So basically, new players will get a head start with my money. Yeah perfect idea. Ingenius.
That is exactly the attitude that will prevent this from happening.
You know, the only reason f2p players are able to play Hearthstone at all is because others are willing to spend money on it.
The definition of greed is "a selfish and excessive desire for more of something than is needed." It's the free players who are always asking for more. Remember, none of this is needed, because video games are a luxury, not a necessity.
Paying players don't tend to worry about what Blizzard is or is not giving away. Paying players are happy and appreciative when something is free, and they pay when it's not free (instead of making ridiculous demands). If it's not worth paying for, people don't buy it, and Blizzard adjusts from there.
Maybe that's worth remembering as you try to dictate Blizzard's business model.
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That number is including cards that got HoF so it's actually lower. The majority of those cards are unplayable and you know it. This is also the very start of a new rotation. That % will drop when we get a 5th and 6th expansion for this year. Most likely more cards will be HoF over time as well.
If so many of the Classic cards are unplayable, why do you want them so badly? How is it doing anyone any good to give them away if they are garbage? And we all know they have even more value if they go to the Hall of Fame, thanks to the dust refund, so I'm not sure why you would bring that up. ALSO, "the very start of a new rotation" encompasses one-third of every calendar year. You can't just write that off like it's nothing.
No, you do not get to argue that Classic should be free because it's worthless.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
You had time to build up that collection when there were less card's along with all the free cards, packs and quests. It is harder than ever to do.
This is 100 percent false. It is actually EASIER than ever.
They have significantly increased the average gold rewards per quest.
The requirements for quest completion are now absolutely trivial compared to what they were before.
Expansions were coming out all the time back then, too. You HAD to pay cash or gold for Naxx, and those cards were essential for Ranked play. GvG was out in December of the first year, long before it would have been possible for any free player to complete the Classic set.
I'm aware that they market Hearthstone as free to play. Thanks for the snide google. But I think every reasonable person is aware that that's just marketing. It's not Blizzard announcing themselves as a charity. They do hope and expect that you'll give them money at some point. It is, in fact, their only reason for existing as a company.
Blizzard's current business model is to convert free players to paying players by making them want more cards faster than a free player can accumulate them. The psychological pressure to do so is much stronger than the desire to buy cosmetic items.
You already get 14.6 percent of the game for free, in the form of Basic cards. Classic represents another 26.3 percent. You are asking them to give away 41 percent of the Standard game without charge. That's ridiculous.
WTF does having a job got to do with it. Paying a reasonable amount for a game is 1 thing. Dropping hundreds or thousands on day 1 just to try and catch up is another.
No you won't be getting 50% win rate with a small collection. Not even close.
You guys don't even know how to make a cohesive argument. All I see is the same selfish reasons.
A whale needs some bait to even tempt them into spending money. Even casuals spending $10 - 20 per expansion need an incentive. I don't get this forever free bullshit.
Even with the entire classic set free you still have a massive uphill climb to catch up to long term players that will require money.
The fact is this game is 1 of the worst F2P games out there and 100% P2W will put the majority of people off even trying the game.
This is not a free-to-play game. It is a free-to-TRY game, just like any game with a demo.
The business model works fine. Yes, there was a dip in sales last year, but that's mainly due to bad design decisions from the year before. Team 5 is making much better decisions lately, and it has brought people back to the game.
As for this "selfish" accusation you keep tossing around, I already said I would be perfectly happy if Blizzard found a way to make a free Classic plan work. But I don't believe they can. It does not make financial sense.
It is not selfish for me to want Hearthstone to succeed. It is selfish for free and low-budget players to expect so much free stuff that Activision/Blizzard start to wonder if further Hearthstone development is worth the trouble.
But honestly? Everyone who already owns most of the Classic set either spent a lot of money or a lot of time collecting those cards. Until those cards were collected, the game was a struggle for each and every player. That's just how it is in the beginning. I was nowhere near having a full Classic set for like three years, but somehow i managed to enjoy the game.
The secret to enjoying Hearthstone (or any other hobby, or life in general) is to stop worrying about what other people have that you do not. If you don't like what you can do with what you have, stop playing. If Blizzard misses you, maybe they'll do something about it. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
There are still thousands of cards to collect even with the entire classic set free. There is no "value" to the cards. They can not be traded.
Still nobody in the no camp with a good argument.
Would you recommend this game to any of your friends? You are a pretty lousy friend if you answer yes.
First, my friends have jobs, so it's not a big deal to pay for the games we play.
But also, whenever I recommend Hearthstone, I make it clear that new players should not expect to do well in Ranked for the first year unless they spend a big chunk of change. i explain about the MMR in Casual, and how all Casual players settle into a 50 percent win rate, no matter how big or small their collection is.
Once a new player understands and accepts that, it's a lot easier to stop being jealous of the people who have more cards.
