10 isn't difficult for someone who has some experience with HS; what I clearly suggested with my last comment was that you're stuck there bc (and I quote) "you suck". Legend is difficult to reach relative to any other rank, everyone who's gotten there knows this. That's how I know you've never been high rank, bc you keep trying to make it seem as if it's easy, probably bc you're frustrated with your incapability to play well and you want to believe that you're on the same level as the many people that are better than you. I am genuinely curious now to see what your rank is now tho, so by all means send me a message with your btag and I'll add you. I'm guessing no higher than rank 10 and probably rank 15-20 based on how salty and ignorant you are on this. Feel free to prove me wrong, lol
That pic is of the first time I got legend, which I am admittedly proud of. I've been higher, but the first time I got it was the most special to me. Do you disagree with what I'm saying, or are you just salty bc you don't like what I have to say / you're mad bc you suck and can't get past rank 10? lol
My friend, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that skill and luck are mutually exclusive. Like if luck exists in a game, that necessarily means that skill can't. Here's a question for you: what separates people who make it to legend with a 65 percent WR from people who need several hundred games more games to get there with a 51 percent WR? Are you going to argue that a 14 percent separation in WR is attributable to sheer luck? And that the only reason pros are pros is bc they're somehow luckier than everyone else in the game? I hate to break it to you, but even if you played HS 24/7 it's highly unlikely you would ever get to anywhere near pro level. It's not a question of time, or luck, or dust. You (and 99.99 percent of players) are just not good enough at the game, and you probably never will be. The reason for this is simple: HS is a game that requires critical thinking and decision making (unless you're going to argue that which cards you choose to play and how you use them is a matter of luck? lol). These are "skills" that one must cultivate in order to rank up. Obviously some people are more capable of said skills than others, that's the skill element of the game. Of course there are RNG elements as well; that doesn't mean that skill does not exist. In fact, maximizing the benefit one receives from good luck and minimizing the disadvantages one receives from bad luck could also be quantified as skill. Grinding legend is "hard" for a variety of reasons, one of them being that it takes perseverance to keep pushing/not tilt, especially considering the RNG aspects of the game. It also requires some level of competence with regard to knowing how to actually play the game. No one gets there on autopilot, bc you have to actually think in order to win. You would know this if you had any experience whatsoever at high rank. My advice to you would be to stop thinking so simplistically: most things in reality are not black and white, and HS is no exception.
I can all but guarantee that neither of you have ever gotten legend. Or if you have it was once a long time ago and you've completely forgotten what it takes to get there. As for the card game comment, are you actually serious or are you just trolling? If no skill or mental fortitude was required to play HS there wouldn't be any pros and everyone would be rank 5 plus. Frankly it's a bit mind-boggling to me that I even have to make this argument
Gotcha, totally fair. I think that's utterly unhelpful as well, provides no insight into how to actually get there. It's like telling someone that bodybuilders have 5 percent body fat when they ask how to get into bodybuilding: you have the end result but have no idea how to achieve it. The only thing to really take away from the 51 percent winrate observation is that you don't need to be a winstreak god to hit legend. Using a meta deck, knowing your matchups and what to mulligan for, maintaining a positive attitude and mental sharpness, taking a smart approach towards progress, knowing when you're tilting and consequently when to quit, these are all important aspects of moving up the ladder. If one is unwilling to commit to taking these actions for whatever reason, they are less likely to be successful. Couldn't agree more tho, empty platitudes about statistics don't do anything for people trying to learn and advance up the ranks.
I'm not sure what you're expecting to hear. If you say you don't have the time, you don't have the time. No amount of advice that pertains to achieving a rank in HS is going to help you with that (I guess play aggro instead of control bc the matches go quicker, but then your WR is typically lower so that's a crapshoot as well). What makes the advice "good" in this context is that it is conducive to getting something done in HS. If you need help with time management then this is clearly the wrong place. I thought it was self evident that grinding to legend requires you to take time out of your day to do so, that's why I didn't go into detail about how many matches it might take. With that said you can still easily play hundreds of matches over the course of an entire month while holding down a job, plenty of people have done it.