Start by defining "awful for new players." You've been throwing that around for several pages, using it as fact and the basis of your argument. "Awful" is subjective. You're going to have to set up factual, objective parameters or else your whole argument is merely a glorified opinion.
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WTF does having a job got to do with it. Paying a reasonable amount for a game is 1 thing. Dropping hundreds or thousands on day 1 just to try and catch up is another.
No you won't be getting 50% win rate with a small collection. Not even close.
You guys don't even know how to make a cohesive argument. All I see is the same selfish reasons.
A whale needs some bait to even tempt them into spending money. Even casuals spending $10 - 20 per expansion need an incentive. I don't get this forever free bullshit.
Even with the entire classic set free you still have a massive uphill climb to catch up to long term players that will require money.
The fact is this game is 1 of the worst F2P games out there and 100% P2W will put the majority of people off even trying the game.
Name your card restriction and I will ladder Wild with it next month to see just how hard it is for new players.
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Do you think this game is good for new players? Would you recommend this game to friends.
Great, let's have a decent discussion without insulting people. I'm game! Do I think Hearthstone is good for new players? Well, we have to define what the parameters of "good" are, since otherwise that is merely an subjective opinion and just because I think it is doesn't necessarily mean someone else will. Just for argument's sake, let's define that as, "Can a player who's never played a competitive card game before download Hearthstone and expect to hit Rank 15 after learning the mechanics and basic strategy without spending more than the cost of an average game (say $40)?" Yes, I do think so. There are plenty of resources on strategy, how to optimize gold farming for packs, what the best decks are for those on a gold/real money budget, and budget versions of top decks. And really, you don't need a legend-viable deck to hit Rank 15. You just need some time and dedication to learning the game. Also there are countless streams and youtube channels of top players that you can watch in order to understand their thought process and apply it to your own games.
Would I recommend this game to new players? Sure, I'd recommend it to certain people. I would not recommend it to someone who just wants a mobile game they can play quickly and easily without any investment of time or money.
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If you are answering yes to either then you know nothing about good game balance or development of a good F2P experience.
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Yes and that learning experience is hard enough without having a tiny card pool and the inability to make any half decent deck. Half of the tavern brawls are impossible too unless someone let's them win.
Why invest any time in the game when the PvP experience for new players is terrible. That is not a matter of opinion. It's fact. There are so many other good F2P games that allow you to compete right from the start on a somewhat level playing field. It's only your game knowledge and mechanical skills that need to improve.
Hearthstone in it's current form is 1 of the worst pay 2 win games out there for new players and you need to pay a lot.... What's the incentive outside of gambling addiction?
Tell you what, I'll ladder in Wild next month (since I'll only be reset to rank 8 in Standard) and I'll restrict my decks to whatever you think a new player would have access to. Let's see how hard it is for new players.
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Do you think this game is good for new players? Would you recommend this game to friends.
Great, let's have a decent discussion without insulting people. I'm game! Do I think Hearthstone is good for new players? Well, we have to define what the parameters of "good" are, since otherwise that is merely an subjective opinion and just because I think it is doesn't necessarily mean someone else will. Just for argument's sake, let's define that as, "Can a player who's never played a competitive card game before download Hearthstone and expect to hit Rank 15 after learning the mechanics and basic strategy without spending more than the cost of an average game (say $40)?" Yes, I do think so. There are plenty of resources on strategy, how to optimize gold farming for packs, what the best decks are for those on a gold/real money budget, and budget versions of top decks. And really, you don't need a legend-viable deck to hit Rank 15. You just need some time and dedication to learning the game. Also there are countless streams and youtube channels of top players that you can watch in order to understand their thought process and apply it to your own games.
Would I recommend this game to new players? Sure, I'd recommend it to certain people. I would not recommend it to someone who just wants a mobile game they can play quickly and easily without any investment of time or money.
Glad we could have this chat without insulting each other!
Just saying, "I know I'm right and anyone who disagrees is a selfish twat" is probably not the best stance to take, if you'd like to have a good discussion.
Just saying, calling people who have spent a lot of money on Hearthstone "degenerate gamblers" is not a good stance to take.
Just saying, calling people who disagree with you "thick headed" is...not a good stance to take.
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I'll take the other side, why do YOU care so much about HS attracting new players? And that is based on the assumption that they are currently struggling to a) attract new players, and b) generate enough revenue from existing players to keep HS going.
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You said your account has value. There are two things wrong with that statement. #1 it's not your account, and #2 it doesn't have value as it is against the TOS to transfer an account.
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Why do people vote no? (I am just curious, is it because you already bought it and finished it, and don't want any new players?
i voted no bc it would devalue my collection significantly.
Your collection has zero value at all. You cant sell them and you cant trade them. You have the cards or you dont have them. If other players have classic cards or not doesnt devalue anything.
OK, i give up. The Hearthstone-community is obviously so toxic that they would prefer see this game dying instead of make it playable for new players. And yes: it is quite unplayable if you start today and dont want to invest a shit load of money
That is demonstrably false. A quick google search determined that accounts similar to mine has prices around of 500€ or even more than that, which I'm almost positive is more than zero. I'm not going to sell it, but the value is certainly real.
Not wanting to see that price reduced to zero seems like a reasonable argument for being against the suggestion in the OP.
You know this is against the Blizzard TOS and both you and the person you could potentially sell an account to are at risk of having the account terminated, right? You don't own your account, Blizzard does. Read the TOS.
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MtG is stupidly expensive to get into as a new player, surely that means its on the way out and they should be giving cards away for free to remedy this.
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What an awful idea. New players should just save for and craft Whizbang if they feel like they can't play enough decks.
Card games are expensive, deal with it. People complain that they can't get into a game because they'd have spend money? BOO FUCKING HOO, that's how things work. Goodbye, go play TF2 if you don't want to spend money on a game.
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Start by defining "awful for new players." You've been throwing that around for several pages, using it as fact and the basis of your argument. "Awful" is subjective. You're going to have to set up factual, objective parameters or else your whole argument is merely a glorified opinion.
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Name your card restriction and I will ladder Wild with it next month to see just how hard it is for new players.
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Tell you what, I'll ladder in Wild next month (since I'll only be reset to rank 8 in Standard) and I'll restrict my decks to whatever you think a new player would have access to. Let's see how hard it is for new players.
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Great, let's have a decent discussion without insulting people. I'm game! Do I think Hearthstone is good for new players? Well, we have to define what the parameters of "good" are, since otherwise that is merely an subjective opinion and just because I think it is doesn't necessarily mean someone else will. Just for argument's sake, let's define that as, "Can a player who's never played a competitive card game before download Hearthstone and expect to hit Rank 15 after learning the mechanics and basic strategy without spending more than the cost of an average game (say $40)?" Yes, I do think so. There are plenty of resources on strategy, how to optimize gold farming for packs, what the best decks are for those on a gold/real money budget, and budget versions of top decks. And really, you don't need a legend-viable deck to hit Rank 15. You just need some time and dedication to learning the game. Also there are countless streams and youtube channels of top players that you can watch in order to understand their thought process and apply it to your own games.
Would I recommend this game to new players? Sure, I'd recommend it to certain people. I would not recommend it to someone who just wants a mobile game they can play quickly and easily without any investment of time or money.
Glad we could have this chat without insulting each other!
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Just saying, "I know I'm right and anyone who disagrees is a selfish twat" is probably not the best stance to take, if you'd like to have a good discussion.
Just saying, calling people who have spent a lot of money on Hearthstone "degenerate gamblers" is not a good stance to take.
Just saying, calling people who disagree with you "thick headed" is...not a good stance to take.
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I'll take the other side, why do YOU care so much about HS attracting new players? And that is based on the assumption that they are currently struggling to a) attract new players, and b) generate enough revenue from existing players to keep HS going.
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If the Classic set becomes free, then the Classic set should not be part of Standard.
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You said your account has value. There are two things wrong with that statement. #1 it's not your account, and #2 it doesn't have value as it is against the TOS to transfer an account.
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You know this is against the Blizzard TOS and both you and the person you could potentially sell an account to are at risk of having the account terminated, right? You don't own your account, Blizzard does. Read the TOS.
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MtG is stupidly expensive to get into as a new player, surely that means its on the way out and they should be giving cards away for free to remedy this.
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What an awful idea. New players should just save for and craft Whizbang if they feel like they can't play enough decks.
Card games are expensive, deal with it. People complain that they can't get into a game because they'd have spend money? BOO FUCKING HOO, that's how things work. Goodbye, go play TF2 if you don't want to spend money on a game.
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