If Blizzard ever comes up with a way to make the same amount of money by selling less stuff, it's fine by me. But the ideas I've seen here aren't going to do that. As a whale, I promise you I would never spend as much on cardbacks and hero portraits as I do on cards. Never in a million years,
And attracting more forever-free players is a BAD thing, not a good one.
It's depressing to see how many people vote "No" when there hardly is a rational reason to do so. Unless you literally plan to sell your account - which is against the HS TOS - there is no downside to it at all; people just seem unable to not begrudge others for getting something for free.
There is a reason. Without revenue, Blizzard cannot continue to make Hearthstone. I happen to like Hearthstone, so I'd prefer that Blizzard continue to make money.
What is irrational is all the free players who think Blizzard should make it easy to be a permanent free player.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
A much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much better idea would be to offer newbies the full set of Classic cards for a fixed price, maybe $150 or so.
It needs to be slightly cheaper than if you were to try to collect them by opening packs, but not so cheap that it's a slap in the face to those of use who already spent time and money getting the full set.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
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You know, the only reason f2p players are able to play Hearthstone at all is because others are willing to spend money on it.
The definition of greed is "a selfish and excessive desire for more of something than is needed." It's the free players who are always asking for more. Remember, none of this is needed, because video games are a luxury, not a necessity.
Paying players don't tend to worry about what Blizzard is or is not giving away. Paying players are happy and appreciative when something is free, and they pay when it's not free (instead of making ridiculous demands). If it's not worth paying for, people don't buy it, and Blizzard adjusts from there.
Maybe that's worth remembering as you try to dictate Blizzard's business model.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
If so many of the Classic cards are unplayable, why do you want them so badly? How is it doing anyone any good to give them away if they are garbage? And we all know they have even more value if they go to the Hall of Fame, thanks to the dust refund, so I'm not sure why you would bring that up. ALSO, "the very start of a new rotation" encompasses one-third of every calendar year. You can't just write that off like it's nothing.
No, you do not get to argue that Classic should be free because it's worthless.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
This is 100 percent false. It is actually EASIER than ever.
I'm aware that they market Hearthstone as free to play. Thanks for the snide google. But I think every reasonable person is aware that that's just marketing. It's not Blizzard announcing themselves as a charity. They do hope and expect that you'll give them money at some point. It is, in fact, their only reason for existing as a company.
Blizzard's current business model is to convert free players to paying players by making them want more cards faster than a free player can accumulate them. The psychological pressure to do so is much stronger than the desire to buy cosmetic items.
You already get 14.6 percent of the game for free, in the form of Basic cards. Classic represents another 26.3 percent. You are asking them to give away 41 percent of the Standard game without charge. That's ridiculous.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
This is not a free-to-play game. It is a free-to-TRY game, just like any game with a demo.
The business model works fine. Yes, there was a dip in sales last year, but that's mainly due to bad design decisions from the year before. Team 5 is making much better decisions lately, and it has brought people back to the game.
As for this "selfish" accusation you keep tossing around, I already said I would be perfectly happy if Blizzard found a way to make a free Classic plan work. But I don't believe they can. It does not make financial sense.
It is not selfish for me to want Hearthstone to succeed. It is selfish for free and low-budget players to expect so much free stuff that Activision/Blizzard start to wonder if further Hearthstone development is worth the trouble.
But honestly? Everyone who already owns most of the Classic set either spent a lot of money or a lot of time collecting those cards. Until those cards were collected, the game was a struggle for each and every player. That's just how it is in the beginning. I was nowhere near having a full Classic set for like three years, but somehow i managed to enjoy the game.
The secret to enjoying Hearthstone (or any other hobby, or life in general) is to stop worrying about what other people have that you do not. If you don't like what you can do with what you have, stop playing. If Blizzard misses you, maybe they'll do something about it. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
First, my friends have jobs, so it's not a big deal to pay for the games we play.
But also, whenever I recommend Hearthstone, I make it clear that new players should not expect to do well in Ranked for the first year unless they spend a big chunk of change. i explain about the MMR in Casual, and how all Casual players settle into a 50 percent win rate, no matter how big or small their collection is.
Once a new player understands and accepts that, it's a lot easier to stop being jealous of the people who have more cards.
If Blizzard ever comes up with a way to make the same amount of money by selling less stuff, it's fine by me. But the ideas I've seen here aren't going to do that. As a whale, I promise you I would never spend as much on cardbacks and hero portraits as I do on cards. Never in a million years,
And attracting more forever-free players is a BAD thing, not a good one.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
There is a reason. Without revenue, Blizzard cannot continue to make Hearthstone. I happen to like Hearthstone, so I'd prefer that Blizzard continue to make money.
What is irrational is all the free players who think Blizzard should make it easy to be a permanent free player.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
A much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much better idea would be to offer newbies the full set of Classic cards for a fixed price, maybe $150 or so.
It needs to be slightly cheaper than if you were to try to collect them by opening packs, but not so cheap that it's a slap in the face to those of use who already spent time and money getting the full set.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland